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On February 12 2014 14:42 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 14:27 Danglars wrote:On February 12 2014 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:European Union Moves To Approve U.S. Genetically Modified Corn
Despite efforts by two-thirds of its 28 member states to block the move, the European Union took a large step toward approving a new genetically modified corn Tuesday. It opponents say the corn, a DuPont Pioneer product called TC1507, has harmful qualities. They also predict the decision will prove to be controversial in Europe. LinkEat that Europe  Exporting freedom corn, 'murica! Farmers don't like pests, the ones that ate their current corn type, and the ones that wear suits and tell them which corn they can and cannot grow. like Monsanto? Let's not resurrect arguments from hundreds of pages ago, now.
Just chill out and bite into some genetically modified potato chips. You'll feel better.
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On February 12 2014 15:08 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 14:50 Sub40APM wrote:On February 12 2014 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:European Union Moves To Approve U.S. Genetically Modified Corn
Despite efforts by two-thirds of its 28 member states to block the move, the European Union took a large step toward approving a new genetically modified corn Tuesday. It opponents say the corn, a DuPont Pioneer product called TC1507, has harmful qualities. They also predict the decision will prove to be controversial in Europe. LinkEat that Europe hmm how does that work, the European Commission is made up of member state delegates so how can it move forward while 2/3rds of the member states say no? member states are represented based on their size and Germany(which is a little ridiculous, because roughly 90% of the population are very skeptical about genetically modified food) , Spain, and some smaller countries abstained their votes, so their weren't enough votes to stop.
This is ridiculous. Elections are just around the corner, and Germany's representatives decided to commit political suicide? How much are they being paid?
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On February 12 2014 14:42 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 14:27 Danglars wrote:On February 12 2014 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:European Union Moves To Approve U.S. Genetically Modified Corn
Despite efforts by two-thirds of its 28 member states to block the move, the European Union took a large step toward approving a new genetically modified corn Tuesday. It opponents say the corn, a DuPont Pioneer product called TC1507, has harmful qualities. They also predict the decision will prove to be controversial in Europe. LinkEat that Europe Exporting freedom corn, 'murica! Farmers don't like pests, the ones that ate their current corn type, and the ones that wear suits and tell them which corn they can and cannot grow. like Monsanto?
Monsanto doesn't do that, so no, not like them
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On February 12 2014 20:36 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 15:08 Nyxisto wrote:On February 12 2014 14:50 Sub40APM wrote:On February 12 2014 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:European Union Moves To Approve U.S. Genetically Modified Corn
Despite efforts by two-thirds of its 28 member states to block the move, the European Union took a large step toward approving a new genetically modified corn Tuesday. It opponents say the corn, a DuPont Pioneer product called TC1507, has harmful qualities. They also predict the decision will prove to be controversial in Europe. LinkEat that Europe hmm how does that work, the European Commission is made up of member state delegates so how can it move forward while 2/3rds of the member states say no? member states are represented based on their size and Germany(which is a little ridiculous, because roughly 90% of the population are very skeptical about genetically modified food) , Spain, and some smaller countries abstained their votes, so their weren't enough votes to stop. This is ridiculous. Elections are just around the corner, and Germany's representatives decided to commit political suicide? How much are they being paid?
hardly political suicide. nobody really cares about the european elections anyway and i dont expect that this decision will be reflected in the results what so ever. also, germanys representaitves dont need to get paid, they can just vote to raise their own salary by 10%.
@jonny yes they do
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On February 12 2014 15:31 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 14:42 Mindcrime wrote:On February 12 2014 14:27 Danglars wrote:On February 12 2014 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:European Union Moves To Approve U.S. Genetically Modified Corn
Despite efforts by two-thirds of its 28 member states to block the move, the European Union took a large step toward approving a new genetically modified corn Tuesday. It opponents say the corn, a DuPont Pioneer product called TC1507, has harmful qualities. They also predict the decision will prove to be controversial in Europe. LinkEat that Europe Exporting freedom corn, 'murica! Farmers don't like pests, the ones that ate their current corn type, and the ones that wear suits and tell them which corn they can and cannot grow. like Monsanto? Let's not resurrect arguments from hundreds of pages ago, now. Just chill out and bite into some genetically modified potato chips. You'll feel better.
You are being overly optimistic if you think your shit will come here... It is basically impossible, in France at least there will be riots and manifestations everywhere.
The main problem with genetically modified food is not health but the possibility for industrials to do what they want with it. It's already bad enough that with crossing, industrials have managed to create plants that need specifical fertilizers, pesticides etc... and plants that last only one year (perfect for speculation on the prices of semance)... I can't imagine what shit goes in America with food, it's like eating something you have no clue where it came from and not giving a shit about how it affects the farmers (how they become dependent on some products), the variety of products, the environment and even yourself. If industrials had put more effort into developping tougher semance and more nutritive plants hunger would be history.
Anyway, letting genetically modified shit coming in Europe is letting industrials do what they want not in the name of free market (hey unofficial agreements) but in the name of greedy shareholders.
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Plus there is the whole deal of cross contamination so you lose sight of what is and isn't modified.
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On February 13 2014 00:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 14:42 Mindcrime wrote:On February 12 2014 14:27 Danglars wrote:On February 12 2014 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:European Union Moves To Approve U.S. Genetically Modified Corn
Despite efforts by two-thirds of its 28 member states to block the move, the European Union took a large step toward approving a new genetically modified corn Tuesday. It opponents say the corn, a DuPont Pioneer product called TC1507, has harmful qualities. They also predict the decision will prove to be controversial in Europe. LinkEat that Europe Exporting freedom corn, 'murica! Farmers don't like pests, the ones that ate their current corn type, and the ones that wear suits and tell them which corn they can and cannot grow. like Monsanto? Monsanto doesn't do that, so no, not like them
They don't wear suits?
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On February 13 2014 01:54 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 00:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 12 2014 14:42 Mindcrime wrote:On February 12 2014 14:27 Danglars wrote:On February 12 2014 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:European Union Moves To Approve U.S. Genetically Modified Corn
Despite efforts by two-thirds of its 28 member states to block the move, the European Union took a large step toward approving a new genetically modified corn Tuesday. It opponents say the corn, a DuPont Pioneer product called TC1507, has harmful qualities. They also predict the decision will prove to be controversial in Europe. LinkEat that Europe Exporting freedom corn, 'murica! Farmers don't like pests, the ones that ate their current corn type, and the ones that wear suits and tell them which corn they can and cannot grow. like Monsanto? Monsanto doesn't do that, so no, not like them They don't wear suits?
He's talking about politicians, guys. Also at this point I just assume Danglars has a witty anti-regulation response prepared for every field of work.
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On February 13 2014 01:54 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 00:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 12 2014 14:42 Mindcrime wrote:On February 12 2014 14:27 Danglars wrote:On February 12 2014 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:European Union Moves To Approve U.S. Genetically Modified Corn
Despite efforts by two-thirds of its 28 member states to block the move, the European Union took a large step toward approving a new genetically modified corn Tuesday. It opponents say the corn, a DuPont Pioneer product called TC1507, has harmful qualities. They also predict the decision will prove to be controversial in Europe. LinkEat that Europe Exporting freedom corn, 'murica! Farmers don't like pests, the ones that ate their current corn type, and the ones that wear suits and tell them which corn they can and cannot grow. like Monsanto? Monsanto doesn't do that, so no, not like them They don't wear suits?
They don't sue farmers over seeds that have blown into fields. They also don't tell farmers what they can and can't grow.
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On February 13 2014 02:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 01:54 Mindcrime wrote:On February 13 2014 00:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 12 2014 14:42 Mindcrime wrote:On February 12 2014 14:27 Danglars wrote:On February 12 2014 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:European Union Moves To Approve U.S. Genetically Modified Corn
Despite efforts by two-thirds of its 28 member states to block the move, the European Union took a large step toward approving a new genetically modified corn Tuesday. It opponents say the corn, a DuPont Pioneer product called TC1507, has harmful qualities. They also predict the decision will prove to be controversial in Europe. LinkEat that Europe Exporting freedom corn, 'murica! Farmers don't like pests, the ones that ate their current corn type, and the ones that wear suits and tell them which corn they can and cannot grow. like Monsanto? Monsanto doesn't do that, so no, not like them They don't wear suits? They don't sue farmers over seeds that have blown into fields. They also don't tell farmers what they can and can't grow.
What is it that you think patents do?
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Has Monsanto actually sued over that? I cannot imagine that that would ever hold up in court (although granted: that might not stop Monsanto from suing and just trusting their deep pockets will cause the farmer to settle). Fairly certain that if Monsanto's seed were to blow into a farmer's field from a neighboring farm, the patent is not violated. Same for cross-polination.
Farmers preemptively starting a lawsuit (and it getting thrown out) is not the same thing at all.
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iirc it went like this:
farmer buys monsanto seeds and plants them ---> Farmer Harvests --> Farmer uses corn out of his harvest for seeding --> Lawsuit by monsanto.
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United States42718 Posts
On February 13 2014 05:10 Velr wrote:
iirc it went like this:
farmer buys monsanto seeds and plants them ---> Farmer Harvests --> Farmer uses corn out of his harvest for seeding --> Lawsuit by monsanto.
The first step wasn't clear. The farmer argued that the Monsanto seeds spread through wind and Monsanto didn't contest that because that wasn't relevant to their case. The farmer intentionally selectively replanted the seeds from the plants he suspected were the Monsanto ones until his entire crop was their patented plants. They argued that the act of deliberate selective planting of their copyrighted plants broke their patent, regardless of how the initial seeds got there.
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On February 13 2014 05:10 Velr wrote:
iirc it went like this:
farmer buys monsanto seeds and plants them ---> Farmer Harvests --> Farmer uses corn out of his harvest for seeding --> Lawsuit by monsanto.
That's not even remotely close to the situation described in the original link. I have no clue what patent law says on that. It seems a rather vague area, because generally patented objects aren't capable of reproduction.
In fact, GMOs are probably the first such things in history, so it seems like this would be a grey area in the law. In any case, didn't Monsanto lose that lawsuit (or just drop it) and now they genetically modify their corn to be infertile in addition to whatever benefits it gives?
E: Kwark's situation makes it more complicated, but it essentially boils down to the same problem in patent law stemming from the novel area of reproducing patented objects.
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On February 13 2014 04:29 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 02:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 13 2014 01:54 Mindcrime wrote:On February 13 2014 00:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 12 2014 14:42 Mindcrime wrote:On February 12 2014 14:27 Danglars wrote:On February 12 2014 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:European Union Moves To Approve U.S. Genetically Modified Corn
Despite efforts by two-thirds of its 28 member states to block the move, the European Union took a large step toward approving a new genetically modified corn Tuesday. It opponents say the corn, a DuPont Pioneer product called TC1507, has harmful qualities. They also predict the decision will prove to be controversial in Europe. LinkEat that Europe Exporting freedom corn, 'murica! Farmers don't like pests, the ones that ate their current corn type, and the ones that wear suits and tell them which corn they can and cannot grow. like Monsanto? Monsanto doesn't do that, so no, not like them They don't wear suits? They don't sue farmers over seeds that have blown into fields. They also don't tell farmers what they can and can't grow. What is it that you think patents do?
Help people make babies?
Monsanto doesn't sue farmers for seeds that get blown it. If you want to use their seeds, you have to buy them. That's how it works. If you try to work around their patents, and essentially copy their seeds without paying them for it, you risk getting sued.
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On February 13 2014 06:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 04:29 Mindcrime wrote:On February 13 2014 02:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 13 2014 01:54 Mindcrime wrote:On February 13 2014 00:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 12 2014 14:42 Mindcrime wrote:On February 12 2014 14:27 Danglars wrote:On February 12 2014 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:European Union Moves To Approve U.S. Genetically Modified Corn
Despite efforts by two-thirds of its 28 member states to block the move, the European Union took a large step toward approving a new genetically modified corn Tuesday. It opponents say the corn, a DuPont Pioneer product called TC1507, has harmful qualities. They also predict the decision will prove to be controversial in Europe. LinkEat that Europe Exporting freedom corn, 'murica! Farmers don't like pests, the ones that ate their current corn type, and the ones that wear suits and tell them which corn they can and cannot grow. like Monsanto? Monsanto doesn't do that, so no, not like them They don't wear suits? They don't sue farmers over seeds that have blown into fields. They also don't tell farmers what they can and can't grow. What is it that you think patents do? Help people make babies? Monsanto doesn't sue farmers for seeds that get blown it. If you want to use their seeds, you have to buy them. That's how it works. If you try to work around their patents, and essentially copy their seeds without paying them for it, you risk getting sued.
so, they tell the famers that they cannot grow certain corn...
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On February 13 2014 07:00 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 06:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 13 2014 04:29 Mindcrime wrote:On February 13 2014 02:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 13 2014 01:54 Mindcrime wrote:On February 13 2014 00:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 12 2014 14:42 Mindcrime wrote:On February 12 2014 14:27 Danglars wrote:On February 12 2014 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:European Union Moves To Approve U.S. Genetically Modified Corn
Despite efforts by two-thirds of its 28 member states to block the move, the European Union took a large step toward approving a new genetically modified corn Tuesday. It opponents say the corn, a DuPont Pioneer product called TC1507, has harmful qualities. They also predict the decision will prove to be controversial in Europe. LinkEat that Europe Exporting freedom corn, 'murica! Farmers don't like pests, the ones that ate their current corn type, and the ones that wear suits and tell them which corn they can and cannot grow. like Monsanto? Monsanto doesn't do that, so no, not like them They don't wear suits? They don't sue farmers over seeds that have blown into fields. They also don't tell farmers what they can and can't grow. What is it that you think patents do? Help people make babies? Monsanto doesn't sue farmers for seeds that get blown it. If you want to use their seeds, you have to buy them. That's how it works. If you try to work around their patents, and essentially copy their seeds without paying them for it, you risk getting sued. so, they tell the famers that they cannot grow certain corn...
no... they tell farmers that if they want to grow certain corn they have to pay for it.
Edit: if a store says a TV is $100 they're not saying you can't have it
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On February 13 2014 07:03 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 07:00 Paljas wrote:On February 13 2014 06:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 13 2014 04:29 Mindcrime wrote:On February 13 2014 02:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 13 2014 01:54 Mindcrime wrote:On February 13 2014 00:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 12 2014 14:42 Mindcrime wrote:On February 12 2014 14:27 Danglars wrote:On February 12 2014 13:42 JonnyBNoHo wrote:[quote] LinkEat that Europe Exporting freedom corn, 'murica! Farmers don't like pests, the ones that ate their current corn type, and the ones that wear suits and tell them which corn they can and cannot grow. like Monsanto? Monsanto doesn't do that, so no, not like them They don't wear suits? They don't sue farmers over seeds that have blown into fields. They also don't tell farmers what they can and can't grow. What is it that you think patents do? Help people make babies? Monsanto doesn't sue farmers for seeds that get blown it. If you want to use their seeds, you have to buy them. That's how it works. If you try to work around their patents, and essentially copy their seeds without paying them for it, you risk getting sued. so, they tell the famers that they cannot grow certain corn... no... they tell farmers that if they want to grow certain corn they have to pay for it. Edit: if a store says a TV is $100 they're not saying you can't have it
except a TV doesnt reproduce which adds a whole new line of legal issues.
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On February 13 2014 07:10 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 07:03 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 13 2014 07:00 Paljas wrote:On February 13 2014 06:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 13 2014 04:29 Mindcrime wrote:On February 13 2014 02:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 13 2014 01:54 Mindcrime wrote:On February 13 2014 00:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 12 2014 14:42 Mindcrime wrote:On February 12 2014 14:27 Danglars wrote:
[quote]Exporting freedom corn, 'murica! Farmers don't like pests, the ones that ate their current corn type, and the ones that wear suits and tell them which corn they can and cannot grow. like Monsanto? Monsanto doesn't do that, so no, not like them They don't wear suits? They don't sue farmers over seeds that have blown into fields. They also don't tell farmers what they can and can't grow. What is it that you think patents do? Help people make babies? Monsanto doesn't sue farmers for seeds that get blown it. If you want to use their seeds, you have to buy them. That's how it works. If you try to work around their patents, and essentially copy their seeds without paying them for it, you risk getting sued. so, they tell the famers that they cannot grow certain corn... no... they tell farmers that if they want to grow certain corn they have to pay for it. Edit: if a store says a TV is $100 they're not saying you can't have it except a TV doesnt reproduce which adds a whole new line of legal issues.
Sure, but it isn't too difficult to deal with. If you want to use Monsanto seeds you buy them from a Monsanto supplier. If you don't want to use Monsanto seeds don't buy them and don't try to make your own.
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need more public research on this seed stuff so you get these critical advances disseminated widely. this is the approach of china and its corn/rice, iirc. one of a few things they actually got right
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