EPTObama was boring except for the benghazi and gun running thing
Now, that's missing quite a few things starting from the NSA scandal, renewal of the patriot act, drone abuse etc. I really, really like Obama, but lets call the cattle (kettle?) black.
US Politics Mega-thread - Page 8226
| Forum Index > Closed |
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please. In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. | ||
|
m4ini
4215 Posts
Now, that's missing quite a few things starting from the NSA scandal, renewal of the patriot act, drone abuse etc. I really, really like Obama, but lets call the cattle (kettle?) black. | ||
|
Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On July 28 2017 12:21 Nyxisto wrote: Even George Bush with the two wars going on seemed more normal than this. The day George Bush said that "so many gynecologists can not practice there love for women around this country" THAT day was more normal then this. | ||
|
TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
No way McCain doesn't pass this. He doesn't give a rat's ass about healthcare. | ||
|
ZerOCoolSC2
9064 Posts
On July 28 2017 12:24 m4ini wrote: Now, that's missing quite a few things starting from the NSA scandal, renewal of the patriot act, drone abuse etc. I really, really like Obama, but lets call the cattle (kettle?) black. The drone abuse is a hard one for me to give you, from a military standpoint. That was a lose-lose with the congress he had. I'll give you Patriot Act simply because he didn't scale it back as far as he could have. NSA scandal? Refresh my memory please? | ||
|
m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 28 2017 12:26 TheTenthDoc wrote: Interestingly, the states hit most by a 20% increase in exchange premiums because a larger share of folks get insurance off the exchanges almost all have Republican senators. This is because (obviously) they're the ones that didn't expand Medicaid. No way McCain doesn't pass this. He doesn't give a rat's ass about healthcare. That's what you get for tribalism (not you personally). I'm republican, he's republican - he's a dickhead and doesn't work for the/his people, but he still is a republican, so i elect him again. The entire system in the US would work considerably better and considerably more in favour of the majority (a real majority, not one like trump got elected with) of the people if you'd fricking punish your politicians by simply not voting for them. Sadly, realistically, that's not even an option in the US. | ||
|
m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 28 2017 12:29 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: The drone abuse is a hard one for me to give you, from a military standpoint. That was a lose-lose with the congress he had. I'll give you Patriot Act simply because he didn't scale it back as far as he could have. NSA scandal? Refresh my memory please? Mass surveillance on americans and people like Angela Merkel? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_on_mass_surveillance edit: In regards to drone abuse, drones are attacking in sovereign countries without mandate. There's no official (known) guideline for when a drone strike is appropriate. Being a "male around a certain height" can make you a drone target. And yes, that was confirmed by the white house. Imagine chinese drones targeting people who constantly make shit up like "global warming chinese hoax", and then ask yourself how the US would react. There's no military standpoint if you fly dronestrikes in Yemen/Somalia with no legal basis other than "we decided that these people are terrorist and we want them dead". edit: oh and the fact that most if not all these drones are being illegally operated from/through a german airbase. (edit2: lets stick with most, can't be arsed to check everything now) | ||
|
DarkPlasmaBall
United States46402 Posts
On July 28 2017 12:09 TheTenthDoc wrote: I hope Graham and McCain get raked over the coals if they end up voting for this bill post-conferencing despite it being a disastrous policy in their own words. Because this is literally the only things the Republicans can agree on, it seems. Honestly, McCain probably won't live very long after Obamacare is repealed and replaced/ not replaced. | ||
|
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
| ||
|
Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
| ||
|
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
| ||
|
m4ini
4215 Posts
| ||
|
NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On July 28 2017 12:43 Plansix wrote: It's gunna pass. This is going to be the legacy of Republicans, and of McCain. We're witnessing the moment where a political party manages to barely trundle its crippled ass to the edge of the cliff, so they can successfully throw themselves off and die. | ||
|
On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Hard to believe, tho, that after all this the Senate are going to pass literally the worst and most destructive version of their bill. | ||
|
ZerOCoolSC2
9064 Posts
| ||
|
xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 28 2017 12:03 Wulfey_LA wrote: Then where is he on the very current Healthcare debate? None of these trial balloons make it into policy debates, let alone laws. Bannon is a smart enough guy to argue policy (unlike DJT who has no idea what is going on). Bannon could be out there pushing these ideas. FOX would have him on at any time of day, as would CNN or MSNBC. The balloons never get past single tweet level of depth. Bannon is a behind the scenes guy. He is not trying to be the public face of anything. And it is unclear how much influence he is wielding presently anyway. But none of that has anything to do with his political ideology. | ||
|
ZerOCoolSC2
9064 Posts
On July 28 2017 12:31 m4ini wrote: Mass surveillance on americans and people like Angela Merkel? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_on_mass_surveillance edit: In regards to drone abuse, drones are attacking in sovereign countries without mandate. There's no official (known) guideline for when a drone strike is appropriate. Being a "male around a certain height" can make you a drone target. And yes, that was confirmed by the white house. Imagine chinese drones targeting people who constantly make shit up like "global warming chinese hoax", and then ask yourself how the US would react. There's no military standpoint if you fly dronestrikes in Yemen/Somalia with no legal basis other than "we decided that these people are terrorist and we want them dead". edit: oh and the fact that most if not all these drones are being illegally operated from/through a german airbase. (edit2: lets stick with most, can't be arsed to check everything now) Like I said, it's a military stance I can't move on too easily. I'd rather drones than my fellow servicemen/women have to go over there and deal with it. But that's my bias. NSA, I'll give you that. | ||
|
TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On July 28 2017 12:46 On_Slaught wrote: Not the end of the world yet if it does. Gotta see what the house does. Going to definitely be defections if only bc if the CBO report. Hard to believe, tho, that after all this the Senate are going to pass literally the worst and most destructive version of their bill. I don't think it's really the worst in a "consequences for the country" way, that goes to repeal and delay or the House version of the bill (which did all these bad things and more). This is bad in that it was drafted and unveiled two hours before it was voted on and was specifically called trash by three of the people voting for it, though. | ||
|
Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 28 2017 12:46 On_Slaught wrote: Not the end of the world yet if it does. Gotta see what the house does. Going to definitely be defections if only bc if the CBO report. Hard to believe, tho, that after all this the Senate are going to pass literally the worst and most destructive version of their bill. Nah, it's nowhere near as bad as the BCRA or original house bills were. Those medicaid cuts + tax cuts for the wealthy were insane proposals by almost any measure. This bill has moved massively to the left, and it's ironic that it's conservatives killing the conservative part of the AHCA (the individual mandate) | ||
|
Introvert
United States5028 Posts
On July 28 2017 12:49 Nevuk wrote: Nah, it's nowhere near as bad as the BCRA or original house bills were. Those medicaid cuts + tax cuts for the wealthy were insane proposals by almost any measure. This bill has moved massively to the left, and it's ironic that it's conservatives killing the conservative part of the AHCA (the individual mandate) That part is only conservative if think conservatism is just about balancing check books. | ||
|
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
| ||
| ||
