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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43677 Posts
July 30 2017 15:16 GMT
#165121
On July 30 2017 23:10 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 17:25 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On July 30 2017 17:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 30 2017 17:01 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Democrats having affairs and stuff tends to end careers for some reason while it doesn't phase Republicans for a second. There's a definite double standard as far as that goes. Dems definitely have to stop giving a shit about any of that stuff.


I feel like there is one major Democratic figurehead that craps all over that idea. He's responsible for the nickname "Oral Office" if I'm not mistaken.


He ended up impeached, meanwhile like 100% of the Republicans involved in that witch hunt turned out to be having affairs themselves. How many wives has Newt had since then?

The Senate did not remove; ergo Democratic President survived impeachment after committing perjury on a famous affair. Wife runs for president some years later. Oops.

How dare a wife run for president after her husband received a blowjob from another woman!
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
July 30 2017 15:17 GMT
#165122
There have been some good signs at the state level for Democrats as far as election results, and even if they didn't snag any special House seats the actual way the candidates presented themselves in those elections they lost was a lot more persuasive than I think they're given credit for. If similar people continue to appear and the DNC doesn't spend billions running opponent attack ads to energize Republicans I think there's a lot of hope for the Democrats in both an electoral and messaging sense.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5936 Posts
July 30 2017 15:18 GMT
#165123
On July 31 2017 00:10 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2017 00:00 farvacola wrote:
On July 30 2017 23:55 micronesia wrote:
I really think after this administration, "but Trump" is going to be more objectionable than any of the other 'but' statements in recent years. Most people are going to distance themselves from him as though they never supported him, or stopped supporting him as soon as he started showing he was not suitable as president (despite whatever the reality might be but it doesn't matter).

This notion basically robs everyone who voted for Trump of agency while absolving them for their choice at the same time. There's a better way than "but Trump," but you're mistaken if you think Democrats are going to benefit from completely ignoring the rise and fall of Trump.

I'm ready for future "Even Trump supported an expansion of entitlement programs."

He used the Republican Party vehicle for his ascent to the White House, but as others here pointed out, he'd support single payer if it's popular and gets the moniker Trumpcare.

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stopped supporting him as soon as he started showing he was not suitable as president

Obligatory "only supported given the binary nature of US presidential elections" here (amazing how it's still relevant). Redo the election with a believable conservative dem or a brick and Trump doesn't get my vote.

Are you posturing for thread credibility or why wouldn't you wait for the 4 year report card to make that assessment, what went into that? Or have you been saying that the whole time but I forgot or missed it?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 15:32:12
July 30 2017 15:31 GMT
#165124
Danglars to his credit has only minimally supported Trump and has justified his vote on narrow grounds relating to the US presidential election system (which may be a simplification but it captures a good portion). I could never agree on a vote for Donald Trump, simply because of competence and standing for the US, but that seems to be his view.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
July 30 2017 16:11 GMT
#165125
I think the 2016 US presidential election just shows what our democracy has been reduced to: Monkeys throwing shit at each other. Whoever throws more shit that sticks wins.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 30 2017 16:15 GMT
#165126
On July 31 2017 01:11 riotjune wrote:
I think the 2016 US presidential election just shows what our democracy has been reduced to: Monkeys throwing shit at each other. Whoever throws more shit that sticks wins.

democracy has always been deeply flawed; it's just sometimes more apparent than other times. and of course it has its ups and downs, and has been on a downward trend for awhile now.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 30 2017 16:19 GMT
#165127
On July 31 2017 00:10 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2017 00:00 farvacola wrote:
On July 30 2017 23:55 micronesia wrote:
I really think after this administration, "but Trump" is going to be more objectionable than any of the other 'but' statements in recent years. Most people are going to distance themselves from him as though they never supported him, or stopped supporting him as soon as he started showing he was not suitable as president (despite whatever the reality might be but it doesn't matter).

This notion basically robs everyone who voted for Trump of agency while absolving them for their choice at the same time. There's a better way than "but Trump," but you're mistaken if you think Democrats are going to benefit from completely ignoring the rise and fall of Trump.

I'm ready for future "Even Trump supported an expansion of entitlement programs."

He used the Republican Party vehicle for his ascent to the White House, but as others here pointed out, he'd support single payer if it's popular and gets the moniker Trumpcare.

Show nested quote +
stopped supporting him as soon as he started showing he was not suitable as president

Obligatory "only supported given the binary nature of US presidential elections" here (amazing how it's still relevant). Redo the election with a believable conservative dem or a brick and Trump doesn't get my vote.

I doubt your claim that some other dem might have gotten your vote.
the way people actually think and vote shows a very strong trend of people simply voting for their "side" then rationalizing a reason afterwards. there's been a lot of research in the area and the effects show very strongly. Trump would probably get at least 40% popular vote no matter who he was up against. and I believe you'd be among those voting for the republican side no matter what.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 16:41:36
July 30 2017 16:21 GMT
#165128
I really think that Trump's not just ignorantly disruptive but deliberately so.

For example: Healthcare. He should want to simply put this behind him, and move on to something that he is more likely to succeed at, so he can claim victory.

Why's he not doing that? Because failure, at all levels, is what this is about.
So with healthcare: he either further stalls Congress from actually doing anything, or somehow they miraculously succeed in destroying healthcare for millions of Americans. If you don't like America: that's a win-win situation.
From a guy who lives in reality-TV world of marketing and personal-PR, Donald would logically move away from healthcare at this point, quick as can.

Just as he knows how bad it looks that he throws out foreign-policy over Twitter like an internet-troll. Donald Trump might not be smart, but no one is actually this stupid.

Some of this is too crazy to just be crazy. It's crazy like a fox: from the Republican-elected Russo-Manchurian Candidate. He's getting beaten around the ring like a wrestling-show -- yes, he's "losing", but that's actually kind of the point. The real losers are the people who paid to watch this stupid fakery.
Big water
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22132 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 16:46:28
July 30 2017 16:45 GMT
#165129
On July 31 2017 01:21 Leporello wrote:
I really think that Trump's not just ignorantly disruptive but deliberately so.

For example: Healthcare. He should want to simply put this behind him, and move on to something that he is more likely to succeed at, so he can claim victory.

Why's he not doing that? Because failure, at all levels, is what this is about.
So with healthcare: he either further stalls Congress from actually doing anything, or somehow they miraculously succeed in destroying healthcare for millions of Americans. If you don't like America: that's a win-win situation.
From a guy who lives in reality-TV world of marketing and personal-PR, Donald would logically move away from healthcare at this point, quick as can.

Just as he knows how bad it looks that he throws out foreign-policy over Twitter like an internet-troll. Donald Trump might not be smart, but no one is actually this stupid.

Some of this is too crazy to just be crazy. It's crazy like a fox: from the Republican-elected Russo-Manchurian Candidate. He's getting beaten around the ring like a wrestling-show -- yes, he's "losing", but that's actually kind of the point. The real losers are the people who paid to watch this stupid fakery.

No, Healthcare fails because the Republican party is deeply divided and the 2 camps are actually radically opposed despite being in a single party.
There is no plan that can combine the wishes of 51 Republicans, that's why it keeps failing.
The stupidity is in that they keep trying so publicly.

Trump doesn't give two shits about what gets passed so long as he can claim credit and it doesn't hurt him financially, bonus points if he gets to make more money off of it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 16:51:40
July 30 2017 16:51 GMT
#165130
I think Donald is actually so feeble minded as to dysfunctional. His campaign and presidency is an exercise in him watching TV and hearing about himself.
Azuzu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States340 Posts
July 30 2017 17:00 GMT
#165131
On July 31 2017 00:10 Danglars wrote:
Obligatory "only supported given the binary nature of US presidential elections" here (amazing how it's still relevant). Redo the election with a believable conservative dem or a brick and Trump doesn't get my vote.


Do you have anyone in mind you would have voted for over Trump that is a Democrat?
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
July 30 2017 17:03 GMT
#165132
Can anyone figure out any rhyme or reason behind Trump's capitalization in tweets? When he writes "the World is watching," what is the thinking behind capitalizing world? All I can think of is maybe he wants an intermediate level of emphasis between "world" and "WORLD," but he doesn't seem like a man to bother with intermediate anything
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 30 2017 17:10 GMT
#165133
On July 31 2017 02:03 ChristianS wrote:
Can anyone figure out any rhyme or reason behind Trump's capitalization in tweets? When he writes "the World is watching," what is the thinking behind capitalizing world? All I can think of is maybe he wants an intermediate level of emphasis between "world" and "WORLD," but he doesn't seem like a man to bother with intermediate anything


Could be Autocorrect.
On track to MA1950A.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11774 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 17:29:44
July 30 2017 17:28 GMT
#165134
Some languages (german for example) capitalize nouns. No idea why Trump would do that though.

Also, yes, autocorrect does weird capitalization. Which is kinda strange, capitalization in english is really simple. First word in a sentence and names capital, everything else not.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 30 2017 17:37 GMT
#165135
On July 31 2017 02:28 Simberto wrote:
Some languages (german for example) capitalize nouns. No idea why Trump would do that though.

Also, yes, autocorrect does weird capitalization. Which is kinda strange, capitalization in english is really simple. First word in a sentence and names capital, everything else not.


Yup, considerably harder in german to capitalise properly.

Small insight here.

https://orthografietrainer.net/service/faustregeln_GK.php

My bet still is autocorrect, mine (Sony) is off now because of weird capitalisation, and general dickishness.
On track to MA1950A.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 18:39:18
July 30 2017 17:39 GMT
#165136

I could imagine autocorrect wanting to capitalize World because it's part of the name of a lot of things that are capitalized (World Trade Organization, World Series, World Championship Series, etc.). And Repeal and Replace is at least kind of proper noun-like. But Cross State Lines doesn't make a lot of sense either way.

Edit: well this is sending me down a bit of a rabbit hole. I'm gonna collect weird capitalization tweets here in a spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +
HealthCare, Insurance Companies, Members of Congress
complete Healthcare
Great American...
...and a Great Leader
Failing @nytimes
a major Trade Deal

Okay I'm bored with this now, won't bother finding more.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
July 30 2017 18:04 GMT
#165137
Common you all know it's some sort of hex code for Russia motherland. /s or not?
Life?
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 30 2017 18:04 GMT
#165138
I can't be the only who gets nervous when Trump mentions "nuke option" in a casual tweet.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 30 2017 18:41 GMT
#165139
On July 31 2017 03:04 NewSunshine wrote:
I can't be the only who gets nervous when Trump mentions "nuke option" in a casual tweet.

There was an era where that shit would have crashed markets and sent entire countries into panic...
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 18:55:00
July 30 2017 18:49 GMT
#165140
I mean in context he clearly means nuking the filibuster, which is still insanity but not market-crashing crazy.

Speaking of, what do you guys think are the chances that the filibuster gets nuked?

Edit: My new theory, by the way, is that Trump uses capitalization like colored text in a Zelda game, to draw attention to the words he thinks are important. The autocorrect theory doesn't make sense to me because it seems very intentional, and because he hasn't gotten the wrong word almost ever.

It's also not impossible that he doesn't fully understand how capitalization is supposed to work. The guy is clearly not a writer.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
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