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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 02 2017 01:25 GMT
#172561
On September 02 2017 09:09 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2017 08:20 Artisreal wrote:
I am not surprised that you condone the deflection of the Russia investigation to but her emails.
Fits your style.

That doesn't diminish the imperative to follow up this possible evidence. Using it as a cover to divert or discredit other investigations is still not acceptable.

E: apologies I've must have misread.

Listen: Any ongoing investigation is going to get the same response from shitlibs. There's nothing here and it's all just a deflection. In fact, you don't even have to read if there's anything to the revelations to arrive at that conclusion.

This reminds me actually. Took me a bit to dig up names, but...

Grassley's last inquiry that you posted (regarding Alexandra Chalupa) was given a deadline of Aug 3. Given a full month has passed since then, with no word on any front about it, that seems to have been a dead-end.

Which seems like a relevant reminder that a Senator's request for information is not the same as an open investigation.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2017 02:09 GMT
#172562


You can't make this shit up. He called a special session for the bathroom bill.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
September 02 2017 02:21 GMT
#172563
On September 02 2017 11:09 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/amanbatheja/status/903698434292666368

You can't make this shit up. He called a special session for the bathroom bill.

Goes without saying really. What could be more important than that?
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8960 Posts
September 02 2017 02:47 GMT
#172564
On September 02 2017 11:09 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/amanbatheja/status/903698434292666368

You can't make this shit up. He called a special session for the bathroom bill.

If the feds are going to foot the bill, then why should they take into their own funds?
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 04:06:16
September 02 2017 04:01 GMT
#172565
In regards to Harvey, i found this interesting. And actually a bit surprising.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/09/01/dozens-of-countries-offered-help-after-hurricane-katrina-after-harvey-not-so-much/

Breakdown, basically after Katrina basically many countries came together and tried to help out. Germany delivered high-speed pumps, others MREs, some monies, etc - overall, over $850m.

After Harvey, well. Few countries wanna help. The EU sent satellites, Mexico offered "help and coordination", canadians are sending some baby stuff, and taiwan/venezuela together offered around $6m.

I also find it staggering that of the $850m donated, a whopping $115m made it actually to the people.

edit: by staggering i mean infuriating
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24634 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 04:13:10
September 02 2017 04:12 GMT
#172566
Is the point there that other countries are much more likely to extend a helping hand in the USA's time of need when the country's motto isn't "us first, fuck the rest of you"?
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8960 Posts
September 02 2017 04:16 GMT
#172567
On September 02 2017 13:01 m4ini wrote:
In regards to Harvey, i found this interesting. And actually a bit surprising.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/09/01/dozens-of-countries-offered-help-after-hurricane-katrina-after-harvey-not-so-much/

Breakdown, basically after Katrina basically many countries came together and tried to help out. Germany delivered high-speed pumps, others MREs, some monies, etc - overall, over $850m.

After Harvey, well. Few countries wanna help. The EU sent satellites, Mexico offered "help and coordination", canadians are sending some baby stuff, and taiwan/venezuela together offered around $6m.

I also find it staggering that of the $850m donated, a whopping $115m made it actually to the people.

edit: by staggering i mean infuriating

Was there no info on what Sandy got from the international community? And if you think about who was running things at the time of Katrina, it wouldn't be such a surprise. Also, the US is a massive clusterfuck when it comes to things like this. Most places, depending on where they go, just take the money. Some of it gets put back into a fund for the future, and some are investments and repairs for said affected areas. We'd need complete transparency in order to make an argument that the people didn't get the money.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 02 2017 04:17 GMT
#172568
On September 02 2017 13:12 micronesia wrote:
Is the point there that other countries are much more likely to extend a helping hand in the USA's time of need when the country's motto isn't "us first, fuck the rest of you"?

It's like telling people the sky is blue. Only there's a large portion of the country that sincerely thinks the sky is hot pink, and they need to be reminded. The sky is, in fact, blue.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 04:29:55
September 02 2017 04:17 GMT
#172569
On September 02 2017 13:12 micronesia wrote:
Is the point there that other countries are much more likely to extend a helping hand in the USA's time of need when the country's motto isn't "us first, fuck the rest of you"?


Partially. I don't think that's the main reason, the main reason would be the absolute disastrous way the US handles natural disasters in general, and foreign aid specifically.

Obviously, Trump didn't help either.

Was there no info on what Sandy got from the international community? And if you think about who was running things at the time of Katrina, it wouldn't be such a surprise. Also, the US is a massive clusterfuck when it comes to things like this. Most places, depending on where they go, just take the money. Some of it gets put back into a fund for the future, and some are investments and repairs for said affected areas. We'd need complete transparency in order to make an argument that the people didn't get the money.


Well, not in that link. Shouldn't be hard to find, i only saw that russia of all countries donated 50 tons of "stuff".

Germany around $6m. Sadly there doesn't seem to be a wiki page like there is for Katrina, and i kinda can't be bothered to google every country singularly now, would take all day. Iran offered rescuers and aid workers etc as well.
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8960 Posts
September 02 2017 04:37 GMT
#172570
On September 02 2017 13:17 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2017 13:12 micronesia wrote:
Is the point there that other countries are much more likely to extend a helping hand in the USA's time of need when the country's motto isn't "us first, fuck the rest of you"?


Partially. I don't think that's the main reason, the main reason would be the absolute disastrous way the US handles natural disasters in general, and foreign aid specifically.

Obviously, Trump didn't help either.

Show nested quote +
Was there no info on what Sandy got from the international community? And if you think about who was running things at the time of Katrina, it wouldn't be such a surprise. Also, the US is a massive clusterfuck when it comes to things like this. Most places, depending on where they go, just take the money. Some of it gets put back into a fund for the future, and some are investments and repairs for said affected areas. We'd need complete transparency in order to make an argument that the people didn't get the money.


Well, not in that link. Shouldn't be hard to find, i only saw that russia of all countries donated 50 tons of "stuff".

Germany around $6m. Sadly there doesn't seem to be a wiki page like there is for Katrina, and i kinda can't be bothered to google every country singularly now, would take all day. Iran offered rescuers and aid workers etc as well.

I don't expect you too either. I was just wondering what you had come across when you found that link.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
September 02 2017 04:39 GMT
#172571
Nothing in regards to Sandy. Would be interesting to figure out, but not at 5:30am. ^^
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 02 2017 07:14 GMT
#172572
On September 02 2017 10:00 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2017 09:56 Danglars wrote:
On September 02 2017 09:12 m4ini wrote:
On September 02 2017 09:09 Danglars wrote:
On September 02 2017 08:20 Artisreal wrote:
I am not surprised that you condone the deflection of the Russia investigation to but her emails.
Fits your style.

That doesn't diminish the imperative to follow up this possible evidence. Using it as a cover to divert or discredit other investigations is still not acceptable.

E: apologies I've must have misread.

Listen: Any ongoing investigation is going to get the same response from shitlibs. There's nothing here and it's all just a deflection. In fact, you don't even have to read if there's anything to the revelations to arrive at that conclusion.


Before you try and take the high horse, remember how often you went out on a limb for the dumbest shit in regards to trump, urging everyone not to believe "maybe" or "i think".

Which is literally the entire content of your posting. There might be something wrong, yes. Fact of the matter is, nobody to this point knows shit, including you, so don't act like you do. You're literally doing what you constantly "explain to us" not to do.

Such as? You must really avoid the BS "going out in a limb for the dumbest shit." If you think I'm not credible, attack the sources or attack my argument or ignore me. All these generalized attacks on me serve no purpose.

Secondly, I pointed out the substance of the allegations and all that earned was "condoning the deflection." It was a bullshit answer and he deserved the response.


We both know that i don't think you're credible. And i in fact did attack the source, i literally told you what's in it. "Maybe", "i think", "probably". There's nothing of substance other than "okay lets ask for documents to doublecheck", yet you're going ham as if they actually caught comey doing something.

You went out on a limb for the dumbest shit trump said and in regards to the russia investigation, constantly emphasising that these are all "not proven", "allegations" and the obvious "anonymous sources don't count" shit.

You seem to have forgotten.

edit: as a footnote, that's not you personally but generally the way you debate. Constantly deflecting to other points and whataboutism - things that make you inherently not trustworthy because everything seems like you argue in bad faith.
And FYI unproven dumb shit people do in this thread, like link "omg an ethanol talk came close to a senate panel info request ho ho ho," lack substance and are base conspiracy accusations.

Karis: Haha ethanol and investigation
Dang: Dude, it's got some shady shit needing investigation
Artis: You're condoning the deflection from Russia!
Dang: You always say it's a deflection regardless of merit.
m4ini: You always go out on a limb for Trump!

You really should read again what I wrote that brought out the "condone deflection" and really examine if it's "going ham." Secondly, if you really want to relitigate the Trump investigation (Newsflash: Still no proof of collusion. Despite seven months and countless articles) to try to get a confession on going "out on a limb for Trump," good luck. You might still believe Comey would testify that he never told Trump three times he wasn't under investigation (Comey did. And he did the original one unprompted.) And you should pay more attention to liberal voices that constantly talk impeachment without a crime (Rewind thread to November/December) to why it bore repeating. And tell me which of my comments on anonymous sources you take issue with. They're too often used here as broad assertions of fact without regard to the leaker's predisposition to selectively leak the damaging parts without context and their motivations.

So really, if you have a problem with me, perhaps engage with me knowing your opinion or don't engage with me. You can complain about me in the website feedback forum or by PM. I really don't see any use in dredging up what you think I do with Trump. I'm not putting here what I think are your shortcomings in debate and in your comprehension of politics.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
September 02 2017 07:34 GMT
#172573
I just posted it without comment because I didn't really know enough about it and wanted more information
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9234 Posts
September 02 2017 08:39 GMT
#172574
I wonder how long you're gonna hold something under me nose what I took back after a couple of seconds and even stated my response wasn't right in this instance.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2017 14:36 GMT
#172575


This seems like the best for the country.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 14:54:07
September 02 2017 14:53 GMT
#172576
On September 02 2017 23:36 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/JessicaHuseman/status/903962484574445568

This seems like the best for the country.

So what's stopping anyone relatively close to your president feeding him home-made versions of Fox News to advance their agenda?
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21538 Posts
September 02 2017 15:00 GMT
#172577
On September 02 2017 23:53 plated.rawr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2017 23:36 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/JessicaHuseman/status/903962484574445568

This seems like the best for the country.

So what's stopping anyone relatively close to your president feeding him home-made versions of Fox News to advance their agenda?

What do you think Bannon was doing?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2017 15:02 GMT
#172578
On September 03 2017 00:00 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2017 23:53 plated.rawr wrote:
On September 02 2017 23:36 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/JessicaHuseman/status/903962484574445568

This seems like the best for the country.

So what's stopping anyone relatively close to your president feeding him home-made versions of Fox News to advance their agenda?

What do you think Bannon was doing?

Pretty much. Electioning presidents with independent thoughts that are not desperate for approval is the real solution.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 15:58:43
September 02 2017 15:58 GMT
#172579
The technology entrepreneur Elon Musk recently urged the nation’s governors to regulate artificial intelligence “before it’s too late.” Mr. Musk insists that artificial intelligence represents an “existential threat to humanity,” an alarmist view that confuses A.I. science with science fiction. Nevertheless, even A.I. researchers like me recognize that there are valid concerns about its impact on weapons, jobs and privacy. It’s natural to ask whether we should develop A.I. at all.

I believe the answer is yes. But shouldn’t we take steps to at least slow down progress on A.I., in the interest of caution? The problem is that if we do so, then nations like China will overtake us. The A.I. horse has left the barn, and our best bet is to attempt to steer it. A.I. should not be weaponized, and any A.I. must have an impregnable “off switch.” Beyond that, we should regulate the tangible impact of A.I. systems (for example, the safety of autonomous vehicles) rather than trying to define and rein in the amorphous and rapidly developing field of A.I.

I propose three rules for artificial intelligence systems that are inspired by, yet develop further, the “three laws of robotics” that the writer Isaac Asimov introduced in 1942: A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm; a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except when such orders would conflict with the previous law; and a robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the previous two laws.

These three laws are elegant but ambiguous: What, exactly, constitutes harm when it comes to A.I.? I suggest a more concrete basis for avoiding A.I. harm, based on three rules of my own.

First, an A.I. system must be subject to the full gamut of laws that apply to its human operator. This rule would cover private, corporate and government systems. We don’t want A.I. to engage in cyberbullying, stock manipulation or terrorist threats; we don’t want the F.B.I. to release A.I. systems that entrap people into committing crimes. We don’t want autonomous vehicles that drive through red lights, or worse, A.I. weapons that violate international treaties.

Our common law should be amended so that we can’t claim that our A.I. system did something that we couldn’t understand or anticipate. Simply put, “My A.I. did it” should not excuse illegal behavior.

My second rule is that an A.I. system must clearly disclose that it is not human. As we have seen in the case of bots — computer programs that can engage in increasingly sophisticated dialogue with real people — society needs assurances that A.I. systems are clearly labeled as such. In 2016, a bot known as Jill Watson, which served as a teaching assistant for an online course at Georgia Tech, fooled students into thinking it was human. A more serious example is the widespread use of pro-Trump political bots on social media in the days leading up to the 2016 elections, according to researchers at Oxford.

My rule would ensure that people know when a bot is impersonating someone. We have already seen, for example, @DeepDrumpf — a bot that humorously impersonated Donald Trump on Twitter. A.I. systems don’t just produce fake tweets; they also produce fake news videos. Researchers at the University of Washington recently released a fake video of former President Barack Obama in which he convincingly appeared to be speaking words that had been grafted onto video of him talking about something entirely different.

My third rule is that an A.I. system cannot retain or disclose confidential information without explicit approval from the source of that information. Because of their exceptional ability to automatically elicit, record and analyze information, A.I. systems are in a prime position to acquire confidential information. Think of all the conversations that Amazon Echo — a “smart speaker” present in an increasing number of homes — is privy to, or the information that your child may inadvertently divulge to a toy such as an A.I. Barbie. Even seemingly innocuous housecleaning robots create maps of your home. That is information you want to make sure you control.

My three A.I. rules are, I believe, sound but far from complete. I introduce them here as a starting point for discussion. Whether or not you agree with Mr. Musk’s view about A.I.’s rate of progress and its ultimate impact on humanity (I don’t), it is clear that A.I. is coming. Society needs to get ready.


Source
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8960 Posts
September 02 2017 16:02 GMT
#172580
SAN FRANCISCO -- Acrid, black smoke was seen pouring from a chimney at the Russian consulate in San Francisco and workers began hauling boxes out of the stately building in a historic area of the city Friday, a day after the Trump administration ordered its closure amid escalating tensions between the United States and Russia.

The workers were hurrying to shut Russia's oldest consulate in the U.S. ahead of a Saturday deadline.

The order to leave the consulate and an official diplomatic residence in San Francisco -- home to a longstanding community of Russian emigres and technology workers -- escalated an already tense diplomatic standoff between Washington and Moscow, even for those who have long monitored activities inside the closely monitored building.

Source
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