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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 30 2017 18:52 GMT
#165141
Zero.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45925 Posts
July 30 2017 18:53 GMT
#165142
On July 31 2017 02:39 ChristianS wrote:

I could imagine autocorrect wanting to capitalize World because it's part of the name of a lot of things that are capitalized (World Trade Organization, World Series, World Championship Series, etc.). And Repeal and Replace is at least kind of proper noun-like. But Cross State Lines doesn't make a lot of sense either way.

Edit: well this is sending me down a bit of a rabbit hole. I'm gonna collect weird capitalization tweets here in a spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +
HealthCare, Insurance Companies, Members of Congress
complete Healthcare
Great American...
...and a Great Leader
Failing @nytimes
a major Trade Deal

Okay I'm bored with this now, won't bother finding more.


Give up?? Give up!?!? What happened to winning all the time???
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
July 30 2017 19:31 GMT
#165143
On July 30 2017 23:48 Doodsmack wrote:
Donald Trump puts the sexual impropriety argument in favor of the Democrats for the rest of eternity.


Did we forget about all the Weiner jokes? People still trying to play the partisan game with who is worse? Lol.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 30 2017 19:32 GMT
#165144
I think there's a fair chance the filibuster gets nuked. I feel like the Republicans are in a position where it's kind of already gone, and the only reaosn it hasn't been nuked is there isn't an on-point need. i.e. the republicans won't nuke it until there's some specific piece of legislation of considerable scope where they need to nuke the filibuster to pass it.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 19:56:25
July 30 2017 19:55 GMT
#165145
On July 31 2017 02:37 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2017 02:28 Simberto wrote:
Some languages (german for example) capitalize nouns. No idea why Trump would do that though.

Also, yes, autocorrect does weird capitalization. Which is kinda strange, capitalization in english is really simple. First word in a sentence and names capital, everything else not.


Yup, considerably harder in german to capitalise properly.

Small insight here.

https://orthografietrainer.net/service/faustregeln_GK.php

My bet still is autocorrect, mine (Sony) is off now because of weird capitalisation, and general dickishness.


Aren't his Grandparents or grand-grandparents german? Maybe that's something he's seen as a kid in his parents or grandparents writing as they kept it for whatever reason and he thought it's cool, stylish or something like that?

haha, googled just to be sure and man this is funny:
A local council letter from 1905 informed Friedrich Trump -- who had become a United States citizen -- that he would not be granted his German citizenship back and that he had eight weeks to leave the country or be deported, German historian Roland Paul told CNN Tuesday.
He also claimed that Trump had illegally left Germany, failing to notify authorities of his plan to immigrate.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45925 Posts
July 30 2017 19:57 GMT
#165146
On July 31 2017 04:31 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2017 23:48 Doodsmack wrote:
Donald Trump puts the sexual impropriety argument in favor of the Democrats for the rest of eternity.


Did we forget about all the Weiner jokes? People still trying to play the partisan game with who is worse? Lol.


As was noted earlier by several people, only one of the parties runs on the whole "traditional family values + sanctity of marriage" mantra. Not to mention the fact that Weiner isn't even close to Trump or others lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 21:21:25
July 30 2017 21:19 GMT
#165147
On July 31 2017 03:49 ChristianS wrote:Edit: My new theory, by the way, is that Trump uses capitalization like colored text in a Zelda game, to draw attention to the words he thinks are important. The autocorrect theory doesn't make sense to me because it seems very intentional, and because he hasn't gotten the wrong word almost ever..

It's this, for sure.

A lot of tech-virgin granny/auntie-on-facebook types write that way as well, in my anecdotal experience. I don't think it's a conscious decision a lot of the time, though.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45925 Posts
July 30 2017 22:31 GMT
#165148
On July 31 2017 06:19 Belisarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2017 03:49 ChristianS wrote:Edit: My new theory, by the way, is that Trump uses capitalization like colored text in a Zelda game, to draw attention to the words he thinks are important. The autocorrect theory doesn't make sense to me because it seems very intentional, and because he hasn't gotten the wrong word almost ever..

It's this, for sure.

A lot of tech-virgin granny/auntie-on-facebook types write that way as well, in my anecdotal experience. I don't think it's a conscious decision a lot of the time, though.


Agreed. The only thing missing is Trump signing his own Tweets.

xoxo DPB
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-30 23:05:12
July 30 2017 23:04 GMT
#165149
Pretty sure Trump said in an interview he sends email "almost never" and during the campaign he at one point said all his tweets were dictated (and a Bloomberg report said he doesn't carry a phone back last June). I can easily see him saying to capitalize words when yelling at his intern because he doesn't understand you can use bold text on twitter (and I bet all the quotes are him literally airquoting or saying quote-un-quote).

Of course, those could all just be lies, like with anything Trump says. And it raises the specter of how he tweets at 3 a.m. (hopefully no one has to suffer through that), but it would explain that the unfiltered ones are so much more insane
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
July 30 2017 23:14 GMT
#165150
So the push from the White House is that the Senate doesn't get to move on to anything else until they pass something on healthcare. Sounded like he might be threatening a veto on anything else? Which sounds insane, but I guess it's his idea of getting more involved in the process.

It's funny how the only way Trump knows how to get involved is to threaten people with ultimatums.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
July 30 2017 23:17 GMT
#165151
On July 31 2017 02:39 ChristianS wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/891623821702295552
I could imagine autocorrect wanting to capitalize World because it's part of the name of a lot of things that are capitalized (World Trade Organization, World Series, World Championship Series, etc.). And Repeal and Replace is at least kind of proper noun-like. But Cross State Lines doesn't make a lot of sense either way.

Edit: well this is sending me down a bit of a rabbit hole. I'm gonna collect weird capitalization tweets here in a spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +
HealthCare, Insurance Companies, Members of Congress
complete Healthcare
Great American...
...and a Great Leader
Failing @nytimes
a major Trade Deal

Okay I'm bored with this now, won't bother finding more.

I like how he puts "The world is watching" in there, when the developed world is watching and saying "1. How did you elect this idiot? 2. How do you not have UHC yet?"
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14127 Posts
July 31 2017 00:56 GMT
#165152
On July 31 2017 08:14 ChristianS wrote:
So the push from the White House is that the Senate doesn't get to move on to anything else until they pass something on healthcare. Sounded like he might be threatening a veto on anything else? Which sounds insane, but I guess it's his idea of getting more involved in the process.

It's funny how the only way Trump knows how to get involved is to threaten people with ultimatums.

Its not funny because it shows that our national executive is an incompetent idiot.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 01:09:48
July 31 2017 01:08 GMT
#165153
On July 31 2017 09:56 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2017 08:14 ChristianS wrote:
So the push from the White House is that the Senate doesn't get to move on to anything else until they pass something on healthcare. Sounded like he might be threatening a veto on anything else? Which sounds insane, but I guess it's his idea of getting more involved in the process.

It's funny how the only way Trump knows how to get involved is to threaten people with ultimatums.

Its not funny because it shows that our national executive is an incompetent idiot.

Well, I've never met a competent idiot... which kinda makes your point redundant, but I agree completely.
Haven't really payed attention to the news today, so is his ultimatum not to sign the Russia sanctions, that were passed?
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9057 Posts
July 31 2017 01:09 GMT
#165154
On July 31 2017 10:08 thePunGun wrote:
Well, I've never met a competent idiot... which kinda makes your point redundant, but I agree completely.
Haven't really payed attention to the news today, so is his ultimatum not to sign the Russia sanctions, that were passed?

Never heard of idiot savants? That's not trump, just an example.
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 01:11:40
July 31 2017 01:11 GMT
#165155
I didn't say they don't exist, I've just never met one.
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
July 31 2017 01:27 GMT
#165156
On July 31 2017 10:08 thePunGun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2017 09:56 Sermokala wrote:
On July 31 2017 08:14 ChristianS wrote:
So the push from the White House is that the Senate doesn't get to move on to anything else until they pass something on healthcare. Sounded like he might be threatening a veto on anything else? Which sounds insane, but I guess it's his idea of getting more involved in the process.

It's funny how the only way Trump knows how to get involved is to threaten people with ultimatums.

Its not funny because it shows that our national executive is an incompetent idiot.

Well, I've never met a competent idiot... which kinda makes your point redundant, but I agree completely.
Haven't really payed attention to the news today, so is his ultimatum not to sign the Russia sanctions, that were passed?

Nah, supposedly he's gonna sign those. He just says the Senate isn't allowed to move on from healthcare until they pass something (Source). It's not clear if that's just advice or if he's gonna veto anything else, but Jake Tapper specifically asked "not even the debt ceiling?" and the WH budget chief confirmed, not even the debt ceiling.

The really crazy way this can go is if Trump says he'll veto any debt limit increase, so Republicans wind up having to give Dems a lot more concessions to pass a debt limit increase with a veto-proof majority.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 31 2017 01:31 GMT
#165157
On July 31 2017 10:08 thePunGun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2017 09:56 Sermokala wrote:
On July 31 2017 08:14 ChristianS wrote:
So the push from the White House is that the Senate doesn't get to move on to anything else until they pass something on healthcare. Sounded like he might be threatening a veto on anything else? Which sounds insane, but I guess it's his idea of getting more involved in the process.

It's funny how the only way Trump knows how to get involved is to threaten people with ultimatums.

Its not funny because it shows that our national executive is an incompetent idiot.

Well, I've never met a competent idiot... which kinda makes your point redundant, but I agree completely.
Haven't really payed attention to the news today, so is his ultimatum not to sign the Russia sanctions, that were passed?

nah nothing specific. I can't find a source right now but I think he just said that the healthcare repeal & place isn't dead and that senators should get back on it until something is passed because repealing ACA was an important promise to the voters.
So the thing you quoted is basicly the question if he'd ACTUALLY make serious with that but I highly doubt it. If the senate happens to pass tax reform and it lands on his desk he's not going to veto that or anything else. I'm also not sure he understands what he tweeted as ultimatum. Could just be "motivation" from his pov.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 02:08:26
July 31 2017 01:36 GMT
#165158
On July 31 2017 10:31 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2017 10:08 thePunGun wrote:
On July 31 2017 09:56 Sermokala wrote:
On July 31 2017 08:14 ChristianS wrote:
So the push from the White House is that the Senate doesn't get to move on to anything else until they pass something on healthcare. Sounded like he might be threatening a veto on anything else? Which sounds insane, but I guess it's his idea of getting more involved in the process.

It's funny how the only way Trump knows how to get involved is to threaten people with ultimatums.

Its not funny because it shows that our national executive is an incompetent idiot.

Well, I've never met a competent idiot... which kinda makes your point redundant, but I agree completely.
Haven't really payed attention to the news today, so is his ultimatum not to sign the Russia sanctions, that were passed?

nah nothing specific. I can't find a source right now but I think he just said that the healthcare repeal & place isn't dead and that senators should get back on it until something is passed because repealing ACA was an important promise to the voters.
So the thing you quoted is basicly the question if he'd ACTUALLY make serious with that but I highly doubt it. If the senate happens to pass tax reform and it lands on his desk he's not going to veto that or anything else. I'm also not sure he understands what he tweeted as ultimatum. Could just be "motivation" from his pov.

He must "hope" their performance improves.

+ Show Spoiler [MiniMooch shits and gigs] +
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-31 03:06:35
July 31 2017 02:33 GMT
#165159
On July 31 2017 00:18 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2017 00:10 Danglars wrote:
On July 31 2017 00:00 farvacola wrote:
On July 30 2017 23:55 micronesia wrote:
I really think after this administration, "but Trump" is going to be more objectionable than any of the other 'but' statements in recent years. Most people are going to distance themselves from him as though they never supported him, or stopped supporting him as soon as he started showing he was not suitable as president (despite whatever the reality might be but it doesn't matter).

This notion basically robs everyone who voted for Trump of agency while absolving them for their choice at the same time. There's a better way than "but Trump," but you're mistaken if you think Democrats are going to benefit from completely ignoring the rise and fall of Trump.

I'm ready for future "Even Trump supported an expansion of entitlement programs."

He used the Republican Party vehicle for his ascent to the White House, but as others here pointed out, he'd support single payer if it's popular and gets the moniker Trumpcare.

stopped supporting him as soon as he started showing he was not suitable as president

Obligatory "only supported given the binary nature of US presidential elections" here (amazing how it's still relevant). Redo the election with a believable conservative dem or a brick and Trump doesn't get my vote.

Are you posturing for thread credibility or why wouldn't you wait for the 4 year report card to make that assessment, what went into that? Or have you been saying that the whole time but I forgot or missed it?

I'm just looking at all the eminently liberal policies Trump supports now and I have enough wisdom to know Democrats will make that comparison in the future. Well Trump was literally Satan incarnate but at least he supported paid/subsidized childcare (to use as a criticism of a conservative primary candidate and how they're so extremely right wing). It's kind of a new thought from when I was comparing and contrasting the media critiques of McCain and Romney and Trump in the past.

His advising team has a few conservative or populist+mildly conservative minds, but I don't think they hold enough sway to influence him to a four-year C+ card. Gorsuch check, Ocare repeal fail, Border Fence rather unlikely as time goes on.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 31 2017 02:46 GMT
#165160
On July 31 2017 00:31 Doodsmack wrote:
Danglars to his credit has only minimally supported Trump and has justified his vote on narrow grounds relating to the US presidential election system (which may be a simplification but it captures a good portion). I could never agree on a vote for Donald Trump, simply because of competence and standing for the US, but that seems to be his view.

He's so damn unacceptable on everything but those narrow grounds. It was a close decision between skipping or throwing away my vote because I considered both totally insufferable. (And let's be real, California my vote doesn't matter anyways)
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