US Politics Mega-thread - Page 8887

On September 30 2017 21:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
You must compliment our dear leader fully.

On October 01 2017 02:47 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Major natural catastrophe, dead people, thousand without a home or electricity, but ye, it's ALL about that clown's ego and if he received the right amount of compliments.

This is fucking pathetic.

On October 01 2017 03:16 micronesia wrote:
The main concern is not with Trump acting the way he is, but with people still supporting him.

I mean, if a goat was elected president but had trouble getting any major legislation pushed through since all it does is eat plants, we wouldn't blame the goat, we'd blame the people who thought it was a good idea to elect the goat, and even more so, we'd blame the people who give the goat high marks and plan to re-elect the goat for its role in rescuing Puerto Rico from the ongoing disaster over there (not that we should blame the goat either, but you get the idea).

Kind of the same thing here... Trump didn't do much to hide what he was before he was elected. People voted for him, and they are predominantly the problem. Other parties (e.g., Hillary) are also at fault for the way things turned out, but the most fundamental blame, in my opinion, points at people who voted for the person doing things like today's tweets.

On October 01 2017 03:16 micronesia wrote:
The main concern is not with Trump acting the way he is, but with people still supporting him.

I mean, if a goat was elected president but had trouble getting any major legislation pushed through since all it does is eat plants, we wouldn't blame the goat, we'd blame the people who thought it was a good idea to elect the goat, and even more so, we'd blame the people who give the goat high marks and plan to re-elect the goat for its role in rescuing Puerto Rico from the ongoing disaster over there (not that we should blame the goat either, but you get the idea).

Kind of the same thing here... Trump didn't do much to hide what he was before he was elected. People voted for him, and they are predominantly the problem. Other parties (e.g., Hillary) are also at fault for the way things turned out, but the most fundamental blame, in my opinion, points at people who voted for the person doing things like today's tweets.

On October 01 2017 04:33 zlefin wrote:
voting to hurt everybody out of spite is still not a good reason. you still have to own your actions.
also, you're not representative of the typical trump voter anyways.

the base deserves to be defamed; because they willingly chose an obviously worse choice, to the detriment of themselves adn the world. and people's real lives are being hurt because of it.

you're also explicitly pushing against policy being made by people who know what they're doing; and favoring people who don't know what they're doing flailing blindly and often being wrong. that's a really dumb viewpoint to hold.
it's also not the case that policy was ever all that technocratic anyways.

The sun rose Wednesday morning in the low mountains of north-central Puerto Rico, near the town of Corozal, to reveal the world that Hurricane Maria has made: shattered trees, traffic lights dangling precipitously from broken poles, and, here on the face of a weedy hill, a gushing spring, one of the few places where people from miles around could find fresh water.

At 6 a.m., about a dozen trucks and cars had parked nearby. People brought rain barrels, buckets, orange juice bottles.

Some men clambered up the steep face of the hill, placing plastic pipes or old pieces of gutter underneath the running spring, directing the water into massive plastic tanks, then hauling them away. Others crouched at a spot where the water trickled down to the pavement. Jorge Díaz Rivera, 61, was there with 11 Clorox bottles. He lives in a community a few minutes’ drive away where there is no water, no food, and no help. The National Guard helicopters have been passing overhead, and sometimes he and his neighbors yell at them, pleading for water. But so far he has seen no help.

“They have forgotten about us,” he said.

Puerto Rico has not been forgotten, but more than a week after Hurricane Maria hit, it’s a woozy empire of wreckage; of waiting in line for food, water and gas and then finding another line to wait in some more. A team of New York Times reporters and photographers spent 24 hours — from dawn Wednesday to scorching afternoon heat, to a long uneasy night and Thursday morning without power — with people trying to survive the catastrophe that Hurricane Maria left behind.

The storm for many was not just something to be endured. It was also a message that it was time to leave Puerto Rico.

In front of the pink and green, art deco facade of the Telégrafo building in Santurce, dozens of people checked their phones. The section of the street is one of the few spots on the island where residents can connect to free Wi-Fi.

People try to reach family members abroad or those left isolated in island towns. Many check their emails for any word from their employer. It’s common to see people break down after making contact with a loved one for the first time since the hurricane.

And for Raymond Hernández, the strip of sidewalk was a way to book his ticket out of Puerto Rico. “I'm going to Tampa to find work for a couple of months,” Mr. Hernández, a personal trainer, said. “And who knows if I end up staying over there.”

For Mr. Hernández, 46, Hurricane Maria was perhaps the final straw in a decision he’s been reluctant to make for 17 years. Over the years, the island's economic recession forced him to close down several gyms he owned. Then his personal training business dried up after Hurricane Irma hit. After Maria blasted out the windows of his apartment in San Juan, he spent two hours during the height of the storm barricading the door with his body.

Now, people are thinking about survival, not working out.

“This hurricane has been the cause of many important decisions for a lot of people,” Mr. Hernández said, shaking his head.

Maritza Giol waited in line at the Plaza Loiza supermarket, a flimsy curtain protecting her from the rain. She needed food for her frail 96-year-old mother, Inocencia Torres, who has been stuck in bed for so long she has bed sores. Their cupboards are mostly empty and her mother can only eat liquids and soft food.

Every 15 or 20 minutes, a security guard would allow people in five to 10 at a time to control the crowd. She shuffled forward little by little, and was grateful the line was not too long.

Once inside, she hoped to grab basic staples, like rice and some canned goods. She hoped to see vegetables or viandas, like yucca or plantains, that she could mash for her mother. If not, she will move on to the next line.

“I’ll go to another supermarket, and then the next, if I have to, until I find what I need,” Ms. Giol said. “I can’t leave Mami without food.”

She is not beyond begging. She ran after a fuel truck and pleaded with the driver to sell her some diesel for the generator to help her mom. She didn’t walk away with enough, but she walked away with something. “We lived through Hugo and George,” she said, naming two powerful hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico in recent times, “but none of those storms was like this.”

On October 01 2017 04:51 zlefin wrote:
There's no lesson to be learned by us, you're the one who needs to learn the lesson: don't choose to hurt people; you willingly chose to cause suffering to others and yourself out of spite and foolishness; that's entirely on you.

You don't like being called out on the facts; you don't like facts at all; because the reality and facts are, that you were wrong, and you chose evil, and it was obvious that you chose evil.

On October 01 2017 05:04 RealityIsKing wrote:


Let's go back to logic shall we instead of posting here only to piss people off.

The dems and GOP were both trying to get the White House.

GOP got it and DNC didn't.

So by reasoning, ofc the DNC needs to reflect on themselves in comparison to the GOP.

Its common sense.

On October 01 2017 04:51 zlefin wrote:
There's no lesson to be learned by us, you're the one who needs to learn the lesson: don't choose to hurt people; you willingly chose to cause suffering to others and yourself out of spite and foolishness; that's entirely on you.

You don't like being called out on the facts; you don't like facts at all; because the reality and facts are, that you were wrong, and you chose evil, and it was obvious that you chose evil.