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Calling for “all hands on deck” to assist the economy, President Barack Obama is urging his Cabinet to identify ways to keep his administration relevant to people struggling in the up-and-down recovery.
With two weeks left before delivering an economy-focused State of the Union address to Congress, Obama is picking up the pace of his jobs message and demonstrating how he can advance his economic agenda administratively and through his ability to coax action from important interest groups.
“We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone,” Obama said Tuesday as he convened his first Cabinet meeting of the year.
Obama continued: ”And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”
Why wait for legislative action when you're in the executive with a pen and a phone?
This president has zero respect for the system. Swore an oath to uphold the Constitution but tramples all over it. Yet he is cheered on by his side for "taking action" and "doing the right thing" against those "terrorists, the Republicans."
The same lefties that call for more rules and regulations on private citizens and private entities advocate the expansion of the "fourth branch of government," the administrative state. They wish to grant their leaders with more and more executive power to use at their own discretion, outside the confines of already existing rules. It's schizophrenic.
The person who adopts these two ideas at once is either in a state of contradiction with themselves or is incredibly naive.
And they are the very ones turning their analysis on its tail when a Republican takes the presidency. Gotta compromise, gotta reach across the aisle, gotta reach consensus. It's okay passing Obamacare without a single Democratic vote ... Democrats are in charge, ideologically aligned with progressives. It's not okay passing the Patriot Act with large Republican majorities. (Heck can you even imagine Bush changing the effects of the Patriot Act or even TARP 1 with a stroke of his pen, as Obama has done over a dozen times with PPACA. There would have been widespread calls for his resignation. Changing laws is constitutionally in the power of the legislative branch.)
Calling for “all hands on deck” to assist the economy, President Barack Obama is urging his Cabinet to identify ways to keep his administration relevant to people struggling in the up-and-down recovery.
With two weeks left before delivering an economy-focused State of the Union address to Congress, Obama is picking up the pace of his jobs message and demonstrating how he can advance his economic agenda administratively and through his ability to coax action from important interest groups.
“We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone,” Obama said Tuesday as he convened his first Cabinet meeting of the year.
Obama continued: ”And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”
Why wait for legislative action when you're in the executive with a pen and a phone?
This president has zero respect for the system. Swore an oath to uphold the Constitution but tramples all over it. Yet he is cheered on by his side for "taking action" and "doing the right thing" against those "terrorists, the Republicans."
The same lefties that call for more rules and regulations on private citizens and private entities advocate the expansion of the "fourth branch of government," the administrative state. They wish to grant their leaders with more and more executive power to use at their own discretion, outside the confines of already existing rules. It's schizophrenic.
The person who adopts these two ideas at once is either in a state of contradiction with themselves or is incredibly naive.
And they are the very ones turning their analysis on its tail when a Republican takes the presidency. Gotta compromise, gotta reach across the aisle, gotta reach consensus. It's okay passing Obamacare without a single Democratic vote ... Democrats are in charge, ideologically aligned with progressives. It's not okay passing the Patriot Act with large Republican majorities. (Heck can you even imagine Bush changing the effects of the Patriot Act or even TARP 1 with a stroke of his pen, as Obama has done over a dozen times with PPACA. There would have been widespread calls for his resignation. Changing laws is constitutionally in the power of the legislative branch.)
You do realize what I wrote was about changing past laws with a stroke of a pen ... executive orders and agency directives. Because it didn't happen with Bush. Liberal Democrats just better at pushing the limits of the presidency and postponing/lessening backlash.
shareholders is a part of the absentee ownership property regime. it's not an administrative structure rather it is a capitalization structure, so to speak.
to manage corporate responsibility look for actual laws governing them and stronger government by popular rather than monied interest
Calling for “all hands on deck” to assist the economy, President Barack Obama is urging his Cabinet to identify ways to keep his administration relevant to people struggling in the up-and-down recovery.
With two weeks left before delivering an economy-focused State of the Union address to Congress, Obama is picking up the pace of his jobs message and demonstrating how he can advance his economic agenda administratively and through his ability to coax action from important interest groups.
“We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone,” Obama said Tuesday as he convened his first Cabinet meeting of the year.
Obama continued: ”And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”
Why wait for legislative action when you're in the executive with a pen and a phone?
This president has zero respect for the system. Swore an oath to uphold the Constitution but tramples all over it. Yet he is cheered on by his side for "taking action" and "doing the right thing" against those "terrorists, the Republicans."
The same lefties that call for more rules and regulations on private citizens and private entities advocate the expansion of the "fourth branch of government," the administrative state. They wish to grant their leaders with more and more executive power to use at their own discretion, outside the confines of already existing rules. It's schizophrenic.
The person who adopts these two ideas at once is either in a state of contradiction with themselves or is incredibly naive.
And they are the very ones turning their analysis on its tail when a Republican takes the presidency. Gotta compromise, gotta reach across the aisle, gotta reach consensus. It's okay passing Obamacare without a single Democratic vote ... Democrats are in charge, ideologically aligned with progressives. It's not okay passing the Patriot Act with large Republican majorities. (Heck can you even imagine Bush changing the effects of the Patriot Act or even TARP 1 with a stroke of his pen, as Obama has done over a dozen times with PPACA. There would have been widespread calls for his resignation. Changing laws is constitutionally in the power of the legislative branch.)
You do realize what I wrote was about changing past laws with a stroke of a pen ... executive orders and agency directives. Because it didn't happen with Bush. Liberal Democrats just better at pushing the limits of the presidency and postponing/lessening backlash.
Wait, are you asserting that the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 authorized the transfer of money to GM and Chrysler? that GM and Chrysler qualify as financial institutions?
Calling for “all hands on deck” to assist the economy, President Barack Obama is urging his Cabinet to identify ways to keep his administration relevant to people struggling in the up-and-down recovery.
With two weeks left before delivering an economy-focused State of the Union address to Congress, Obama is picking up the pace of his jobs message and demonstrating how he can advance his economic agenda administratively and through his ability to coax action from important interest groups.
“We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone,” Obama said Tuesday as he convened his first Cabinet meeting of the year.
Obama continued: ”And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”
Why wait for legislative action when you're in the executive with a pen and a phone?
This president has zero respect for the system. Swore an oath to uphold the Constitution but tramples all over it. Yet he is cheered on by his side for "taking action" and "doing the right thing" against those "terrorists, the Republicans."
The same lefties that call for more rules and regulations on private citizens and private entities advocate the expansion of the "fourth branch of government," the administrative state. They wish to grant their leaders with more and more executive power to use at their own discretion, outside the confines of already existing rules. It's schizophrenic.
The person who adopts these two ideas at once is either in a state of contradiction with themselves or is incredibly naive.
And they are the very ones turning their analysis on its tail when a Republican takes the presidency. Gotta compromise, gotta reach across the aisle, gotta reach consensus. It's okay passing Obamacare without a single Democratic vote ... Democrats are in charge, ideologically aligned with progressives. It's not okay passing the Patriot Act with large Republican majorities. (Heck can you even imagine Bush changing the effects of the Patriot Act or even TARP 1 with a stroke of his pen, as Obama has done over a dozen times with PPACA. There would have been widespread calls for his resignation. Changing laws is constitutionally in the power of the legislative branch.)
You do realize what I wrote was about changing past laws with a stroke of a pen ... executive orders and agency directives. Because it didn't happen with Bush. Liberal Democrats just better at pushing the limits of the presidency and postponing/lessening backlash.
Wait, are you asserting that the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 authorized the transfer of money to GM and Chrysler? that GM and Chrysler qualify as financial institutions?
If they had more money invested in financial instruments than they had making cars why wouldn't they be financial institutions?
Calling for “all hands on deck” to assist the economy, President Barack Obama is urging his Cabinet to identify ways to keep his administration relevant to people struggling in the up-and-down recovery.
With two weeks left before delivering an economy-focused State of the Union address to Congress, Obama is picking up the pace of his jobs message and demonstrating how he can advance his economic agenda administratively and through his ability to coax action from important interest groups.
“We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone,” Obama said Tuesday as he convened his first Cabinet meeting of the year.
Obama continued: ”And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”
Why wait for legislative action when you're in the executive with a pen and a phone?
This president has zero respect for the system. Swore an oath to uphold the Constitution but tramples all over it. Yet he is cheered on by his side for "taking action" and "doing the right thing" against those "terrorists, the Republicans."
The same lefties that call for more rules and regulations on private citizens and private entities advocate the expansion of the "fourth branch of government," the administrative state. They wish to grant their leaders with more and more executive power to use at their own discretion, outside the confines of already existing rules. It's schizophrenic.
The person who adopts these two ideas at once is either in a state of contradiction with themselves or is incredibly naive.
And they are the very ones turning their analysis on its tail when a Republican takes the presidency. Gotta compromise, gotta reach across the aisle, gotta reach consensus. It's okay passing Obamacare without a single Democratic vote ... Democrats are in charge, ideologically aligned with progressives. It's not okay passing the Patriot Act with large Republican majorities. (Heck can you even imagine Bush changing the effects of the Patriot Act or even TARP 1 with a stroke of his pen, as Obama has done over a dozen times with PPACA. There would have been widespread calls for his resignation. Changing laws is constitutionally in the power of the legislative branch.)
You do realize what I wrote was about changing past laws with a stroke of a pen ... executive orders and agency directives. Because it didn't happen with Bush. Liberal Democrats just better at pushing the limits of the presidency and postponing/lessening backlash.
Uhhh... there are a large number of XOs that are and remain classified.
Calling for “all hands on deck” to assist the economy, President Barack Obama is urging his Cabinet to identify ways to keep his administration relevant to people struggling in the up-and-down recovery.
With two weeks left before delivering an economy-focused State of the Union address to Congress, Obama is picking up the pace of his jobs message and demonstrating how he can advance his economic agenda administratively and through his ability to coax action from important interest groups.
“We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone,” Obama said Tuesday as he convened his first Cabinet meeting of the year.
Obama continued: ”And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”
Why wait for legislative action when you're in the executive with a pen and a phone?
This president has zero respect for the system. Swore an oath to uphold the Constitution but tramples all over it. Yet he is cheered on by his side for "taking action" and "doing the right thing" against those "terrorists, the Republicans."
The same lefties that call for more rules and regulations on private citizens and private entities advocate the expansion of the "fourth branch of government," the administrative state. They wish to grant their leaders with more and more executive power to use at their own discretion, outside the confines of already existing rules. It's schizophrenic.
The person who adopts these two ideas at once is either in a state of contradiction with themselves or is incredibly naive.
And they are the very ones turning their analysis on its tail when a Republican takes the presidency. Gotta compromise, gotta reach across the aisle, gotta reach consensus. It's okay passing Obamacare without a single Democratic vote ... Democrats are in charge, ideologically aligned with progressives. It's not okay passing the Patriot Act with large Republican majorities. (Heck can you even imagine Bush changing the effects of the Patriot Act or even TARP 1 with a stroke of his pen, as Obama has done over a dozen times with PPACA. There would have been widespread calls for his resignation. Changing laws is constitutionally in the power of the legislative branch.)
You do realize what I wrote was about changing past laws with a stroke of a pen ... executive orders and agency directives. Because it didn't happen with Bush. Liberal Democrats just better at pushing the limits of the presidency and postponing/lessening backlash.
Uhhh... there are a large number of XOs that are and remain classified.
And we are just supposed to assume that these classified executive orders, if they were de-classified, would support your opinion that "Bush did it too!" because... well, basically because you would prefer that we assume that.
Bush didn't do what Obama has done with "transitional authority" and "enforcement discretion" no matter how much you really, really, really wish he did. The first thing the next Republican president is going to do - and sorry ladies, there is going to be one, sooner or later - is take apart Obamacare piece by piece, unilaterally, with strokes of his (or her!) pen, and when you go apeshit over it, he's going to put on his trollface and mention Barack Obama, and there's going to be fuck-all to be done about it.
uh I have no horse here stop assuming. all im saying that assuming any president hasnt done such and such with the xo power is partisan naivete when the large majority of them are classified
this goes far beyond your petty and insignificant partisan bickering. im talking about the executive oder as a tool on its own.
Calling for “all hands on deck” to assist the economy, President Barack Obama is urging his Cabinet to identify ways to keep his administration relevant to people struggling in the up-and-down recovery.
With two weeks left before delivering an economy-focused State of the Union address to Congress, Obama is picking up the pace of his jobs message and demonstrating how he can advance his economic agenda administratively and through his ability to coax action from important interest groups.
“We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone,” Obama said Tuesday as he convened his first Cabinet meeting of the year.
Obama continued: ”And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”
Why wait for legislative action when you're in the executive with a pen and a phone?
This president has zero respect for the system. Swore an oath to uphold the Constitution but tramples all over it. Yet he is cheered on by his side for "taking action" and "doing the right thing" against those "terrorists, the Republicans."
The same lefties that call for more rules and regulations on private citizens and private entities advocate the expansion of the "fourth branch of government," the administrative state. They wish to grant their leaders with more and more executive power to use at their own discretion, outside the confines of already existing rules. It's schizophrenic.
The person who adopts these two ideas at once is either in a state of contradiction with themselves or is incredibly naive.
And they are the very ones turning their analysis on its tail when a Republican takes the presidency. Gotta compromise, gotta reach across the aisle, gotta reach consensus. It's okay passing Obamacare without a single Democratic vote ... Democrats are in charge, ideologically aligned with progressives. It's not okay passing the Patriot Act with large Republican majorities. (Heck can you even imagine Bush changing the effects of the Patriot Act or even TARP 1 with a stroke of his pen, as Obama has done over a dozen times with PPACA. There would have been widespread calls for his resignation. Changing laws is constitutionally in the power of the legislative branch.)
You do realize what I wrote was about changing past laws with a stroke of a pen ... executive orders and agency directives. Because it didn't happen with Bush. Liberal Democrats just better at pushing the limits of the presidency and postponing/lessening backlash.
Uhhh... there are a large number of XOs that are and remain classified.
And we are just supposed to assume that these classified executive orders, if they were de-classified, would support your opinion that "Bush did it too!" because... well, basically because you would prefer that we assume that.
Bush didn't do what Obama has done with "transitional authority" and "enforcement discretion" no matter how much you really, really, really wish he did. The first thing the next Republican president is going to do - and sorry ladies, there is going to be one, sooner or later - is take apart Obamacare piece by piece, unilaterally, with strokes of his (or her!) pen, and when you go apeshit over it, he's going to put on his trollface and mention Barack Obama, and there's going to be fuck-all to be done about it.
Hear, hear! And on that glorious day -- actual health care matters aside -- we will finally be able to proclaim VICTORY and Mission Accomplished over Barack HUSSEIN (wasn't even born in Amurica) Obama, enemy of freedom and American heritage & prosperity.
Calling for “all hands on deck” to assist the economy, President Barack Obama is urging his Cabinet to identify ways to keep his administration relevant to people struggling in the up-and-down recovery.
With two weeks left before delivering an economy-focused State of the Union address to Congress, Obama is picking up the pace of his jobs message and demonstrating how he can advance his economic agenda administratively and through his ability to coax action from important interest groups.
“We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone,” Obama said Tuesday as he convened his first Cabinet meeting of the year.
Obama continued: ”And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”
Why wait for legislative action when you're in the executive with a pen and a phone?
This president has zero respect for the system. Swore an oath to uphold the Constitution but tramples all over it. Yet he is cheered on by his side for "taking action" and "doing the right thing" against those "terrorists, the Republicans."
The same lefties that call for more rules and regulations on private citizens and private entities advocate the expansion of the "fourth branch of government," the administrative state. They wish to grant their leaders with more and more executive power to use at their own discretion, outside the confines of already existing rules. It's schizophrenic.
The person who adopts these two ideas at once is either in a state of contradiction with themselves or is incredibly naive.
And they are the very ones turning their analysis on its tail when a Republican takes the presidency. Gotta compromise, gotta reach across the aisle, gotta reach consensus. It's okay passing Obamacare without a single Democratic vote ... Democrats are in charge, ideologically aligned with progressives. It's not okay passing the Patriot Act with large Republican majorities. (Heck can you even imagine Bush changing the effects of the Patriot Act or even TARP 1 with a stroke of his pen, as Obama has done over a dozen times with PPACA. There would have been widespread calls for his resignation. Changing laws is constitutionally in the power of the legislative branch.)
You do realize what I wrote was about changing past laws with a stroke of a pen ... executive orders and agency directives. Because it didn't happen with Bush. Liberal Democrats just better at pushing the limits of the presidency and postponing/lessening backlash.
Uhhh... there are a large number of XOs that are and remain classified.
And we are just supposed to assume that these classified executive orders, if they were de-classified, would support your opinion that "Bush did it too!" because... well, basically because you would prefer that we assume that.
Bush didn't do what Obama has done with "transitional authority" and "enforcement discretion" no matter how much you really, really, really wish he did. The first thing the next Republican president is going to do - and sorry ladies, there is going to be one, sooner or later - is take apart Obamacare piece by piece, unilaterally, with strokes of his (or her!) pen, and when you go apeshit over it, he's going to put on his trollface and mention Barack Obama, and there's going to be fuck-all to be done about it.
First thing we have to see is whether a potential republican president can even get into office promising to dismantle a system that millions of people will become dependent on. Although I suppose he/she could always lie and then dismantle it.
Things may be returning to normal for thousands of West Virginia customers of American Water, which had its water supply contaminated by a chemical spill last week, but tens of thousands are still without fresh water, and many of those who’ve been told their water is OK to drink remain skeptical.
A week after a tank at a chemical storage site owned by Freedom Industries leaked thousands of gallons of 4-methylcyclohexane-methanol, or MCHM, into the Elk River, contaminating the drinking water of 300,000 West Virginia residents, some say they do not trust the Environmental Protection Agency and West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection’s insistence that water from the river is becoming safe to drink.
Over 200,000 people are still under a “Do Not Drink” order, but even those who’ve been told their water is OK are concerned about its health effects.
After getting the all-clear from American Water, Kanawha City resident Shane Casdorph jumped in the shower, but shortly afterward began to feel itchy.
"My ears were burning," Casdorph told the Charleston Gazette. "I've got red places on my feet and back and a red rash on my back."
Kanawha-Charleston Health Department officer Rahul Gupta told the Gazette at least 100 people had entered the emergency room since the Do Not Drink order was lifted. They complained of eye irritation, stomach pain, vomiting and diarrhea.
But Gupta insisted the water was still safe to drink.
Little is known about MCHM, which is used to process coal before it is burned. The EPA has claimed that water containing under 1 part per million of the chemical is safe to drink, but some experts question how that safety threshold was determined.
On January 16 2014 06:59 itsjustatank wrote: uh I have no horse here stop assuming. all im saying that assuming any president hasnt done such and such with the xo power is partisan naivete when the large majority of them are classified
this goes far beyond your petty and insignificant partisan bickering. im talking about the executive oder as a tool on its own.
I'm talking about executive orders and enforcement discretion as they are currently being applied to passed legislation. This is a president deciding not to act within his constitutional authority.
Calling for “all hands on deck” to assist the economy, President Barack Obama is urging his Cabinet to identify ways to keep his administration relevant to people struggling in the up-and-down recovery.
With two weeks left before delivering an economy-focused State of the Union address to Congress, Obama is picking up the pace of his jobs message and demonstrating how he can advance his economic agenda administratively and through his ability to coax action from important interest groups.
“We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone,” Obama said Tuesday as he convened his first Cabinet meeting of the year.
Obama continued: ”And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”
Why wait for legislative action when you're in the executive with a pen and a phone?
This president has zero respect for the system. Swore an oath to uphold the Constitution but tramples all over it. Yet he is cheered on by his side for "taking action" and "doing the right thing" against those "terrorists, the Republicans."
The same lefties that call for more rules and regulations on private citizens and private entities advocate the expansion of the "fourth branch of government," the administrative state. They wish to grant their leaders with more and more executive power to use at their own discretion, outside the confines of already existing rules. It's schizophrenic.
The person who adopts these two ideas at once is either in a state of contradiction with themselves or is incredibly naive.
And they are the very ones turning their analysis on its tail when a Republican takes the presidency. Gotta compromise, gotta reach across the aisle, gotta reach consensus. It's okay passing Obamacare without a single Democratic vote ... Democrats are in charge, ideologically aligned with progressives. It's not okay passing the Patriot Act with large Republican majorities. (Heck can you even imagine Bush changing the effects of the Patriot Act or even TARP 1 with a stroke of his pen, as Obama has done over a dozen times with PPACA. There would have been widespread calls for his resignation. Changing laws is constitutionally in the power of the legislative branch.)
You do realize what I wrote was about changing past laws with a stroke of a pen ... executive orders and agency directives. Because it didn't happen with Bush. Liberal Democrats just better at pushing the limits of the presidency and postponing/lessening backlash.
Wait, are you asserting that the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 authorized the transfer of money to GM and Chrysler? that GM and Chrysler qualify as financial institutions?
If you want to break open the can of worms that was TARP's wording, we're going to be here a while. Bills with wide discretionary power on allocating funds is a different topic.
Obama's latest flub isn't quite as easily packaged as, "You didn't build that," but it'll do. You can't tell too much of the truth or people might learn how little respect you have for the constitution. It's just that thing you pledged to protect and defend back last January.
Boehner shows some signs of life. Once in a while he surfaces from the closed-door hand wringing sessions of moderate Republicans (Graham and McCain do openly on the talk shows) to show he believes in something. Not the kind of principles worth fighting for but, eh, Boehner will be Boehner.
On January 16 2014 15:23 Danglars wrote: Obama's latest flub isn't quite as easily packaged as, "You didn't build that," but it'll do. You can't tell too much of the truth or people might learn how little respect you have for the constitution. It's just that thing you pledged to protect and defend back last January.
Boehner shows some signs of life. Once in a while he surfaces from the closed-door hand wringing sessions of moderate Republicans (Graham and McCain do openly on the talk shows) to show he believes in something. Not the kind of principles worth fighting for but, eh, Boehner will be Boehner.
Are we seriously doing the meme thing in here? For real?
This shit is why this thread is the laughing stock of the General Forum.
It seems we have at least made progress here since December. I don't see people defending the legality of these arbitrary changes, so now the thread just wants to say "but Bush could have done it!"
Conservatives don't really care if Bush did something or not, anyway. Only Republicans care- those loyal to the party above all else will defend him. The Tea Party movement began with the Bush bailouts and TARP. Accusations of hypocrisy are meaningless and misplaced.
On January 16 2014 15:23 Danglars wrote: Obama's latest flub isn't quite as easily packaged as, "You didn't build that," but it'll do. You can't tell too much of the truth or people might learn how little respect you have for the constitution. It's just that thing you pledged to protect and defend back last January.
Boehner shows some signs of life. Once in a while he surfaces from the closed-door hand wringing sessions of moderate Republicans (Graham and McCain do openly on the talk shows) to show he believes in something. Not the kind of principles worth fighting for but, eh, Boehner will be Boehner.
Are we seriously doing the meme thing in here? For real?
This shit is why this thread is the laughing stock of the General Forum.
This is the best thread in General. What are you talking about?
On January 16 2014 16:30 Introvert wrote: It seems we have at least made progress here since December. I don't see people defending the legality of these arbitrary changes, so now the thread just wants to say "but Bush could have done it!"
Conservatives don't really care if Bush did something or not, anyway. Only Republicans care- those loyal to the party above all else will defend him. The Tea Party movement began with the Bush bailouts and TARP. Accusations of hypocrisy are meaningless and misplaced.
I think the only people who care about the appointments controversy are those with a partisan ax to grind. Given a choice between the president abusing the appointments power by declaring that the Senate is in recess, or the Senate abusing its appointments power by filibustering everything, I'm pretty indifferent. I don't think either is working as intended.
Edit: Oh sorry, you were talking about how the administration is changing the effect of legislation through its enforcement discretion. Are you sure this is unconstitutional? Like pretty much every question dealing with the Constitution, I'm sure it can be argued either way : )
On January 16 2014 06:59 itsjustatank wrote: uh I have no horse here stop assuming. all im saying that assuming any president hasnt done such and such with the xo power is partisan naivete when the large majority of them are classified
this goes far beyond your petty and insignificant partisan bickering. im talking about the executive oder as a tool on its own.
I'm talking about executive orders and enforcement discretion as they are currently being applied to passed legislation. This is a president deciding not to act within his constitutional authority.
Calling for “all hands on deck” to assist the economy, President Barack Obama is urging his Cabinet to identify ways to keep his administration relevant to people struggling in the up-and-down recovery.
With two weeks left before delivering an economy-focused State of the Union address to Congress, Obama is picking up the pace of his jobs message and demonstrating how he can advance his economic agenda administratively and through his ability to coax action from important interest groups.
“We’re not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help they need. I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone,” Obama said Tuesday as he convened his first Cabinet meeting of the year.
Obama continued: ”And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward in helping to make sure our kids are getting the best education possible, making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance, to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”
Why wait for legislative action when you're in the executive with a pen and a phone?
This president has zero respect for the system. Swore an oath to uphold the Constitution but tramples all over it. Yet he is cheered on by his side for "taking action" and "doing the right thing" against those "terrorists, the Republicans."
The same lefties that call for more rules and regulations on private citizens and private entities advocate the expansion of the "fourth branch of government," the administrative state. They wish to grant their leaders with more and more executive power to use at their own discretion, outside the confines of already existing rules. It's schizophrenic.
The person who adopts these two ideas at once is either in a state of contradiction with themselves or is incredibly naive.
And they are the very ones turning their analysis on its tail when a Republican takes the presidency. Gotta compromise, gotta reach across the aisle, gotta reach consensus. It's okay passing Obamacare without a single Democratic vote ... Democrats are in charge, ideologically aligned with progressives. It's not okay passing the Patriot Act with large Republican majorities. (Heck can you even imagine Bush changing the effects of the Patriot Act or even TARP 1 with a stroke of his pen, as Obama has done over a dozen times with PPACA. There would have been widespread calls for his resignation. Changing laws is constitutionally in the power of the legislative branch.)
You do realize what I wrote was about changing past laws with a stroke of a pen ... executive orders and agency directives. Because it didn't happen with Bush. Liberal Democrats just better at pushing the limits of the presidency and postponing/lessening backlash.
Wait, are you asserting that the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 authorized the transfer of money to GM and Chrysler? that GM and Chrysler qualify as financial institutions?
If you want to break open the can of worms that was TARP's wording, we're going to be here a while. Bills with wide discretionary power on allocating funds is a different topic.
Your concerns are really non-unique. Executive orders can, and have been for quite some time, be used to clarify enforcement of laws. It's when they in effect make new law that it really becomes controversial.
The U.S. Treasury Department on Thursday announced plans to sell 410,000 shares in auto lender Ally Financial as part of its effort to unwind its financial bailout fund.
The Treasury said it expected taxpayers to recover about $3 billion from the private offering of Ally common stock at $7,375 per share. The sale would reduce the government's stake to 37 percent, it said. ...
The offering could also leave the Treasury just a few billion short on the investments it made to prop up lenders, automakers and the housing sector from its crisis-era $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. ...
According to the Treasury's TARP Tracker, we've almost recovered 100% of the amount distributed in TARP, with some programs paying back more than others.
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