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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 18 2017 13:25 GMT
#162221
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 18 2017 13:30 GMT
#162222
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 18 2017 13:41 GMT
#162223
Hmm, advocating for repeal of the filibuster. This will go over well
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 18 2017 13:45 GMT
#162224
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 18 2017 13:53 GMT
#162225
Realistically the legislative filibuster should've been eliminated the second McConnell used it on his own fucking legislation. I'm fairly sure repealing it would hurt republicans more in the long run.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 18 2017 13:55 GMT
#162226
WASHINGTON (AP) — House Republicans on Tuesday unveiled a budget that makes deep cuts in food stamps and other social safety net programs while boosting military spending by billions, a blueprint that pleases neither conservatives nor moderates.

The GOP plan, authored by Budget Chairman Diane Black, R-Tenn., is critical to GOP hopes to deliver on one of President Donald Trump’s top priorities — a Republican-only effort to overhaul the tax code. Unclear, however, is whether GOP leaders can get the measure through the House. Conservatives want deeper spending cuts while moderates are concerned the reductions go too far.

Black announced a committee vote for Wednesday, but action by the entire House could be delayed by the ongoing quarrel between the GOP’s factions.

Medicare is the second largest mandatory program after Social Security, and the House GOP plan again proposes to turn Medicare into a voucher-like program in which future retirees would receive a fixed benefit to purchase health insurance on the open market. Republicans have proposed the idea each year since taking back the House in 2011, but they’ve never tried to implement it — and that’s not going to change now, even with a Republican as president.

The plan, in theory at least, promises to balance the budget through unprecedented and unworkable cuts across the budget. It calls for turning this year’s projected $700 billion or so deficit into a tiny $9 billion surplus by 2027. It would do so by slashing $5.4 trillion over the coming decade, including almost $500 billion from Medicare, $1.5 trillion from Medicaid and the Obama health law, along with enormous cuts to benefits such as federal employee pensions, food stamps, and tax credits for the working poor.

“The status quo is unsustainable. A mounting national debt and lackluster economic growth will limit opportunity for people all across the country,” Black said in a statement. “But we don’t have to accept this reality. We can move forward with an optimistic vision for the future and this budget is the first step in that process. This is the moment to get real results for the American people. The time for talking is over, now is the time for action.”

But in the immediate future the GOP measure is a budget buster. It would add almost $30 billion to Trump’s $668 billion request for national defense, which already exceeds an existing “cap” on spending by $54 billion. But while Trump proposed taking that $54 billion from domestic agencies and foreign aid, the GOP budget plan would restore most of the cuts, trimming non-defense agencies by just $5 billion.

All told, the GOP plan would spend about $67 billion more in the upcoming annual appropriations bills than would be allowed under harsh spending limits set by a failed 2011 budget and debt agreement and pads war accounts by $10 billion. And, like Trump’s budget, the House GOP plan assumes rosy economic projections that would erase another $1.5 trillion from the deficit over 10 years.

The measure, called a budget resolution, is nonbinding. It would allow Republicans controlling Congress to pass follow-up legislation through the Senate without the threat of a filibuster by Democrats. GOP leaders and the White House plan to use that measure to rewrite the tax code.

As proposed by House leaders, tax reform would essentially be deficit neutral, which means cuts to tax rates would be mostly “paid for” by closing various tax breaks such as the deduction for state and local taxes. However, the GOP plan would devote $300 billion claimed from economic growth to the tax reform effort.

But conservatives are insisting on adding cuts to so-called mandatory programs, which make up more than two-thirds of the federal budget and basically run on autopilot. After extended negotiations, Black would instruct 11 House panels to draw up $203 billion worth of mandatory cuts. But neither tea party lawmakers nor moderates are pleased with the idea. Conservatives want larger cuts, while moderates are blanching at voting to cut popular programs such as food stamps.


Source
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 18 2017 14:00 GMT
#162227
On July 18 2017 22:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/887295902964174851


Trump stumbling his way around foreign affairs, I see. Hope his voters have their fingers crossed.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 18 2017 14:00 GMT
#162228
On July 18 2017 22:53 Nevuk wrote:
Realistically the legislative filibuster should've been eliminated the second McConnell used it on his own fucking legislation. I'm fairly sure repealing it would hurt republicans more in the long run.


do you expect the republicans to be thinking long term? they spent most of the decade talking about how they were going to repeal and replace obamacare, and look where they are now. plus, the 2018 senate map is very favorable for them so they have minimal concern about losing their majority until 2024.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-18 14:10:09
July 18 2017 14:01 GMT
#162229
Diane Black has no idea how taxes work, and one look at her background explains why. She is potentially one of the least qualified legislators with regards to anything relating to the economy.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-18 14:21:36
July 18 2017 14:20 GMT
#162230
On the black appearance/afro in America topic. Colin Kaepernick needs to cut his afro if he wants to try and get back in the NFL. THE N.F.L. The perception of black folks and having to conform to white culture to be accepted is real af in America.

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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 18 2017 14:33 GMT
#162231
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
July 18 2017 14:37 GMT
#162232
On July 18 2017 23:00 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 22:53 Nevuk wrote:
Realistically the legislative filibuster should've been eliminated the second McConnell used it on his own fucking legislation. I'm fairly sure repealing it would hurt republicans more in the long run.


do you expect the republicans to be thinking long term? they spent most of the decade talking about how they were going to repeal and replace obamacare, and look where they are now. plus, the 2018 senate map is very favorable for them so they have minimal concern about losing their majority until 2024.


I doubt it's going to take till 2024 for republicans to start losing chairs. NJ is already looking like they're going full blown democrat in 2017. Trump is pouring 11 million of his own money into some state (can't recall, might be Arizone, still looking for article) in the west coast to help from losing another republican state, because they're already starting to swing democrat as well.
Life?
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7326 Posts
July 18 2017 14:38 GMT
#162233
On July 18 2017 22:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON (AP) — House Republicans on Tuesday unveiled a budget that makes deep cuts in food stamps and other social safety net programs while boosting military spending by billions, a blueprint that pleases neither conservatives nor moderates.

The GOP plan, authored by Budget Chairman Diane Black, R-Tenn., is critical to GOP hopes to deliver on one of President Donald Trump’s top priorities — a Republican-only effort to overhaul the tax code. Unclear, however, is whether GOP leaders can get the measure through the House. Conservatives want deeper spending cuts while moderates are concerned the reductions go too far.

Black announced a committee vote for Wednesday, but action by the entire House could be delayed by the ongoing quarrel between the GOP’s factions.

Medicare is the second largest mandatory program after Social Security, and the House GOP plan again proposes to turn Medicare into a voucher-like program in which future retirees would receive a fixed benefit to purchase health insurance on the open market. Republicans have proposed the idea each year since taking back the House in 2011, but they’ve never tried to implement it — and that’s not going to change now, even with a Republican as president.

The plan, in theory at least, promises to balance the budget through unprecedented and unworkable cuts across the budget. It calls for turning this year’s projected $700 billion or so deficit into a tiny $9 billion surplus by 2027. It would do so by slashing $5.4 trillion over the coming decade, including almost $500 billion from Medicare, $1.5 trillion from Medicaid and the Obama health law, along with enormous cuts to benefits such as federal employee pensions, food stamps, and tax credits for the working poor.

“The status quo is unsustainable. A mounting national debt and lackluster economic growth will limit opportunity for people all across the country,” Black said in a statement. “But we don’t have to accept this reality. We can move forward with an optimistic vision for the future and this budget is the first step in that process. This is the moment to get real results for the American people. The time for talking is over, now is the time for action.”

But in the immediate future the GOP measure is a budget buster. It would add almost $30 billion to Trump’s $668 billion request for national defense, which already exceeds an existing “cap” on spending by $54 billion. But while Trump proposed taking that $54 billion from domestic agencies and foreign aid, the GOP budget plan would restore most of the cuts, trimming non-defense agencies by just $5 billion.

All told, the GOP plan would spend about $67 billion more in the upcoming annual appropriations bills than would be allowed under harsh spending limits set by a failed 2011 budget and debt agreement and pads war accounts by $10 billion. And, like Trump’s budget, the House GOP plan assumes rosy economic projections that would erase another $1.5 trillion from the deficit over 10 years.

The measure, called a budget resolution, is nonbinding. It would allow Republicans controlling Congress to pass follow-up legislation through the Senate without the threat of a filibuster by Democrats. GOP leaders and the White House plan to use that measure to rewrite the tax code.

As proposed by House leaders, tax reform would essentially be deficit neutral, which means cuts to tax rates would be mostly “paid for” by closing various tax breaks such as the deduction for state and local taxes. However, the GOP plan would devote $300 billion claimed from economic growth to the tax reform effort.

But conservatives are insisting on adding cuts to so-called mandatory programs, which make up more than two-thirds of the federal budget and basically run on autopilot. After extended negotiations, Black would instruct 11 House panels to draw up $203 billion worth of mandatory cuts. But neither tea party lawmakers nor moderates are pleased with the idea. Conservatives want larger cuts, while moderates are blanching at voting to cut popular programs such as food stamps.


Source



Good luck. No way in hell this goes through.

Sooner or later people are going to realize the republican legislative ideas are hugely unpopular.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 18 2017 14:42 GMT
#162234
A new book details a fight that it says led Donald Trump to oust Paul Manafort, who served as chairman and, for a time, manager of his presidential campaign.

The book, "Devil's Bargain" by Bloomberg Businessweek correspondent Joshua Green, was previewed in the Daily Mail on Monday.

According to the Daily Mail, the book says a New York Times article led to the fight that precipitated Manafort's removal from the Trump campaign.

The Times article noted that Trump's aides used TV appearances to get their messages across to him because they found that more effective than communicating face-to-face.

The day after the article's publication, apparently at the urging of Rebekah Mercer, a Republican donor who threw her weight behind Trump during the election, Trump reportedly called a meeting with his top staff at his Bedminster, New Jersey golf club. The meeting, the Daily Mail said, included Manafort, Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, former Mayor Rudy Giuliani of New York, former Fox News chief Roger Ailes, and Manafort's deputy Rick Gates.

When everybody was assembled, Trump reportedly shouted at Manafort, "How can anybody allow an article that says your campaign is all f----- up?"

"You think you've gotta go on TV to talk to me? You treat me like a baby!" Trump added, according to Green's account of the meeting quoted in the Daily Mail.

"Am I like a baby to you? I sit there like a little baby and watch TV and you talk to me? Am I a f------ baby, Paul?" Trump reportedly continued.

The room then "fell silent," the book says, according to the Daily Mail.

A second Times article the following day appeared to seal Manafort's fate. The report, citing a secret ledger, said Manafort had been paid millions by a pro-Russia Ukrainian political party. Manafort had long worked as a consultant to Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, who was ousted in 2014 and now lives in exile in Russia.

Aides saw the Times report as the "kill shot" that determined Manafort would be forced out, the Daily Mail said.


www.yahoo.com

Yes, you actually are like a baby, Donald. It's why your responsibility over foreign affairs is so scary.

Wonder who leaked the Ukraine story...probably someone in the campaign. Trump's own people are behind a lot of leaks, because Trump's operation is a media driven shitshow.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 18 2017 14:49 GMT
#162235
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 18 2017 14:54 GMT
#162236
Obamacare may prove resilient due to the benefits it provided to people. No one wants to take those away. The only way forward is to adjust Obamacare.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4921 Posts
July 18 2017 14:59 GMT
#162237
Ah, there's a 2015 flip flop. Good work.

And of course it's hard to take government $$$ from people; this situation was predicted in 2013.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 18 2017 15:13 GMT
#162238
On July 18 2017 23:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 23:00 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 18 2017 22:53 Nevuk wrote:
Realistically the legislative filibuster should've been eliminated the second McConnell used it on his own fucking legislation. I'm fairly sure repealing it would hurt republicans more in the long run.


do you expect the republicans to be thinking long term? they spent most of the decade talking about how they were going to repeal and replace obamacare, and look where they are now. plus, the 2018 senate map is very favorable for them so they have minimal concern about losing their majority until 2024.


I doubt it's going to take till 2024 for republicans to start losing chairs. NJ is already looking like they're going full blown democrat in 2017. Trump is pouring 11 million of his own money into some state (can't recall, might be Arizone, still looking for article) in the west coast to help from losing another republican state, because they're already starting to swing democrat as well.


the senate is incredibly favorable to R's in 2018. they only have like 2 or 3 vulnerable incumbents, while the dems have like 10 seats which might be at risk.

first result i saw:
http://www.businessinsider.com/senate-races-2018-trump-primaries-map-2017-6

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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
July 18 2017 15:13 GMT
#162239
On July 18 2017 21:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
President Donald Trump pledged Monday to even the playing field for American companies, and to possibly even tilt it their way.

“It’s not fair to the United States, and that’s why I’m here. And I believe it’s one of the primary reasons you elected me and Mike — I mean, that’s why we’re here,” Trump, flanked by Vice President Mike Pence, said Monday at an East Room event celebrating American-made products to kick off the administration’s “Made in America” week.

“You’re gonna see one of the great differences, and you’re already seeing it, but it’s gonna get more so and more so,” Trump continued. “And we’re gonna end up having a level playing field. I don’t wanna say any more than level, but if the playing field were slanted like a little bit toward us, I’d accept that also.”

The White House chose this week to celebrate American-made products, inviting American companies representing each state Monday to allow the administration to highlight their “effort and commitment to” products manufactured domestically. Some brands, including Campbell’s Soup and Caterpillar, have representatives on the president’s business advisory council.

The latest theme, however, brought renewed emphasis to the president and first daughter’s respective businesses, which manufacture products abroad, accentuating a disconnect between the messenger and the message.

White House press secretary Sean Spicer told reporters during an off-camera briefing earlier Monday that “it’s inappropriate to discuss how anything would affect their own companies,” calling it “a little out of bounds.” But he nevertheless touted the president’s business acumen, hailing him as “a very successful businessman” who is uniquely positioned to relate to American business owners.

Trump opened his remarks by recalling how a man in charge of Omaha beef received him. The U.S. reached a deal last month allowing U.S. exports of beef to China.

“He hugged me,” Trump remarked. “He wanted to kiss me so badly because, he said: ‘Our business is a whole different business now because you got China approved. The other administrations couldn’t even come close.’”

Trump’s relatively brief remarks were largely a celebration of American companies as well as a celebration of his administration — in addition to his off-cuff comments. He claimed to have signed more bills than any president before him and praised executives who have “built names” he’s known of for a long time, much like he did.

“What a great job you’ve done,” Trump told one familiar face from the dais. “Thank you very much — and I saw you on television this morning. You were fantastic. I don’t know what you’re doing exactly, but you could always have a second career. You did a great job.”

He also vowed that the U.S. will no longer allow countries to break rules, steal American jobs and drain the nation’s wealth, promising “a lot of things” over the next six months, including, he said, “things announced that you won’t even believe.” He provided no details but suggested changes will occur “really quickly” because “the hard part is done.”

The administration’s emphasis on products made in America comes as the Senate delays voting on an Obamacare repeal deal, granting Arizona Sen. John McCain time to recover from surgery.

“I can tell you, we hope John McCain gets better very soon because we miss him. He’s a crusty voice in Washington. Plus, we need his vote,” Trump said, prompting laughter from attendees. “We need that vote, and we need a number of votes because we do have to repeal Obamacare, and we will end up replacing it with something that is going to be outstanding — far, far better than failing Obamacare.”

Trump and Pence visited a number of heavy machines that decorated the South Lawn before delivering remarks. The U.S. machinery included a yacht, a fork lift, an excavator and even a fire truck.

“I saw some incredible machinery,” Trump later noted.

Before the event, though, reporters observed Trump interacting with a fire engine. “Where’s the fire?” he asked Pence, who held open the door to the truck as the president climbed inside. “I’ll put it out.”


Source

He's so articulate with his words.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
July 18 2017 15:19 GMT
#162240
On July 19 2017 00:13 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2017 23:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On July 18 2017 23:00 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 18 2017 22:53 Nevuk wrote:
Realistically the legislative filibuster should've been eliminated the second McConnell used it on his own fucking legislation. I'm fairly sure repealing it would hurt republicans more in the long run.


do you expect the republicans to be thinking long term? they spent most of the decade talking about how they were going to repeal and replace obamacare, and look where they are now. plus, the 2018 senate map is very favorable for them so they have minimal concern about losing their majority until 2024.


I doubt it's going to take till 2024 for republicans to start losing chairs. NJ is already looking like they're going full blown democrat in 2017. Trump is pouring 11 million of his own money into some state (can't recall, might be Arizone, still looking for article) in the west coast to help from losing another republican state, because they're already starting to swing democrat as well.


the senate is incredibly favorable to R's in 2018. they only have like 2 or 3 vulnerable incumbents, while the dems have like 10 seats which might be at risk.

first result i saw:
http://www.businessinsider.com/senate-races-2018-trump-primaries-map-2017-6


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