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On August 29 2017 01:05 Broetchenholer wrote: I am not sure if this is just due to the fact that you were not prepared for a disaster of this proportion or if there was no preparation for someting of that magnitude. I remember the last really bad flooding in eastern germany and it was basically days and days of people fighting the dams to break. I haven't seen any coverage of people building sandsack dams.
I would find it interesting to know if that wasn't in the coverage i saw but happened or if it did not happen.
And if it did not happen, why not? I don't understand the concept of building paperhouses on faultlines, tornado zones and hurricane areas which seems to have happened here as well. Could this have been avoided if people had just tried before?
there was probably some sandbag work done. There pretty mcuh always is with floods; usually done by the national guard or something. Maybe it just never made it into the footage? it'd seem unlikely for none of it to have happened, given how routine it is. but I can't say for certain.
one problem is the national flood insurance program, due to political pressure, is far too generous with people who build in risky areas, letting htem pay far less than what they actuarially should for coverage, which tends to bankrupt the program. There's also longstanding issues with insufficient infrastructure investment in the US; things being too old and needing replacing, but noone wanting to put up the money to do so.
Exactly. There are some times when we are powerless to stop or prepare for events like this. We can only recover afterwards. Some places are looking at 40+ inches of water. Even if they evacuate, the place they evacuate to could flood.
One thing about this flood is that the feds seem to be moving faster than sandy or katrina. They're actually coordinating and waiting to go in to help get the relief in. Whereas the other two, the feds kinda just sat around on getting money to them or going in and conducting search and rescue/recover efforts.
On August 29 2017 01:05 Broetchenholer wrote: I am not sure if this is just due to the fact that you were not prepared for a disaster of this proportion or if there was no preparation for someting of that magnitude. I remember the last really bad flooding in eastern germany and it was basically days and days of people fighting the dams to break. I haven't seen any coverage of people building sandsack dams.
I would find it interesting to know if that wasn't in the coverage i saw but happened or if it did not happen.
And if it did not happen, why not? I don't understand the concept of building paperhouses on faultlines, tornado zones and hurricane areas which seems to have happened here as well. Could this have been avoided if people had just tried before?
You are underestimating the amount of water they got and the amount of wind by comparing it to the German flood (which was as I recalled it due to a combination of increased melting of snow/ice and an above average downpour). Houson got more rain over the weekend than Denmark gets in 2 years (and Denmark isn't exactly known for it's dry climate as most people might now). It's damn near unfathomable how much water we are talking here.
The concept of paperhouses is a more widespread american thing and has to do with the american dream of a family house in a cul-de-sac with a white picket fence. Building cheap houses is the way to keep down housing costs. US houses are an impressive study in using space terribly.
On August 29 2017 00:58 LegalLord wrote: My god, Hillary Clinton just needs to disappear. The sooner we forget she exists the sooner we can properly move on to talking about how bad Trump actually is and - more importantly - what we can do about it. With Hillary choking the opposition for personal gain, we are still mostly stuck playing this stupid ass game where we're talking past each other trying to establish who is worse - shitty party A or shitty party B.
It's a bit rich that you're talking about forgetting Hillary.
I'd like to. But oft-asked "how did we elect this IDIOT?" has a very simple answer.
On August 29 2017 01:05 Broetchenholer wrote: I am not sure if this is just due to the fact that you were not prepared for a disaster of this proportion or if there was no preparation for someting of that magnitude. I remember the last really bad flooding in eastern germany and it was basically days and days of people fighting the dams to break. I haven't seen any coverage of people building sandsack dams.
I would find it interesting to know if that wasn't in the coverage i saw but happened or if it did not happen.
And if it did not happen, why not? I don't understand the concept of building paperhouses on faultlines, tornado zones and hurricane areas which seems to have happened here as well. Could this have been avoided if people had just tried before?
You are underestimating the amount of water they got and the amount of wind by comparing it to the German flood (which was as I recalled it due to a combination of increased melting of snow/ice and an above average downpour). Houson got more rain over the weekend than Denmark gets in 2 years (and Denmark isn't exactly known for it's dry climate as most people might now). It's damn near unfathomable how much water we are talking here.
The concept of paperhouses is a more widespread american thing and has to do with the american dream of a family house in a cul-de-sac with a white picket fence. Building cheap houses is the way to keep down housing costs. US houses are an impressive study in using space terribly.
to quote an article on my PC that i'm too lazy to find on my phone (damn work firewalls) so much rain has fallen on texas that 'you could coat the entire lower 48 in .17 inches, or the size of three pennies stacked.'
like obviously that number itself isn't impressive. but it's enough rain that you could splash around in the entire country
'in comparison to Katrina, if you took this rain and distributed it within new orleans city limits, it would be the height of a twelve story building.'
On August 29 2017 01:05 Broetchenholer wrote: I am not sure if this is just due to the fact that you were not prepared for a disaster of this proportion or if there was no preparation for someting of that magnitude. I remember the last really bad flooding in eastern germany and it was basically days and days of people fighting the dams to break. I haven't seen any coverage of people building sandsack dams.
I would find it interesting to know if that wasn't in the coverage i saw but happened or if it did not happen.
And if it did not happen, why not? I don't understand the concept of building paperhouses on faultlines, tornado zones and hurricane areas which seems to have happened here as well. Could this have been avoided if people had just tried before?
You are underestimating the amount of water they got and the amount of wind by comparing it to the German flood (which was as I recalled it due to a combination of increased melting of snow/ice and an above average downpour). Houson got more rain over the weekend than Denmark gets in 2 years (and Denmark isn't exactly known for it's dry climate as most people might now). It's damn near unfathomable how much water we are talking here.
The concept of paperhouses is a more widespread american thing and has to do with the american dream of a family house in a cul-de-sac with a white picket fence. Building cheap houses is the way to keep down housing costs. US houses are an impressive study in using space terribly.
to quote an article on my PC that i'm too lazy to find on my phone (damn work firewalls) so much rain has fallen on texas that 'you could coat the entire lower 48 in .17 inches, or the size of three pennies stacked.'
like obviously that number itself isn't impressive. but it's enough rain that you could splash around in the entire country
'in comparison to Katrina, if you took this rain and distributed it within new orleans city limits, it would be the height of a twelve story building.'
While an interesting fact I think you are not really helping any of us Europeans understanding how much water it is with your inches and pennies
On August 29 2017 00:58 LegalLord wrote: My god, Hillary Clinton just needs to disappear. The sooner we forget she exists the sooner we can properly move on to talking about how bad Trump actually is and - more importantly - what we can do about it. With Hillary choking the opposition for personal gain, we are still mostly stuck playing this stupid ass game where we're talking past each other trying to establish who is worse - shitty party A or shitty party B.
It's a bit rich that you're talking about forgetting Hillary.
I'd like to. But oft-asked "how did we elect this IDIOT?" has a very simple answer.
It actually doesn't, the election could have gone either way. Those who are eager to pin the left for what they don't like about the left will claim that Trump's victory proves some deep philosophical rejection of Hillary and the left. But there are myriad factors that go into a narrow electoral college victory. Trump doesn't know his asshole from a hole in the ground, which ends the discussion on which one is worse, before we even get to their positions on the issues. Republicans will support Republicans, which compels them to support the Iraq War, Sarah Palin and Donald Trump, and all elections will be close, probably won by the side that's more angry and motivated at the time.
On August 29 2017 01:05 Broetchenholer wrote: I am not sure if this is just due to the fact that you were not prepared for a disaster of this proportion or if there was no preparation for someting of that magnitude. I remember the last really bad flooding in eastern germany and it was basically days and days of people fighting the dams to break. I haven't seen any coverage of people building sandsack dams.
I would find it interesting to know if that wasn't in the coverage i saw but happened or if it did not happen.
And if it did not happen, why not? I don't understand the concept of building paperhouses on faultlines, tornado zones and hurricane areas which seems to have happened here as well. Could this have been avoided if people had just tried before?
You are underestimating the amount of water they got and the amount of wind by comparing it to the German flood (which was as I recalled it due to a combination of increased melting of snow/ice and an above average downpour). Houson got more rain over the weekend than Denmark gets in 2 years (and Denmark isn't exactly known for it's dry climate as most people might now). It's damn near unfathomable how much water we are talking here.
The concept of paperhouses is a more widespread american thing and has to do with the american dream of a family house in a cul-de-sac with a white picket fence. Building cheap houses is the way to keep down housing costs. US houses are an impressive study in using space terribly.
to quote an article on my PC that i'm too lazy to find on my phone (damn work firewalls) so much rain has fallen on texas that 'you could coat the entire lower 48 in .17 inches, or the size of three pennies stacked.'
like obviously that number itself isn't impressive. but it's enough rain that you could splash around in the entire country
'in comparison to Katrina, if you took this rain and distributed it within new orleans city limits, it would be the height of a twelve story building.'
While an interesting fact I think you are not really helping any of us Europeans understanding how much water it is with your inches and pennies
The NO comparison is insane though.
whoops. 🙈 it's only a few millimeters for sure. if the lower 48 is ~2x as big as europe, it would be akin to all of europe being covered in 8.5 mm of water.
yea there's nothing but actually seeing the results that can make these extremely large numbers actually make sense.
also please keep in mind, not directed at you but anyone reading, it's still raining. it's supposed to rain through wednesday. even waiting it out is an unrealistic option. at this point already people have claimed it will be months before some of these places are habitable again.
On August 29 2017 01:05 Broetchenholer wrote: I am not sure if this is just due to the fact that you were not prepared for a disaster of this proportion or if there was no preparation for someting of that magnitude. I remember the last really bad flooding in eastern germany and it was basically days and days of people fighting the dams to break. I haven't seen any coverage of people building sandsack dams.
I would find it interesting to know if that wasn't in the coverage i saw but happened or if it did not happen.
And if it did not happen, why not? I don't understand the concept of building paperhouses on faultlines, tornado zones and hurricane areas which seems to have happened here as well. Could this have been avoided if people had just tried before?
You are underestimating the amount of water they got and the amount of wind by comparing it to the German flood (which was as I recalled it due to a combination of increased melting of snow/ice and an above average downpour). Houson got more rain over the weekend than Denmark gets in 2 years (and Denmark isn't exactly known for it's dry climate as most people might now). It's damn near unfathomable how much water we are talking here.
The concept of paperhouses is a more widespread american thing and has to do with the american dream of a family house in a cul-de-sac with a white picket fence. Building cheap houses is the way to keep down housing costs. US houses are an impressive study in using space terribly.
to quote an article on my PC that i'm too lazy to find on my phone (damn work firewalls) so much rain has fallen on texas that 'you could coat the entire lower 48 in .17 inches, or the size of three pennies stacked.'
like obviously that number itself isn't impressive. but it's enough rain that you could splash around in the entire country
'in comparison to Katrina, if you took this rain and distributed it within new orleans city limits, it would be the height of a twelve story building.'
While an interesting fact I think you are not really helping any of us Europeans understanding how much water it is with your inches and pennies
The NO comparison is insane though.
There is no fighting or preparing against this much water imo. Your only option is to get out of the way and wait it out.
On August 29 2017 00:58 LegalLord wrote: My god, Hillary Clinton just needs to disappear. The sooner we forget she exists the sooner we can properly move on to talking about how bad Trump actually is and - more importantly - what we can do about it. With Hillary choking the opposition for personal gain, we are still mostly stuck playing this stupid ass game where we're talking past each other trying to establish who is worse - shitty party A or shitty party B.
I was surprised she went with the book and tour idea. Maybe if the book bombs, she'll get the hint?
On August 29 2017 01:05 Broetchenholer wrote: I am not sure if this is just due to the fact that you were not prepared for a disaster of this proportion or if there was no preparation for someting of that magnitude. I remember the last really bad flooding in eastern germany and it was basically days and days of people fighting the dams to break. I haven't seen any coverage of people building sandsack dams.
I would find it interesting to know if that wasn't in the coverage i saw but happened or if it did not happen.
And if it did not happen, why not? I don't understand the concept of building paperhouses on faultlines, tornado zones and hurricane areas which seems to have happened here as well. Could this have been avoided if people had just tried before?
You are underestimating the amount of water they got and the amount of wind by comparing it to the German flood (which was as I recalled it due to a combination of increased melting of snow/ice and an above average downpour). Houson got more rain over the weekend than Denmark gets in 2 years (and Denmark isn't exactly known for it's dry climate as most people might now). It's damn near unfathomable how much water we are talking here.
The concept of paperhouses is a more widespread american thing and has to do with the american dream of a family house in a cul-de-sac with a white picket fence. Building cheap houses is the way to keep down housing costs. US houses are an impressive study in using space terribly.
to quote an article on my PC that i'm too lazy to find on my phone (damn work firewalls) so much rain has fallen on texas that 'you could coat the entire lower 48 in .17 inches, or the size of three pennies stacked.'
like obviously that number itself isn't impressive. but it's enough rain that you could splash around in the entire country
'in comparison to Katrina, if you took this rain and distributed it within new orleans city limits, it would be the height of a twelve story building.'
While an interesting fact I think you are not really helping any of us Europeans understanding how much water it is with your inches and pennies
Here's the point of the Nazis vs BLM civil rights thing.
Suppose for a second that a hypothetical California called a state constitutional congress to amend the state constitution. And they added a line that said that the local electoral registrars had the right to disenfranchise anyone that they considered guilty of moral turpitude. And that the local electoral registrars, as a body, were comprised almost entirely by extreme left people who think that any Trump supporter is guilty of moral turpitude. And that the registrars are appointed by the system that they, and people who believe as they do, control.
xDaunt, Danglars etc would cry out that this is just asking for abuse. That the system is built to systematically disenfranchise conservatives. Now imagine that the president of that California constitutional congress actually said in his speech opening the constitutional congress that he was calling it to change the state constitution to deal with the threat of Nazis, racists, and conservatives, and forever ensure that liberal beliefs dominated in California. That in this case the naked abuse of the system is actually the stated intent for the use of the system.
Now imagine that they held a statewide referendum on the issue and that predominantly conservative parts of the state voted overwhelmingly for the new constitution, in even greater numbers than the number of registered votes in those districts. Can you imagine how they would react to that?
Well, you don't actually need to. Because that actually already happened. Only it was Alabama, not California. And it was blacks, not conservatives. And it's still being enforced. Black people are still being legally disenfranchised for life in Alabama by local electoral registrars without appeal or oversight in a system that was openly described by the author of it as a means to ensure white supremacy in the state. And Danglars already defended it as both constitutional and a state's rights issue and said that if the people of Alabama were unhappy with it then the people of Alabama who still had the franchise would surely vote against it.
This is why it's very suspicious when xDaunt, Danglars and so forth insist that nobody ever infringe upon any rights of white supremacists, not because they support white supremacists but because they'd never tolerate any kind of infringing of the rights of anyone for any reason. The status quo is not neutral, the status quo does not protect everyone's rights, the status quo is racist, and the status quo is built upon denying legal and constitutional rights to minorities.
That's what separates the right from the likes of the ACLU who will defend Nazis and the citizen children of illegal immigrants equally. When the ACLU defends Nazis people may be mad that they're doing it but nobody questions why they're doing it because it's been established by a very long track record that they defend everyone without prejudice. When the right show up to defend Nazis, not so much.
When the right stand behind their stated beliefs and support equal legal protections for every American then nobody will question why they're so eager to protect Americans who happen to be Nazis. But while they ignore millions of Americans but stand up for the rights of Nazis who happen to be Americans it's a little suspicious. If they want to be taken seriously as defenders of civil rights then they should broaden their defence to include non Nazis.
You might wonder why anyone would reason that a business deal in Moscow would help with winning an election in the US.
A business associate of President Trump promised in 2015 to engineer a real estate deal with the aid of the president of Russia, Vladimir V. Putin, that he said would help Mr. Trump win the presidency.
The business associate, Felix Sater, wrote a series of emails to Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, in which he boasted about his ties to Mr. Putin and predicted that building a Trump Tower in Moscow would be a political boon to Mr. Trump’s candidacy.
“Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Mr. Sater wrote in an email. “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”
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The Times reported earlier this year on the plan for a Trump Tower in Moscow, which never materialized. On Sunday, The Washington Post reported the existence of the correspondence between Mr. Sater and Mr. Cohen but not its content.
The Trump Organization on Monday turned over emails to the House Intelligence Committee, which is investigating Russian meddling in the presidential election and whether anyone in Mr. Trump’s campaign was involved. Some of the emails were obtained by The Times.
On August 29 2017 01:05 Broetchenholer wrote: I am not sure if this is just due to the fact that you were not prepared for a disaster of this proportion or if there was no preparation for someting of that magnitude. I remember the last really bad flooding in eastern germany and it was basically days and days of people fighting the dams to break. I haven't seen any coverage of people building sandsack dams.
I would find it interesting to know if that wasn't in the coverage i saw but happened or if it did not happen.
And if it did not happen, why not? I don't understand the concept of building paperhouses on faultlines, tornado zones and hurricane areas which seems to have happened here as well. Could this have been avoided if people had just tried before?
You are underestimating the amount of water they got and the amount of wind by comparing it to the German flood (which was as I recalled it due to a combination of increased melting of snow/ice and an above average downpour). Houson got more rain over the weekend than Denmark gets in 2 years (and Denmark isn't exactly known for it's dry climate as most people might now). It's damn near unfathomable how much water we are talking here.
The concept of paperhouses is a more widespread american thing and has to do with the american dream of a family house in a cul-de-sac with a white picket fence. Building cheap houses is the way to keep down housing costs. US houses are an impressive study in using space terribly.
to quote an article on my PC that i'm too lazy to find on my phone (damn work firewalls) so much rain has fallen on texas that 'you could coat the entire lower 48 in .17 inches, or the size of three pennies stacked.'
like obviously that number itself isn't impressive. but it's enough rain that you could splash around in the entire country
'in comparison to Katrina, if you took this rain and distributed it within new orleans city limits, it would be the height of a twelve story building.'
While an interesting fact I think you are not really helping any of us Europeans understanding how much water it is with your inches and pennies
Do you even rebuild the city? For people who remember our conversation about housing prices in Phoenix: Fuck it, forget Houston, don't rebuild it. Just move everyone to Phoenix for half the cost.
I like how The Trump Organization ends with “To be clear, the Trump Organization has never had any real estate holdings or interests in Russia.” like people will believe them at this point.
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