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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 01 2017 21:05 GMT
#172521
McCain just did an op-ed in the Post saying that congress should return to business and be an independent branch of government again. He wants Trump to come at him.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-01 21:08:43
September 01 2017 21:08 GMT
#172522
On September 02 2017 06:03 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2017 03:55 Plansix wrote:
On September 02 2017 03:34 CorsairHero wrote:
On September 02 2017 02:59 Plansix wrote:


I can see the future: nothing will happen. No one will go to jail, no one will be punished. This is a write off.

is the future the same even if Hillary won the election

I disagree with your false equivalency, but I’ll let that slide because I have a better argument.

Who cares? Its still bullshit. The existence of a centrist candidate for president does not make this less bullshit. If that is the only argument you have, go get a better one.

It's definitely bullshit. Maybe my questions should have been: what would it take to bring criminal charges forward? Eric Holder didn't do it afaik.

Erik Holder was part of the justice department, not congress. Congress needs to set aside funding for FBI to investigate these crimes. The Justice department can’t magically make more money for agents to do this and all the FBI efforts are focused on terrorism. There is no one to gather to evidence to prosecute and its been like that since 9/11. And it won’t change until the public demands it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 01 2017 21:26 GMT
#172523
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 01 2017 22:01 GMT
#172524
On September 02 2017 06:26 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/RWPUSA/status/903705260828577792

Those who defy the motherland will be sentenced to a public punishment, until they learn how to be efficient citizens again.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-01 22:27:25
September 01 2017 22:11 GMT
#172525
More of this handlaying on Trump prayer stuff. They manage to make a video about praying for Harvey victims include this cleric dude saying things like

'Father I thank you that we have a president, president Donald Trump who believes in the power of prayer'
'We thank you that the president has the wisdom to call our nation right now for a day of prayer Father, this is what we need'

'We also want to pray for spiritual healing, emotional healing for this country. This country has been bitterly divided for decades upon decades, and now You have given us a gift: President Donald Trump'
while they lay their hands on him. Like what am I watching?

Give them another year and he'll be the second coming of Christ at this rate. I thought the god-emperor stuff was supposed to be memes.


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 01 2017 22:13 GMT
#172526
That is some intense Dear Leader shit.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
September 01 2017 22:44 GMT
#172527
pretty sure the national day of prayer thing is a pretty common presidential occurrence. now not saying the rest of it is fine or anything
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
September 01 2017 22:45 GMT
#172528
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
September 01 2017 22:55 GMT
#172529
I think it'd be interesting to see how many other presidents have put out statements where people say the president is a gift from God.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 01 2017 22:56 GMT
#172530
On September 02 2017 07:11 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
More of this handlaying on Trump prayer stuff. They manage to make a video about praying for Harvey victims include this cleric dude saying things like

'Father I thank you that we have a president, president Donald Trump who believes in the power of prayer'
'We thank you that the president has the wisdom to call our nation right now for a day of prayer Father, this is what we need'

'We also want to pray for spiritual healing, emotional healing for this country. This country has been bitterly divided for decades upon decades, and now You have given us a gift: President Donald Trump'
while they lay their hands on him. Like what am I watching?

Give them another year and he'll be the second coming of Christ at this rate. I thought the god-emperor stuff was supposed to be memes.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/903705867891204096


Courage level: ...wait, shit! This thing must be malfunctioning, this reading is too h- *explosion* MOTHER OF GOD, MY COURAGE DETECTOR HAS EXPLODED
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 01 2017 23:11 GMT
#172531
On September 02 2017 07:45 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/903725509430870016

By "raising questions" you mean "uncovered evidence Comey decided months in advance to exonerate Clinton // granted immunity after having decided not to charge anyone"




Grassley's document
"It's unclear whether the FBI agents actually investigating the case were aware that Mr. Comey had already decided on the investigation's outcome"
"It appears that the following key FBI interviews had not yet occured when Mr. Comey began drafting his exoneration statement"
"The agreements provided that the Department would destroy any records which it retrieved ... and would destroy the laptops"
And what appears to be no charges, free immunity, and evidence destruction. There's some nasty business here needing investigation ... Grassley/Graham are giving the FBI until September 13th to turn over additional documents.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 01 2017 23:18 GMT
#172532
Go wild. Take Comey and Clinton down. (It may be the only way to avoid 2020 run).
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-01 23:22:17
September 01 2017 23:20 GMT
#172533
I am not surprised that you condone the deflection of the Russia investigation to but her emails.
Fits your style.

That doesn't diminish the imperative to follow up this possible evidence. Using it as a cover to divert or discredit other investigations is still not acceptable.

E: apologies I've must have misread.
passive quaranstream fan
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22444 Posts
September 01 2017 23:25 GMT
#172534
But her emails!
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-01 23:52:00
September 01 2017 23:28 GMT
#172535
This is some sad distraction play by Grassley. Nothing in the interviews changed the conclusion that the evidence from the server itself told: zero evidence of crime. Nothing alleged by Grassley here changes the fact that the servers didn't show HRC sending emails marked with a (C). Yes, she received three that had a (C) deep in the email thread, but she wasn't the one sending them and that isn't nearly enough for a prosecution.

EDIT: isn't it entirely plausible that the investigation into the hard evidence and early phone calls was enough to exonerate here? The emails themselves flatly showed no crime. The interviews didn't add anything.

EDIT2: damn this Grassley spin is going down fast.

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 01 2017 23:48 GMT
#172536
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
September 01 2017 23:49 GMT
#172537
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
September 01 2017 23:55 GMT
#172538
We all knew that Pence knew everything and rolls out there to give his smooth preacher lies as cover. But there are lines in the new NYT/WAPO pieces that suggest that the DAG knew about the real Trump-Miller-Comey memo prior to the DAG writing his BS cover memo. This isn't confirmed yet, but it would be a real fireball that would blow up Rosenstein. Not sure how I feel about that.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 02 2017 00:05 GMT
#172539
It seems conceivable that Comey and his team would see the way the investigation was heading and prepare a possible statement if it continued that way. Doesn't necessarily mean they were definitely going to exonerate. Keep in mind Comey didn't even tell the DOJ he was going to do his press conference on Clinton - because he didn't trust them. It doesn't seem plausible that Comey is corrupt.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-02 00:10:21
September 02 2017 00:08 GMT
#172540
On September 02 2017 08:49 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/903761835765227520


As an interesting sidenote, this would also mean that Pence flatout and blatantly lied. Not accidentally, but purposely, when he said that Comey was fired because of Rosensteins "suggestion".
On track to MA1950A.
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