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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On July 30 2017 10:56 Belisarius wrote: It's worth pointing out that downstream of ABCD in your example are a whole series of transcription factors, up/down regulators, other hormones being synthesised/degraded and so on, and if it's anything like a normal pathway we don't even know what half of them are. I think it's fair to say that somewhere downstream of ABCD there will DEFG, and by correcting a lack of B with an artificial addition of B', you achieve levels of DEFG matching those in healthy individuals, and cessation of symptoms. It's not unreasonable to call that state normal even if an actual normal individual would not have B'. That said, I do think that "normal brain chemistry" smells a bit like a phrase invented by someone pretending they know what they're doing. That's probably why it's been over-quoted in the whole exchange. I mean theoretically, yes, you'd guess that somewhere down the line you usually start mimicking the normal process, because the outcome seems pretty similar. Even then the point doesn't change though - first because the sum of all the brain information is still abnormal for the presence of B', and second because if we imagine super-advanced science replacing all those natural pathways with synthetic ones that work just as well, the result would be "abnormal" but perfectly acceptable if it cured a disorder and its side effects were minimal. All of this seems to derive from conflating "normal" or "natural" with "good." We form value judgments about different possible worlds and intervene to try to achieve the best world possible. That may or may not be the same as the world that normally or naturally occurs absent our intervention. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 30 2017 11:05 farvacola wrote: He's still smoking a plant and there has yet to be a pure CBD or THC plant. Folks who literally want to eliminate the highness don't smoke flower and instead opt for dabs or edibles. It's a dumb point to get hung up on either way so yeah, if the world keeps spinning so long as he's not high, he's not high I guess Cute. Again i do know more than you. He's smoking Bedrolite, medical marijuana made in the netherlands. 9% cbd, maximum of 1% thc. It's like arguing that because i had a sip of beer i'm drunk now, and you can totally tell (although in my case that actually could be possible, the last time i drank something is decades ago). He's not "not high i guess", he's not high full stop. Like, i don't know what's there to argue, especially with the argument that you can see it in his eyes in like 144p or whatever that shit is. edit: @Belisarius brain chemistry is actually not the correct term either way, it's neurochemistry.  | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Imo normal/natural etc are useless words that should be banned from any technical discussion. Unfortunately they're also very popular. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 30 2017 11:12 Belisarius wrote: Sure, I agree. Imo normal/natural etc are useless words that should be banned from any technical discussion. Unfortunately they're also very popular. Natural, yes. Normal, or nominal, are essential to any technical discussion. It just means "inside parameters". | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On July 30 2017 11:11 m4ini wrote: Cute. Again i do know more than you. He's smoking Bedrolite, medical marijuana made in the netherlands. 9% cbd, maximum of 1% thc. It's like arguing that because i had a sip of beer i'm drunk now, and you can totally tell. He's not "not high i guess", he's not high full stop. Like, i don't know what's there to argue, especially with the argument that you can see it in his eyes in like 144p or whatever that shit is. edit: @Belisarius brain chemistry is actually not the correct term either way, it's neurochemistry. there are dispensaries here in the US that sell Bedrolite, it's not that special (really expensive though) and nor is your holier than though attitude. There are even easily searchable reviews of it where users recount at least some residual feelings of highness compared to pilled treatments, though many users say the feeling better matches the word "chill." | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 30 2017 11:16 farvacola wrote: lol, there are dispensaries here in the US that sell bedrolite, it's not special and nor is your holier than though attitude Never said it's special. I said, very clearly and multiple times, that this guy isn't high. Something that you diagnosed because the two pixels that are his eyes, and "how he smoked". After telling you that you don't know the entire story, but i do, you started to argue with me. There's no holier than though, i'm pointing out your bullshit - that's all. edit: lol, you're right, i can't be arsed arguing - he's the german equivalent of snoop dog. Schnuhp Dock, we call him. Got me. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On July 30 2017 11:14 m4ini wrote: Natural, yes. Normal, or nominal, are essential to any technical discussion. It just means "inside parameters". In a specific and correct sense, sure, but not always in biology, as we don't know what the parameters are half the time, and certainly not in popular discourse. If we're really going to do the semantics dance I guess I will amend my statement to "technical discussions between/with laymen". | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On July 30 2017 11:18 m4ini wrote: Never said it's special. I said, very clearly and multiple times, that this guy isn't high. Something that you diagnosed because the two pixels that are his eyes, and "how he smoked". After telling you that you don't know the entire story, but i do, you started to argue with me. There's no holier than though, i'm pointing out your bullshit - that's all. edit: lol, you're right, i can't be arsed arguing - he's the german equivalent of snoop dog. Schnuhp Dock, we call him. Got me. From what I understand, Bedrolite is really hard to roll into joints, so the dudes got some rolling skills at the very least | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 30 2017 11:19 Belisarius wrote: In a specific and correct sense, sure, but not always in biology as we don't know what normal is half the time, and certainly not in popular discourse. If we're really going to do the semantics dance I guess I will amend my statement to "technical discussions between/with laymen". Technical discussions between laymen don't need any boundaries, they're pointless most of the time anyway. I do understand though, and agree for the most part. From what I understand, Bedrolite is really hard to roll into joints, so the dudes got some rolling skills at the very least Well you got me there. I honestly have no idea, the last time i personally smoked weed was more than 20 years ago (and i don't know what that was called either, could've been actual weeds for all i knew), and had to have a friend roll it. Then i crashed, slept on some stairs outside for an hour, puked and was cured. To this day i get a bad feeling in my stomach every time one of our chavs here walks past me smoking weed and i can smell it. Worst part, it's actually in discussion between "my people", or people with my condition. And i know i can't use it. | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On July 30 2017 10:57 farvacola wrote: My dad developed a really strong taste for coffee around age 3 that he maintains to this day and it's his sole form of treatment for his severe ADHD. The paradoxical effects of stimulants can be pretty crazy. I currently drink between 8 and 12 cups of coffee throughout the day. Now I wonder.... | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:01 Ayaz2810 wrote: I currently drink between 8 and 12 cups of coffee throughout the day. Now I wonder.... I want to say if you have it there's a 60% chance one of your parents have it as well. Sometimes I think my parents have it and sometimes I don't lol. If I had to guess my dad has it since addiction runs in his genes. He's an alcoholic, his brother was and died from it, his father was. ADHD folks have a heightened chance of dependence on drugs and alcohol. Dad and grandpa are/were also coffee fiends. I wouldn't just say because you like coffee you've got it, that's pretty silly. But many people self medicate. Of course with online tests you can convince yourself you have anything lol. But check the other warning signs. My attention span is so short I've never in my entire life read a book cover to cover. It's not for lack of trying, it's not a good thing. But that's the kind of stuff ADHD entails. My attention deficit is so huge I can't read a book front to back. I never read a book through school, I bullshitted every single book report and test I ever took (though my English teachers always thought I was a great creative writer oddly enough). If you legitimately think ADHD has dragged your life down and you've got the symptoms talk with a doctor. This obviously isn't to say I don't know how to read or don't read. Things like this thread obviously take a ton of reading. Articles online, forums, games, etc all can take a lot of reading. Magazine articles and other short form things can be great. But retention is going to be a problem always and if I don't care I'll read 2 sentences and I'm now an intergalactic star fighter on a mission in my mind. I just check out entirely very quickly and my mind looks for stimulation elsewhere or makes its own up. If I REALLY need to read something or focus I have to go to the library that is dead quiet and I'll put on some white noise on my ear buds. I can't have any distractions at all, zero. My mind will take any distraction and run with it to free itself. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On July 30 2017 12:59 Doodsmack wrote: This guy Scaramucci's wife filing for divorce. He couldn't write a better movie script if he tried. It's possible she was looking to ditch him for a while, and his recent | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
pagesix.com Bonus points : it was the boy scouts speech. And page six is the new york post. | ||
KwarK
United States44197 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46231 Posts
On July 30 2017 13:56 KwarK wrote: He was still married to his first wife when his mistress (now second wife) gave birth to their first child and was in the process of divorcing her when she gave birth to their second. Family values party. Psh Trump scoffs at that level of infidelity, and Newt Gingrich goes "Wait wait wait, hold my beer..." | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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KwarK
United States44197 Posts
On July 30 2017 14:29 Nyxisto wrote: I'm pretty convinced one reason for the Obama hatred is the fact that he is the family man and representative of values that those guys have given up on a few decades ago. Apart from preaching them of course. You'd be wrong. The far right insist that Michelle is actually a transgender MtF, previously called Michael, and that the children are abductees. This is a real thing by the way. Big with the Seth Rich Clinton conspiracy crowd. as the youtube make clear, ancestry.com have no record of Malia or Sasha being born, which means that they do not have any ancestors, which means they must have been adopted To compound the issue, two Obama supporters, Martin Nesbitt and Anita Blanchard, had their daughters abducted. In Chicago. And their daughters just happened to be black. And Obama is meant to have two daughters. Coincidence? Unlikely. What are the odds of two children both being daughters? And both being black? When the parents just happened to support Obama? Alex Jones confirms http://www.truthandaction.org/is-michelle-obama-a-transgender/2/ You need to ask yourself the question, if Obama isn't gay, why is Joan Rivers dead? https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/search?q="michael obama"&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all You might ask why Obama has gone to all this trouble to marry a transgender woman. Well, it's obvious. He's gay. | ||
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