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On November 15 2017 23:49 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 23:44 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 23:19 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 14:23 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 13:52 Nyxisto wrote:
the US has a mass shooting pretty much every week, sooner or later that's bound to coincide with a senator being attacked. you're hunting for patterns in the noise. I don't think there has been any evidence that should lead anybody to believe that the two incidents are connected or that there is anything especially mysterious about either one.
I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it. The US does not have a mass shooting every week. Senators being attacked is rare. Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers. What's the definition of mass shooting you're using? A quick Google search indicated to me that the US has mass shootings considerably more frequently than once a week, which doesn't seem like it supports the argument you're trying to make. It is true that mass shootings of the scale of the Las Vegas shooting are unusual. With respect to the Rand Paul thing, what is dissatisfactory to you about this explanation? People do not walk into churches and kill 26 people or rent a hotel room and shoot 58 people every week. I understand it's tough to systematize a definition, but gang violence in Democratic strongholds does not make national headlines. Quibbling at this point when my point was clear maybe be your thing, but it isn't mine. On November 15 2017 14:01 Nevuk wrote:...
The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out.
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Also, to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the two events might be related, or do you just want answers about them individually? Both, thanks. I think you missed the middle question, to wit: what is suspicious to you about Rand Paul getting into a altercation with his neighbour about lawn maintenance or whatever? He wouldn't have tweeted out this article conflicting reports. We still don't know about either.
i mean these politicians DO have personal lives. or are you thinking Rand Paul is an interesting enough person to be caught up i some kind of conspiracy? this is so odd.
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On November 15 2017 23:44 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 16:11 GreenHorizons wrote:But Jim Skaggs, who developed the gate-guarded community in Bowling Green where Paul and Boucher both live, suggests that there was longstanding tension between Paul and many of his neighbors, including Boucher, due to the Senator's inability to compromise on such matters as lawn-trimmings, overhanging tree branches, and the community's extensive Homeowners Association guidelines, which minutely prescribe how people in the community must conduct themselves.
Paul is a legendary property-rights ideologue, named for Ayn Rand. Mysteriously, he decided to buy a home in a community where the other property owners subjected buyers to contracts that bound their behavior and then decided that the sanctity of that contract could be unilaterally overriden, insisting on personal variances.
Paul is said to have had a history of blowing his lawn trimmings onto his neighbors' property. ROFL I hadn't read this but that's exactly like I imagined it. when a libertarian and HOA (petty governance) collide... Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 23:15 Plansix wrote:
Apparently the letter from 50 something pastors was forged, because a lot of the pastors are saying they never signed it. Moore’s entire campaign is dancing dangerously close to fraud. i read that the endorsements were from some other thing that happen prior to the creeper news coming out. i guess he figured that if they endorsed him prior they'd be okay now too, right? no expiration dates on endorsements.
From my understanding, the initial letter of support did not include language about the creeper allegations and the letter being circulated does. It looks like they tacked a couple paragraphs on the end and keep the signature page.
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On November 15 2017 23:44 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 16:11 GreenHorizons wrote:But Jim Skaggs, who developed the gate-guarded community in Bowling Green where Paul and Boucher both live, suggests that there was longstanding tension between Paul and many of his neighbors, including Boucher, due to the Senator's inability to compromise on such matters as lawn-trimmings, overhanging tree branches, and the community's extensive Homeowners Association guidelines, which minutely prescribe how people in the community must conduct themselves.
Paul is a legendary property-rights ideologue, named for Ayn Rand. Mysteriously, he decided to buy a home in a community where the other property owners subjected buyers to contracts that bound their behavior and then decided that the sanctity of that contract could be unilaterally overriden, insisting on personal variances.
Paul is said to have had a history of blowing his lawn trimmings onto his neighbors' property. ROFL I hadn't read this but that's exactly like I imagined it. when a libertarian and HOA (petty governance) collide... Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 23:15 Plansix wrote:
Apparently the letter from 50 something pastors was forged, because a lot of the pastors are saying they never signed it. Moore’s entire campaign is dancing dangerously close to fraud. i read that the endorsements were from some other thing that happen prior to the creeper news coming out. i guess he figured that if they endorsed him prior they'd be okay now too, right? no expiration dates on endorsements.
Moore also added a paragraph to the endorsement that wasn't in the primary version, I think.
On November 15 2017 23:49 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 23:44 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 23:19 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 14:23 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 13:52 Nyxisto wrote:
the US has a mass shooting pretty much every week, sooner or later that's bound to coincide with a senator being attacked. you're hunting for patterns in the noise. I don't think there has been any evidence that should lead anybody to believe that the two incidents are connected or that there is anything especially mysterious about either one.
I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it. The US does not have a mass shooting every week. Senators being attacked is rare. Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers. What's the definition of mass shooting you're using? A quick Google search indicated to me that the US has mass shootings considerably more frequently than once a week, which doesn't seem like it supports the argument you're trying to make. It is true that mass shootings of the scale of the Las Vegas shooting are unusual. With respect to the Rand Paul thing, what is dissatisfactory to you about this explanation? People do not walk into churches and kill 26 people or rent a hotel room and shoot 58 people every week. I understand it's tough to systematize a definition, but gang violence in Democratic strongholds does not make national headlines. Quibbling at this point when my point was clear maybe be your thing, but it isn't mine. On November 15 2017 14:01 Nevuk wrote:...
The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out.
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Also, to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the two events might be related, or do you just want answers about them individually? Both, thanks. I think you missed the middle question, to wit: what is suspicious to you about Rand Paul getting into a altercation with his neighbour about lawn maintenance or whatever? He wouldn't have tweeted out this article conflicting reports. https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/928409155228065793We still don't know about either.
I like that he tweeted an article where there's a grammatical mistake in the leader and the Washington Examiner still hasn't updated it, despite embedding his tweet linking the article in another of their articles.
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On November 15 2017 23:49 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 23:44 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 23:19 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 14:23 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 13:52 Nyxisto wrote:
the US has a mass shooting pretty much every week, sooner or later that's bound to coincide with a senator being attacked. you're hunting for patterns in the noise. I don't think there has been any evidence that should lead anybody to believe that the two incidents are connected or that there is anything especially mysterious about either one.
I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it. The US does not have a mass shooting every week. Senators being attacked is rare. Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers. What's the definition of mass shooting you're using? A quick Google search indicated to me that the US has mass shootings considerably more frequently than once a week, which doesn't seem like it supports the argument you're trying to make. It is true that mass shootings of the scale of the Las Vegas shooting are unusual. With respect to the Rand Paul thing, what is dissatisfactory to you about this explanation? People do not walk into churches and kill 26 people or rent a hotel room and shoot 58 people every week. I understand it's tough to systematize a definition, but gang violence in Democratic strongholds does not make national headlines. Quibbling at this point when my point was clear maybe be your thing, but it isn't mine. On November 15 2017 14:01 Nevuk wrote:...
The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out.
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Also, to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the two events might be related, or do you just want answers about them individually? Both, thanks. I think you missed the middle question, to wit: what is suspicious to you about Rand Paul getting into a altercation with his neighbour about lawn maintenance or whatever? He wouldn't have tweeted out this article conflicting reports. ... We still don't know about either.
Okay then. No matter whether he got into an altercation with his neighbour because of lawn maintenance or dislike of Trump or both, what makes you think there's any possible connection with the Las Vegas shooting?
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Both houses of Congress are full of old boys club shit that isn't well known aside from when individual instances snowball into something greater. It'll be interesting to see if that changes from now on.
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Why name names when you can just drop that bomb and let the army of reporters dig the information up on their own?
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On November 16 2017 00:26 farvacola wrote:
Both houses of Congress are full of old boys club shit that isn't well known aside from when individual instances snowball into something greater. It'll be interesting to see if that changes from now on.
Ha!
You think that no Hollywood executive has sexually harassed someone since Weinstein got exposed?
These people don't learn. And there will always be new people in power ready to abuse their position to satisfy their urges, and others willing to cover for them.
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When people either don't know or don't talk about something that deserves far more scrutiny, getting them to know or talk about it is pretty much always step one in terms of trying to change it. There's nothing utopic about it, boring nihilism notwithstanding.
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On November 15 2017 23:53 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 23:49 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 23:44 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 23:19 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 14:23 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 13:52 Nyxisto wrote:
the US has a mass shooting pretty much every week, sooner or later that's bound to coincide with a senator being attacked. you're hunting for patterns in the noise. I don't think there has been any evidence that should lead anybody to believe that the two incidents are connected or that there is anything especially mysterious about either one.
I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it. The US does not have a mass shooting every week. Senators being attacked is rare. Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers. What's the definition of mass shooting you're using? A quick Google search indicated to me that the US has mass shootings considerably more frequently than once a week, which doesn't seem like it supports the argument you're trying to make. It is true that mass shootings of the scale of the Las Vegas shooting are unusual. With respect to the Rand Paul thing, what is dissatisfactory to you about this explanation? People do not walk into churches and kill 26 people or rent a hotel room and shoot 58 people every week. I understand it's tough to systematize a definition, but gang violence in Democratic strongholds does not make national headlines. Quibbling at this point when my point was clear maybe be your thing, but it isn't mine. On November 15 2017 14:01 Nevuk wrote:...
The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out.
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Also, to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the two events might be related, or do you just want answers about them individually? Both, thanks. I think you missed the middle question, to wit: what is suspicious to you about Rand Paul getting into a altercation with his neighbour about lawn maintenance or whatever? He wouldn't have tweeted out this article conflicting reports. ... We still don't know about either. Okay then. No matter whether he got into an altercation with his neighbour because of lawn maintenance or dislike of Trump or both, what makes you think there's any possible connection with the Las Vegas shooting?
See: Original post. Tweet response to tweet.
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On November 16 2017 00:37 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2017 23:53 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 23:49 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 23:44 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 23:19 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 14:23 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 13:52 Nyxisto wrote:
the US has a mass shooting pretty much every week, sooner or later that's bound to coincide with a senator being attacked. you're hunting for patterns in the noise. I don't think there has been any evidence that should lead anybody to believe that the two incidents are connected or that there is anything especially mysterious about either one.
I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it. The US does not have a mass shooting every week. Senators being attacked is rare. Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers. What's the definition of mass shooting you're using? A quick Google search indicated to me that the US has mass shootings considerably more frequently than once a week, which doesn't seem like it supports the argument you're trying to make. It is true that mass shootings of the scale of the Las Vegas shooting are unusual. With respect to the Rand Paul thing, what is dissatisfactory to you about this explanation? People do not walk into churches and kill 26 people or rent a hotel room and shoot 58 people every week. I understand it's tough to systematize a definition, but gang violence in Democratic strongholds does not make national headlines. Quibbling at this point when my point was clear maybe be your thing, but it isn't mine. On November 15 2017 14:01 Nevuk wrote:...
The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out.
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Also, to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the two events might be related, or do you just want answers about them individually? Both, thanks. I think you missed the middle question, to wit: what is suspicious to you about Rand Paul getting into a altercation with his neighbour about lawn maintenance or whatever? He wouldn't have tweeted out this article conflicting reports. ... We still don't know about either. Okay then. No matter whether he got into an altercation with his neighbour because of lawn maintenance or dislike of Trump or both, what makes you think there's any possible connection with the Las Vegas shooting? See: Original post. Tweet response to tweet.
So they're connected by whataboutism?
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On November 16 2017 01:05 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2017 00:37 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 23:53 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 23:49 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 23:44 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 23:19 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 14:23 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 13:52 Nyxisto wrote:
the US has a mass shooting pretty much every week, sooner or later that's bound to coincide with a senator being attacked. you're hunting for patterns in the noise. I don't think there has been any evidence that should lead anybody to believe that the two incidents are connected or that there is anything especially mysterious about either one.
I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it. The US does not have a mass shooting every week. Senators being attacked is rare. Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers. What's the definition of mass shooting you're using? A quick Google search indicated to me that the US has mass shootings considerably more frequently than once a week, which doesn't seem like it supports the argument you're trying to make. It is true that mass shootings of the scale of the Las Vegas shooting are unusual. With respect to the Rand Paul thing, what is dissatisfactory to you about this explanation? People do not walk into churches and kill 26 people or rent a hotel room and shoot 58 people every week. I understand it's tough to systematize a definition, but gang violence in Democratic strongholds does not make national headlines. Quibbling at this point when my point was clear maybe be your thing, but it isn't mine. On November 15 2017 14:01 Nevuk wrote:...
The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out.
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Also, to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the two events might be related, or do you just want answers about them individually? Both, thanks. I think you missed the middle question, to wit: what is suspicious to you about Rand Paul getting into a altercation with his neighbour about lawn maintenance or whatever? He wouldn't have tweeted out this article conflicting reports. ... We still don't know about either. Okay then. No matter whether he got into an altercation with his neighbour because of lawn maintenance or dislike of Trump or both, what makes you think there's any possible connection with the Las Vegas shooting? See: Original post. Tweet response to tweet. So they're connected by whataboutism?
They arnt connected and he doesn't say they're connected you clearly didnt read anything and just want to repeat what you heard on oliver.
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On November 16 2017 01:18 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2017 01:05 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 16 2017 00:37 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 23:53 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 23:49 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 23:44 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 23:19 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 14:23 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 13:52 Nyxisto wrote:
the US has a mass shooting pretty much every week, sooner or later that's bound to coincide with a senator being attacked. you're hunting for patterns in the noise. I don't think there has been any evidence that should lead anybody to believe that the two incidents are connected or that there is anything especially mysterious about either one.
I don't know what this has to do with Islamic terrorism or not doing anything about it. There's plenty of things that can be done about it, there's just nothing spooky about it. The US does not have a mass shooting every week. Senators being attacked is rare. Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers. What's the definition of mass shooting you're using? A quick Google search indicated to me that the US has mass shootings considerably more frequently than once a week, which doesn't seem like it supports the argument you're trying to make. It is true that mass shootings of the scale of the Las Vegas shooting are unusual. With respect to the Rand Paul thing, what is dissatisfactory to you about this explanation? People do not walk into churches and kill 26 people or rent a hotel room and shoot 58 people every week. I understand it's tough to systematize a definition, but gang violence in Democratic strongholds does not make national headlines. Quibbling at this point when my point was clear maybe be your thing, but it isn't mine. On November 15 2017 14:01 Nevuk wrote:...
The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out.
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Also, to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the two events might be related, or do you just want answers about them individually? Both, thanks. I think you missed the middle question, to wit: what is suspicious to you about Rand Paul getting into a altercation with his neighbour about lawn maintenance or whatever? He wouldn't have tweeted out this article conflicting reports. ... We still don't know about either. Okay then. No matter whether he got into an altercation with his neighbour because of lawn maintenance or dislike of Trump or both, what makes you think there's any possible connection with the Las Vegas shooting? See: Original post. Tweet response to tweet. So they're connected by whataboutism? They arnt connected and he doesn't say they're connected you clearly didnt read anything and just want to repeat what you heard on oliver.
in response to a question to clarify whether he meant they were connected or just wanted an answer on either subject, he explicitly replied “both.” maybe you should read.
it’s even in the quote chain you are replying to.
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On November 16 2017 01:31 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2017 01:18 Sermokala wrote:On November 16 2017 01:05 WolfintheSheep wrote:On November 16 2017 00:37 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 23:53 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 23:49 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 23:44 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 23:19 Danglars wrote:On November 15 2017 14:23 Aquanim wrote:On November 15 2017 14:09 Danglars wrote:
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The US does not have a mass shooting every week.
Senators being attacked is rare.
Throwing up your hands in mystification and helplessness is a pretty dumb thing to do. I’d like answers. What's the definition of mass shooting you're using? A quick Google search indicated to me that the US has mass shootings considerably more frequently than once a week, which doesn't seem like it supports the argument you're trying to make. It is true that mass shootings of the scale of the Las Vegas shooting are unusual. With respect to the Rand Paul thing, what is dissatisfactory to you about this explanation? People do not walk into churches and kill 26 people or rent a hotel room and shoot 58 people every week. I understand it's tough to systematize a definition, but gang violence in Democratic strongholds does not make national headlines. Quibbling at this point when my point was clear maybe be your thing, but it isn't mine. On November 15 2017 14:01 Nevuk wrote:...
The rand Paul attack was pretty clearly personal, they were neighbors. Both men seem to be trying to keep it private so I'm assuming it would be bad for both if the reason came out.
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Also, to be absolutely clear, are you saying that the two events might be related, or do you just want answers about them individually? Both, thanks. I think you missed the middle question, to wit: what is suspicious to you about Rand Paul getting into a altercation with his neighbour about lawn maintenance or whatever? He wouldn't have tweeted out this article conflicting reports. ... We still don't know about either. Okay then. No matter whether he got into an altercation with his neighbour because of lawn maintenance or dislike of Trump or both, what makes you think there's any possible connection with the Las Vegas shooting? See: Original post. Tweet response to tweet. So they're connected by whataboutism? They arnt connected and he doesn't say they're connected you clearly didnt read anything and just want to repeat what you heard on oliver. in response to a question to clarify whether he meant they were connected or just wanted an answer on either subject, he explicitly replied “both.” maybe you should read.
I wasn't clear. I want answers to both questions of why the attacks happened individually (what motivated attacker 1, what motivated attacker 2). It's coincidence that there were two such puzzling attacks in a short time period.
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Democrats are now going to block Alexander-Murray if the Republicans are going to repeal the mandate.
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i’m not the people police this wasn’t necessary.
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On November 16 2017 01:34 Plansix wrote:
Democrats are now going to block Alexander-Murray if the Republicans are going to repeal the mandate.
I doubt the Republicans can pass the tax bill, esp with a repeal in it. See all the other times it failed.
And there is no need for the Alexander-Murray bill if the repeal does pass because the entire system will self immolate anyway.
Seems like an easy statement to make.
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On November 16 2017 01:38 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2017 01:34 Plansix wrote:
Democrats are now going to block Alexander-Murray if the Republicans are going to repeal the mandate. I doubt the Republicans can pass the tax bill, esp with a repeal in it. See all the other times it failed. And there is no need for the Alexander-Murray bill if the repeal does pass because the entire system will self immolate anyway. Seems like an easy statement to make.
Its 2017, anything is possible. But it is good to put the gun to Republicans head and remind them that lighting everything on fire has consequences.
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