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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
August 07 2017 01:36 GMT
#166221
On August 07 2017 10:19 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2017 09:43 Slaughter wrote:
Every time I see Steven Miller on TV I wonder what he had to have done to get that job because he seems as dumb as shit. His "gotcha" moment with Acosta was pretty embarrassing for him.


Miller made Acosta look like a fool. Acosta resorted to quoting a poem ffs.


Lol Acosta was making some points then Miller went off the handle with his rant that made him look like a child.
Never Knows Best.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-07 03:29:07
August 07 2017 03:18 GMT
#166222
On August 07 2017 10:19 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2017 09:43 Slaughter wrote:
Every time I see Steven Miller on TV I wonder what he had to have done to get that job because he seems as dumb as shit. His "gotcha" moment with Acosta was pretty embarrassing for him.


Miller made Acosta look like a fool. Acosta resorted to quoting a poem ffs.

Though, to be honest, basing their immigration policy on a poem is no crazier than most Dem policy position supports these days. And Miller has been wonky on diving deep into policy nitty gritty under Senator Sessions (sometimes he'd do better to overview then respond in detailed manner if asked specific questions). I can't check for VODs until later in the week, but I want to see what positions he takes nowadays.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 07 2017 03:56 GMT
#166223
It seems trump did like millers performance cause he's considering making Scaramucci's replacement.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 07 2017 03:57 GMT
#166224
So Hope Hicks, 28 year old model, gets paid as much as Trump's top aids including Bannon, Conway etc. Suspicious? (wink wink)
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
August 07 2017 04:24 GMT
#166225
how does this help anyone other than people running the nursing homes?

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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 07 2017 04:41 GMT
#166226
On August 07 2017 13:24 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
how does this help anyone other than people running the nursing homes?

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/894299312737406976

That's a really bad and misleading headline. The rule change won't eliminate plaintiff's claims in nursing home malpractice claims. It just allows nursing homes to force them into arbitration instead. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Juries are a damned craps shoot, and arbitration is often a better process than civil litigation. The real advantage that nursing homes get from this rule is insulation from class action lawsuits. However, those are relatively few and far between when compared to the total number of malpractice claims.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44283 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-07 04:57:20
August 07 2017 04:52 GMT
#166227
They did the same with banks and mandatory arbitration agreements being enforced last week. Some amazing Republican lines on it. One of them argued that an arbitration agreement that requires both parties to go to arbitration if either wants to is totally fair because a customer could force the corporation to go to arbitration, even if the corporation wanted to form a class action suit. Another insisted that that because class action suits often generate small amounts of damages per participant compared to arbitration then class action suits weren't a deterrent to corporate misconduct, unlike arbitration which totally was. He explained that if you get $1,000 from arbitration or $10 from a class action suit then clearly $1,000 is higher and therefore worse for corporations and therefore the corporations putting mandatory arbitration clauses in their contracts and forcing their customers to not join class action suits were actually beating themselves so if you really hate corporations then you should let them keep their mandatory arbitration.

It's a real game of idiot or shill.
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
August 07 2017 05:07 GMT
#166228
On August 07 2017 13:41 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2017 13:24 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
how does this help anyone other than people running the nursing homes?

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/894299312737406976

That's a really bad and misleading headline. The rule change won't eliminate plaintiff's claims in nursing home malpractice claims. It just allows nursing homes to force them into arbitration instead. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Juries are a damned craps shoot, and arbitration is often a better process than civil litigation. The real advantage that nursing homes get from this rule is insulation from class action lawsuits. However, those are relatively few and far between when compared to the total number of malpractice claims.


I am not smart when it comes to the law but I do know that people do things for a reason. Even if the headline did not effectively communicate the policy it did effectively communicate the purpose. I cannot see a way that this was made with the best interests of the elderly at heart.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
August 07 2017 05:27 GMT
#166229
@xDaunt: If arbitration were a better way to go couldn't plaintiffs have done it anyway? It sounds like there's no advantage for plaintiffs in this change, only advantage for nursing homes that want to avoid class action lawsuits
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
August 07 2017 11:29 GMT
#166230
Arbitration pretty much always favors the big guy, as do forum selection clauses and most other contractual conflict resolution terms. Here's a pretty good, though clearly critical article on the topic.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-07 12:38:56
August 07 2017 12:38 GMT
#166231
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
August 07 2017 12:51 GMT
#166232
Hard to believe indeed
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
August 07 2017 13:08 GMT
#166233
Idk about that mister trump, I know many ex trump supporters as it is.
Life?
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
2005 Posts
August 07 2017 13:24 GMT
#166234
On August 07 2017 21:51 ChristianS wrote:
Hard to believe indeed


Throw out another random claim without a shred of evidence or reference. How can he get away with this?

He is probably not even "lying", just talking from his own experience of people kissing his a$$=more credible than fake polls.

Congrats on electing this guy!
Buff the siegetank
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
August 07 2017 13:30 GMT
#166235
On August 07 2017 13:41 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2017 13:24 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
how does this help anyone other than people running the nursing homes?

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/894299312737406976

That's a really bad and misleading headline. The rule change won't eliminate plaintiff's claims in nursing home malpractice claims. It just allows nursing homes to force them into arbitration instead. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Juries are a damned craps shoot, and arbitration is often a better process than civil litigation. The real advantage that nursing homes get from this rule is insulation from class action lawsuits. However, those are relatively few and far between when compared to the total number of malpractice claims.

Is it misleading? Perhaps. But I don't really see how forced arbitration help anybody other than those running the nursing homes.
Howie_Dewitt
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1416 Posts
August 07 2017 14:35 GMT
#166236
On August 07 2017 21:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/894518002795900928

Didn't he wrote The Washington Post in the last few days because they said ISIS is taking while he is president? Was that fake news too, or is bad news about him fake news?
Sisyphus had a good gig going, the disappointment was predictable. | Visions of the Country (1978) is for when you're lost.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 07 2017 15:52 GMT
#166237
At 7:47 a.m. ET Monday morning, President Trump tweeted this: "Interesting to watch Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut talking about hoax Russian collusion when he was a phony Vietnam con artist!"

...

Blumenthal had appeared on CNN's "New Day" right around 7:45 a.m. And, in the interview, he blasted Trump -- and defended special counsel Robert Mueller's ongoing investigation into Russian meddling into the 2016 election.

...

There has never been a president more obsessed with cable TV news -- and the tone and tenor of the coverage of his White House -- than this one. And it's not even close. Trump watches the shows closely, always looking for supporters and detractors -- fingers at the ready to call out hypocrites with a few taps on his phone.

This is who he has been his whole life. It's who he is now. And it's who he will be even after he leaves the White House. Tigers don't change their stripes. And Donald Trump watches CNN.


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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 07 2017 16:07 GMT
#166238
On August 07 2017 20:29 farvacola wrote:
Arbitration pretty much always favors the big guy, as do forum selection clauses and most other contractual conflict resolution terms. Here's a pretty good, though clearly critical article on the topic.

No, this is an overly simplistic and incorrect way of looking at the issue. Yes, arbitration clauses prevent class actions (which I already said). What's omitted from the analysis is what arbitration does in terms of cheapening access to justice for plaintiffs. Take it from someone who routinely represents personal injury plaintiffs: the formalities of modern civil litigation -- especially in professional malpractice cases (like the nursing home cases at issue here) -- are incredibly overbearing. Any case with a value that is under $50,000 in value is cost prohibitive to litigate through trial. Frankly, I think it is foolish to litigate cases with a value of under $100,000. For professional malpractice cases (like nursing home cases), you generally should be over $200,000 given the additional standard of care expert costs. Arbitration allows the parties to closely tailor the proceedings to the need of the case by many of the formalities of civil court, thereby reducing the cost of litigation, and expanding plaintiffs' access to justice and relief for claims. Given that the vast majority of claims are not resolved in class action lawsuits, these are good tradeoffs for most plaintiffs.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
August 07 2017 16:09 GMT
#166239
On August 08 2017 01:07 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2017 20:29 farvacola wrote:
Arbitration pretty much always favors the big guy, as do forum selection clauses and most other contractual conflict resolution terms. Here's a pretty good, though clearly critical article on the topic.

No, this is an overly simplistic and incorrect way of looking at the issue. Yes, arbitration clauses prevent class actions (which I already said). What's omitted from the analysis is what arbitration does in terms of cheapening access to justice for plaintiffs. Take it from someone who routinely represents personal injury plaintiffs: the formalities of modern civil litigation -- especially in professional malpractice cases (like the nursing home cases at issue here) -- are incredibly overbearing. Any case with a value that is under $50,000 in value is cost prohibitive to litigate through trial. Frankly, I think it is foolish to litigate cases with a value of under $100,000. For professional malpractice cases (like nursing home cases), you generally should be over $200,000 given the additional standard of care expert costs. Arbitration allows the parties to closely tailor the proceedings to the need of the case by many of the formalities of civil court, thereby reducing the cost of litigation, and expanding plaintiffs' access to justice and relief for claims. Given that the vast majority of claims are not resolved in class action lawsuits, these are good tradeoffs for most plaintiffs.


but if arbitration is truly the best idea in some cases wont those cases already go to arbitration? Can you think of times that the big guy (nursing homes/banks/ I am generalizing here) have wanted arbitration where the plaintiff did not that was actually a good idea for the plaintiff?
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 07 2017 16:28 GMT
#166240
On August 08 2017 01:09 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2017 01:07 xDaunt wrote:
On August 07 2017 20:29 farvacola wrote:
Arbitration pretty much always favors the big guy, as do forum selection clauses and most other contractual conflict resolution terms. Here's a pretty good, though clearly critical article on the topic.

No, this is an overly simplistic and incorrect way of looking at the issue. Yes, arbitration clauses prevent class actions (which I already said). What's omitted from the analysis is what arbitration does in terms of cheapening access to justice for plaintiffs. Take it from someone who routinely represents personal injury plaintiffs: the formalities of modern civil litigation -- especially in professional malpractice cases (like the nursing home cases at issue here) -- are incredibly overbearing. Any case with a value that is under $50,000 in value is cost prohibitive to litigate through trial. Frankly, I think it is foolish to litigate cases with a value of under $100,000. For professional malpractice cases (like nursing home cases), you generally should be over $200,000 given the additional standard of care expert costs. Arbitration allows the parties to closely tailor the proceedings to the need of the case by many of the formalities of civil court, thereby reducing the cost of litigation, and expanding plaintiffs' access to justice and relief for claims. Given that the vast majority of claims are not resolved in class action lawsuits, these are good tradeoffs for most plaintiffs.


but if arbitration is truly the best idea in some cases wont those cases already go to arbitration? Can you think of times that the big guy (nursing homes/banks/ I am generalizing here) have wanted arbitration where the plaintiff did not that was actually a good idea for the plaintiff?

Well, here's the rub: if there's no arbitration agreement between the parties, there's an added burden in negotiating the parameters of the arbitration. Throw this burden on top of the overall lack of creativity of trial attorneys and their desire to justify their existence to their clients, and you can get a sense for why there's so much inertia in the way of the development of alternatives to civil litigation.
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