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{CC}StealthBlue
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Danglars
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On November 15 2017 11:24 farvacola wrote: What you mean to say is that you genuinely don't understand how statutes like EMTALA dissolve (or at least dramatically complicate) the distinction between care and insurance on the basis that treatment comes first when medical events like preventable death are at hand. The lack of the very thing you're pointing at is key to understanding why healthcare makes for a terrible market good. Imminent death making up much of which insurance has moved away from in recent times. If that was your primary reason for enrolling in health insurance, Obamacare made your life fucking hard. | ||
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Plansix
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NewSunshine
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On November 15 2017 11:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/MikeGrunwald/status/930572687537266689 Rules are meaningless if the people who write them can't follow them. Good to know that when push comes to shove, all their posturing is just that, and that they're still perfectly happy fucking people over. | ||
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Danglars
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Nebuchad
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Nevuk
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Danglars
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On November 15 2017 12:50 Nevuk wrote: Why don't we know? It is beyond weird there's no info to the public about it. You've got it. I'm wondering why somebody attacked a sitting Senator so mightily that he has five fractured ribs. Then you recall we don't have an investigative conclusion to why someone rented a room on the 32nd floor of a Las Vegas casino and opened fire on a crowd below. It leaves you scratching your heads. Beyond the trollish injection of conspiracy theories. | ||
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Nyxisto
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Danglars
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On November 15 2017 13:36 Nyxisto wrote: two crazy people in the United Sates did something crazy roughly at the same time, it's been known to happen You know mass murders and attacking sitting senators. Let's just throw up our hands or shrug. That's the Islamic terrorism way after all, and we've had ton of practice. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
You might say he was a member of a well regulated militia. | ||
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Nevuk
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On November 15 2017 13:24 Danglars wrote: You've got it. I'm wondering why somebody attacked a sitting Senator so mightily that he has five fractured ribs. Then you recall we don't have an investigative conclusion to why someone rented a room on the 32nd floor of a Las Vegas casino and opened fire on a crowd below. It leaves you scratching your heads. Beyond the trollish injection of conspiracy theories. The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out. Vegas thing is still odd. There had to be a motive, even if it was just "I hate country music" | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 15 2017 13:52 Nyxisto wrote: the US has a mass shooting pretty much every week, sooner or later that's bound to coincide with a senator being attacked. you're hunting for patterns in the noise. I don't think there has been any evidence that should lead anybody to believe that the two incidents are connected or that there is anything especially mysterious about either one. I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it. The US does not have a mass shooting every week. Senators being attacked is rare. Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
And we have mass shootings pretty frequently, I'd be exceedingly surprised if someone beating up a senator (note: not shooting him) around the same time as a mass shooting was in any way, shape or form related. And I'm not even sure what the mystification comment is referring to, the particular coincidence with the timing of the Paul attack and the NV shooter, or mass shootings in general, but I dunno because throwing our hands up in mystification at mass shootings seems like the thing we do here in the US, and throwing out hands up in mystification at the timing of someone beating up a senator and a mass shooting also seems perfectly logical, unless I'm missing something about why they'd be related? | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote: The US does not have a mass shooting every week. Senators being attacked is rare. Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers. What's the definition of mass shooting you're using? A quick Google search indicated to me that the US has mass shootings considerably more frequently than once a week, which doesn't seem like it supports the argument you're trying to make. It is true that mass shootings of the scale of the Las Vegas shooting are unusual. With respect to the Rand Paul thing, what is dissatisfactory to you about this explanation? On November 15 2017 14:01 Nevuk wrote:... The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out. ... Also, to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the two events might be related, or do you just want answers about them individually? | ||
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Doodsmack
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KwarK
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On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote: The US does not have a mass shooting every week. Senators being attacked is rare. Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers. There were actually two mass shootings in Texas the Sunday before last, the church one just drew all the news away from the one on the interstate. Mass shootings really are just that common in the US. Some days the media has to decide which mass shooting to cover because it's not practical to cover all of them. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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GreenHorizons
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They're rich assholes that share a yard border. One of them was probably dumping yard waste onto the others property or not picking up leaves or some dumb shit. They never talked about it, just did petty shit back and forth, then one day confronted each other. Then he tackles him and Rand Paul's aging frail body reacted as you would expect from someone like Rand (who was probably shit talking expecting his being a Senator to protect him) and broke a bunch of ribs. The vegas shooter definitely leaves a lot of questions unanswered. I'm not that surprised we don't know much yet but the longer we go the stranger it seems. There are a lot of mass shootings in the US but I'm pretty sure most of them have some sort of explanation. It doesn't always make sense, but there's something. Having nothing, not even "He had been talking about not getting the same thrill from gambling" or something. Seems we are supposed to believe no one has ever seen this guy get upset about anything that could in any way possibly be linked to why he did what he did. Seems odd. | ||
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