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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 30 2017 05:53 GMT
#165101
On July 30 2017 09:10 KwarK wrote:
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On July 30 2017 09:07 IgnE wrote:
On July 30 2017 09:04 KwarK wrote:
Do you think the government should have usury laws against interest rates that are too high? Or should people be able to simply read their contracts and choose for themselves.


i dont think drugs and psychoactive substances should be marketable products. i would ban most drug advertising.

but to answer your question yes there should be usury laws against super-exploitative rates

edit: I think I'm confused. You think psychoactive substances should be legal, freely available, but not marketed?
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 09:01 IgnE wrote:
for psychoactive components even taking something like HTP or st johns wort or velvet bean/dopa mucana should be allowed. yet these are all actually very powerful brain modulators

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On July 30 2017 09:07 IgnE wrote:
i dont think drugs and psychoactive substances should be marketable products.


yeah dude id love to be able to get some legal laboratory-grade LSD and ive never seen an advertisement for LSD in my life
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 05:56:59
July 30 2017 05:56 GMT
#165102
On July 30 2017 14:48 KwarK wrote:
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On July 30 2017 14:29 Nyxisto wrote:
I'm pretty convinced one reason for the Obama hatred is the fact that he is the family man and representative of values that those guys have given up on a few decades ago. Apart from preaching them of course.

You'd be wrong. The far right insist that Michelle is actually a transgender MtF, previously called Michael, and that the children are abductees. This is a real thing by the way. Big with the Seth Rich Clinton conspiracy crowd.

...

That seems like it supports Nyxisto's point more than anything else; these people can't cope with the concept that people on the other side of politics have a healthy family life so they make up some trash and descend to unreasoning hatred instead.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
July 30 2017 05:58 GMT
#165103
On July 30 2017 14:29 Nyxisto wrote:
I'm pretty convinced one reason for the Obama hatred is the fact that he is the family man and representative of values that those guys have given up on a few decades ago. Apart from preaching them of course.


Hardly. I commend the last two presidents on their family life, as much as I can see. But if you want to add another garbage reason for people not liking Obama (because he was just an indisputably good president) then go ahead.

The newreasons people come up with are hilarious.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
July 30 2017 06:55 GMT
#165104
On July 30 2017 14:48 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 14:29 Nyxisto wrote:
I'm pretty convinced one reason for the Obama hatred is the fact that he is the family man and representative of values that those guys have given up on a few decades ago. Apart from preaching them of course.

You'd be wrong. The far right insist that Michelle is actually a transgender MtF, previously called Michael, and that the children are abductees. This is a real thing by the way. Big with the Seth Rich Clinton conspiracy crowd.


as the youtube make clear, ancestry.com have no record of Malia or Sasha being born, which means that they do not have any ancestors, which means they must have been adopted

To compound the issue, two Obama supporters, Martin Nesbitt and Anita Blanchard, had their daughters abducted. In Chicago. And their daughters just happened to be black. And Obama is meant to have two daughters. Coincidence? Unlikely. What are the odds of two children both being daughters? And both being black? When the parents just happened to support Obama?


Alex Jones confirms

http://www.truthandaction.org/is-michelle-obama-a-transgender/2/
You need to ask yourself the question, if Obama isn't gay, why is Joan Rivers dead?

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/search?q="michael obama"&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all

You might ask why Obama has gone to all this trouble to marry a transgender woman. Well, it's obvious. He's gay.

I'm a little envious. Life must be so much more exciting for these people.
Or maybe it's so boring that this is what they turn to for entertainment. Hmmmmm.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44311 Posts
July 30 2017 06:58 GMT
#165105
On July 30 2017 14:58 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 14:29 Nyxisto wrote:
I'm pretty convinced one reason for the Obama hatred is the fact that he is the family man and representative of values that those guys have given up on a few decades ago. Apart from preaching them of course.


Hardly. I commend the last two presidents on their family life, as much as I can see. But if you want to add another garbage reason for people not liking Obama (because he was just an indisputably good president) then go ahead.

The newreasons people come up with are hilarious.


Eh... given the amount of blatant racism and hate that the Obamas received on a regular basis, I wouldn't be surprised if those same conservatives found it infuriating that the family didn't have actual dysfunctional drama and were actually a well put together, educated, loving, and eloquent family. Especially when contrasting the Obamas to many Republican leaders who are well known for infidelity and other private scandals (Trump, Gingrich, etc.).
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
July 30 2017 07:49 GMT
#165106
I don't think Republican politicians have worse family lives then their Democrat counterparts as there are plenty of sex/family scandals to go around. They just talk about Christian and family values much more.
Never Knows Best.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
July 30 2017 08:01 GMT
#165107
Democrats having affairs and stuff tends to end careers for some reason while it doesn't phase Republicans for a second. There's a definite double standard as far as that goes. Dems definitely have to stop giving a shit about any of that stuff.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
July 30 2017 08:15 GMT
#165108
On July 30 2017 17:01 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Democrats having affairs and stuff tends to end careers for some reason while it doesn't phase Republicans for a second. There's a definite double standard as far as that goes. Dems definitely have to stop giving a shit about any of that stuff.


I feel like there is one major Democratic figurehead that craps all over that idea. He's responsible for the nickname "Oral Office" if I'm not mistaken.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
July 30 2017 08:25 GMT
#165109
On July 30 2017 17:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 17:01 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Democrats having affairs and stuff tends to end careers for some reason while it doesn't phase Republicans for a second. There's a definite double standard as far as that goes. Dems definitely have to stop giving a shit about any of that stuff.


I feel like there is one major Democratic figurehead that craps all over that idea. He's responsible for the nickname "Oral Office" if I'm not mistaken.


He ended up impeached, meanwhile like 100% of the Republicans involved in that witch hunt turned out to be having affairs themselves. How many wives has Newt had since then?
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Six.Strings
Profile Joined July 2017
48 Posts
July 30 2017 08:34 GMT
#165110
Good lord that Alex Jones video is hilarious.

Well, it's hilarious until you open it on Youtube and read all those comments from people who buy that crap.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
July 30 2017 10:10 GMT
#165111
I doubt the people spewing that nonsense even believes in the crap they peddle. But hey, whatever makes you money, there's always people sucking that shit up. The more outrageous it seems the better, since real life is boring as fuck anyway. Kinda like religion almost.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 30 2017 13:04 GMT
#165112
On July 30 2017 19:10 riotjune wrote:
I doubt the people spewing that nonsense even believes in the crap they peddle. But hey, whatever makes you money, there's always people sucking that shit up. The more outrageous it seems the better, since real life is boring as fuck anyway. Kinda like religion almost.


That's the worst part of it.

Alex Jones doesn't believe the shit he's reporting. At least not all of it, i'm absolutely convinced. I said a few pages back that it's scary how well americans react to propaganda (maybe everyone, but in the US currently it's the most glaring due to recent events).
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 30 2017 14:10 GMT
#165113
On July 30 2017 17:25 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 17:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 30 2017 17:01 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Democrats having affairs and stuff tends to end careers for some reason while it doesn't phase Republicans for a second. There's a definite double standard as far as that goes. Dems definitely have to stop giving a shit about any of that stuff.


I feel like there is one major Democratic figurehead that craps all over that idea. He's responsible for the nickname "Oral Office" if I'm not mistaken.


He ended up impeached, meanwhile like 100% of the Republicans involved in that witch hunt turned out to be having affairs themselves. How many wives has Newt had since then?

The Senate did not remove; ergo Democratic President survived impeachment after committing perjury on a famous affair. Wife runs for president some years later. Oops.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 30 2017 14:48 GMT
#165114
Donald Trump puts the sexual impropriety argument in favor of the Democrats for the rest of eternity.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
July 30 2017 14:55 GMT
#165115
I really think after this administration, "but Trump" is going to be more objectionable than any of the other 'but' statements in recent years. Most people are going to distance themselves from him as though they never supported him, or stopped supporting him as soon as he started showing he was not suitable as president (despite whatever the reality might be but it doesn't matter).
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 15:01:01
July 30 2017 15:00 GMT
#165116
On July 30 2017 23:55 micronesia wrote:
I really think after this administration, "but Trump" is going to be more objectionable than any of the other 'but' statements in recent years. Most people are going to distance themselves from him as though they never supported him, or stopped supporting him as soon as he started showing he was not suitable as president (despite whatever the reality might be but it doesn't matter).

This notion basically robs everyone who voted for Trump of agency while absolving them for their choice at the same time. There's a better way than "but Trump," but you're mistaken if you think Democrats are going to benefit from completely ignoring the rise and fall of Trump.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 30 2017 15:05 GMT
#165117
On July 31 2017 00:00 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 23:55 micronesia wrote:
I really think after this administration, "but Trump" is going to be more objectionable than any of the other 'but' statements in recent years. Most people are going to distance themselves from him as though they never supported him, or stopped supporting him as soon as he started showing he was not suitable as president (despite whatever the reality might be but it doesn't matter).

but you're mistaken if you think Democrats are going to benefit from completely ignoring the rise and fall of Trump.

I certainly hope so. I will say that it seems like at least a few high profile Democrats are getting the message, including Schumer. If something comes of it then I will be willing to treat them with less hostility than at present. But in terms of concrete results that very much remains to be seen.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
July 30 2017 15:08 GMT
#165118
I'm seeing palpably beneficial changes in Democratic policy here among those racing for the upcoming Michigan governorship, but beyond that I'm not sure given shit like Hillary's pathetic memoir title.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
July 30 2017 15:08 GMT
#165119
On July 30 2017 12:15 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 12:01 Ayaz2810 wrote:
On July 30 2017 10:57 farvacola wrote:
My dad developed a really strong taste for coffee around age 3 that he maintains to this day and it's his sole form of treatment for his severe ADHD. The paradoxical effects of stimulants can be pretty crazy.



I currently drink between 8 and 12 cups of coffee throughout the day. Now I wonder....


I want to say if you have it there's a 60% chance one of your parents have it as well. Sometimes I think my parents have it and sometimes I don't lol. If I had to guess my dad has it since addiction runs in his genes. He's an alcoholic, his brother was and died from it, his father was. ADHD folks have a heightened chance of dependence on drugs and alcohol. Dad and grandpa are/were also coffee fiends.

I wouldn't just say because you like coffee you've got it, that's pretty silly. But many people self medicate. Of course with online tests you can convince yourself you have anything lol. But check the other warning signs. My attention span is so short I've never in my entire life read a book cover to cover. It's not for lack of trying, it's not a good thing. But that's the kind of stuff ADHD entails. My attention deficit is so huge I can't read a book front to back. I never read a book through school, I bullshitted every single book report and test I ever took (though my English teachers always thought I was a great creative writer oddly enough).

If you legitimately think ADHD has dragged your life down and you've got the symptoms talk with a doctor.

This obviously isn't to say I don't know how to read or don't read. Things like this thread obviously take a ton of reading. Articles online, forums, games, etc all can take a lot of reading. Magazine articles and other short form things can be great. But retention is going to be a problem always and if I don't care I'll read 2 sentences and I'm now an intergalactic star fighter on a mission in my mind. I just check out entirely very quickly and my mind looks for stimulation elsewhere or makes its own up. If I REALLY need to read something or focus I have to go to the library that is dead quiet and I'll put on some white noise on my ear buds. I can't have any distractions at all, zero. My mind will take any distraction and run with it to free itself.



Yeah I have an appointment tomorrow. I have also started drinking way too much alcohol. I assume it's self-medication, but I'm not a shrink. All I know is being drunk every day for several weeks is a serious problem. Gonna get that shit sorted out real quick, lemme tell ya. There has always been an appreciable difference in my ability to get things done when I was on meds compared to not. One thing I do know is that I was one of the kids who was absolutely diagnosed correctly.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 15:10:48
July 30 2017 15:10 GMT
#165120
On July 31 2017 00:00 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 23:55 micronesia wrote:
I really think after this administration, "but Trump" is going to be more objectionable than any of the other 'but' statements in recent years. Most people are going to distance themselves from him as though they never supported him, or stopped supporting him as soon as he started showing he was not suitable as president (despite whatever the reality might be but it doesn't matter).

This notion basically robs everyone who voted for Trump of agency while absolving them for their choice at the same time. There's a better way than "but Trump," but you're mistaken if you think Democrats are going to benefit from completely ignoring the rise and fall of Trump.

I'm ready for future "Even Trump supported an expansion of entitlement programs."

He used the Republican Party vehicle for his ascent to the White House, but as others here pointed out, he'd support single payer if it's popular and gets the moniker Trumpcare.

stopped supporting him as soon as he started showing he was not suitable as president

Obligatory "only supported given the binary nature of US presidential elections" here (amazing how it's still relevant). Redo the election with a believable conservative dem or a brick and Trump doesn't get my vote.
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