• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 20:37
CET 02:37
KST 10:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation12Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion What happened to TvZ on Retro? Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2097 users

US Politics Mega-thread - Page 7850

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 7848 7849 7850 7851 7852 10093 Next
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up!

NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious.
Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 13 2017 17:56 GMT
#156981
On June 14 2017 02:54 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

So... we can say Trump is on par with Clinton?

If Billy was that unpopular five months in, Hillary would probably be worse than Trump. Lol.

(To be fair the entire reason for Trump low popularity is that he invents his own crises.)

They both won presidencies in sort of strange circumstances with lower than usual votes, due to Perot for Clinton and and a combination of being a pussy grabber and his opponent being Hillary Clinton for Trump. Trumps unfavorable rating is still way higher
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 13 2017 17:58 GMT
#156982
I doubt hillary would end up lower than Trump. at least unless the progressives got sufficiently pissed off; while osme of them are, I don't think enough of them are for her approval ratings to have gotten that low; and a new scandal wouldn't be likely to emerge and/or have much effect, what with people having already made up their mind one way or the other.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 13 2017 17:58 GMT
#156983
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 18:01:41
June 13 2017 18:00 GMT
#156984
On June 14 2017 02:54 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/874684941682036739

So... we can say Trump is on par with Clinton?

If Billy was that unpopular five months in, Hillary would probably be worse than Trump. Lol.

(To be fair the entire reason for Trump low popularity is that he invents his own crises.)


I dunno if we can say that with any certainty. The loser stink and "you let this happen" stink are doubtless dragging her numbers down in polling and Bill had his own miasma going on. I think she had a better favorable/unfavorable split on on election day than Trump, after all (did get more votes and all that)

Maybe if the emails had dragged out, but considering Trump hasn't managed to scrounge up anything I think they would have ground down
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45048 Posts
June 13 2017 18:01 GMT
#156985
On June 14 2017 02:54 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/874684941682036739

So... we can say Trump is on par with Clinton?

If Billy was that unpopular five months in, Hillary would probably be worse than Trump. Lol.

(To be fair the entire reason for Trump low popularity is that he invents his own crises.)


Not necessarily:

1. Hillary was more popular than Trump was, this election.
2. God knows she's far more competent and has half a brain.
3. Bill =/= Hillary.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 13 2017 18:03 GMT
#156986
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
June 13 2017 18:05 GMT
#156987
On June 14 2017 02:54 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/874684941682036739

So... we can say Trump is on par with Clinton?

If Billy was that unpopular five months in, Hillary would probably be worse than Trump. Lol.

(To be fair the entire reason for Trump low popularity is that he invents his own crises.)


I think a lot of people assumed Trump's persona was more of a gag than who he really is. People looked at the fact that he is a billionaire and assumed he was actually a really well connected, competent guy who would have a good understanding of how to move the country forward. Crude, a little ignorant, a little racist, and disrespectful, but a lot of people had genuine belief in his competence.

And I think a lot of people now, especially the centrist manufacturing types, are realizing it was all a sham. I think Clinton was so well understood at this point that her approval wouldn't have really gone that far down. A lot of Trump's approval tanking has been a result of people realizing this is all we're getting and he really isn't that great at doing much of anything government related.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 13 2017 18:06 GMT
#156988
On June 14 2017 03:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 02:54 LegalLord wrote:
On June 14 2017 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/874684941682036739

So... we can say Trump is on par with Clinton?

If Billy was that unpopular five months in, Hillary would probably be worse than Trump. Lol.

(To be fair the entire reason for Trump low popularity is that he invents his own crises.)


3. Bill =/= Hillary.

While the other two are true (but doesn't necessarily mean people would like her anyways), this last one is not a comparison that works out positively for her.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45048 Posts
June 13 2017 18:09 GMT
#156989
On June 14 2017 03:06 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 03:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On June 14 2017 02:54 LegalLord wrote:
On June 14 2017 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/874684941682036739

So... we can say Trump is on par with Clinton?

If Billy was that unpopular five months in, Hillary would probably be worse than Trump. Lol.

(To be fair the entire reason for Trump low popularity is that he invents his own crises.)


3. Bill =/= Hillary.

While the other two are true (but doesn't necessarily mean people would like her anyways), this last one is not a comparison that works out positively for her.


It neither works out positively nor negatively, necessarily. All it means is that anything (good or bad) attached to Bill isn't necessarily attached to Hillary.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 13 2017 18:09 GMT
#156990
On June 14 2017 03:05 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 02:54 LegalLord wrote:
On June 14 2017 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/874684941682036739

So... we can say Trump is on par with Clinton?

If Billy was that unpopular five months in, Hillary would probably be worse than Trump. Lol.

(To be fair the entire reason for Trump low popularity is that he invents his own crises.)


I think a lot of people assumed Trump's persona was more of a gag than who he really is. People looked at the fact that he is a billionaire and assumed he was actually a really well connected, competent guy who would have a good understanding of how to move the country forward. Crude, a little ignorant, a little racist, and disrespectful, but a lot of people had genuine belief in his competence.

And I think a lot of people now, especially the centrist manufacturing types, are realizing it was all a sham. I think Clinton was so well understood at this point that her approval wouldn't have really gone that far down. A lot of Trump's approval tanking has been a result of people realizing this is all we're getting and he really isn't that great at doing much of anything government related.

The saddest part about this is that Trumps general incompetence will not dispel the myth that being a CEO grants you magical powers to be good a superior elected official.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
June 13 2017 18:19 GMT
#156991
On June 14 2017 03:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/874687582122254336

It's as if they wake up, grab the Folgers can that holds their shit for the day, and take a big bite out of it. They eat so much of their own shit, they believe it. And they don't see anything wrong with what they're doing.

This entire administration's policies are going to be hell to fix next presidency.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 13 2017 18:22 GMT
#156992
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
June 13 2017 18:41 GMT
#156993
On June 14 2017 03:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 03:05 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 14 2017 02:54 LegalLord wrote:
On June 14 2017 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/874684941682036739

So... we can say Trump is on par with Clinton?

If Billy was that unpopular five months in, Hillary would probably be worse than Trump. Lol.

(To be fair the entire reason for Trump low popularity is that he invents his own crises.)


I think a lot of people assumed Trump's persona was more of a gag than who he really is. People looked at the fact that he is a billionaire and assumed he was actually a really well connected, competent guy who would have a good understanding of how to move the country forward. Crude, a little ignorant, a little racist, and disrespectful, but a lot of people had genuine belief in his competence.

And I think a lot of people now, especially the centrist manufacturing types, are realizing it was all a sham. I think Clinton was so well understood at this point that her approval wouldn't have really gone that far down. A lot of Trump's approval tanking has been a result of people realizing this is all we're getting and he really isn't that great at doing much of anything government related.

The saddest part about this is that Trumps general incompetence will not dispel the myth that being a CEO grants you magical powers to be good a superior elected official.


CEO of what? The Trump business empire never expanded beyond his immediate family and some properties he owned but didn't manage. CEOs have to work with numerous powerful VPs and answer to the board. Trump only ever answered to Trump himself.
Garbels
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria653 Posts
June 13 2017 18:43 GMT
#156994
The sessions testimony is starting now.


(new york times)
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 13 2017 18:45 GMT
#156995
On June 14 2017 03:41 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 03:09 Plansix wrote:
On June 14 2017 03:05 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 14 2017 02:54 LegalLord wrote:
On June 14 2017 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/874684941682036739

So... we can say Trump is on par with Clinton?

If Billy was that unpopular five months in, Hillary would probably be worse than Trump. Lol.

(To be fair the entire reason for Trump low popularity is that he invents his own crises.)


I think a lot of people assumed Trump's persona was more of a gag than who he really is. People looked at the fact that he is a billionaire and assumed he was actually a really well connected, competent guy who would have a good understanding of how to move the country forward. Crude, a little ignorant, a little racist, and disrespectful, but a lot of people had genuine belief in his competence.

And I think a lot of people now, especially the centrist manufacturing types, are realizing it was all a sham. I think Clinton was so well understood at this point that her approval wouldn't have really gone that far down. A lot of Trump's approval tanking has been a result of people realizing this is all we're getting and he really isn't that great at doing much of anything government related.

The saddest part about this is that Trumps general incompetence will not dispel the myth that being a CEO grants you magical powers to be good a superior elected official.


CEO of what? The Trump business empire never expanded beyond his immediate family and some properties he owned but didn't manage. CEOs have to work with numerous powerful VPs and answer to the board. Trump only ever answered to Trump himself.

I am talking about the myth that being successful in the private sector running a business will magically make that person capable streamlining government.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
June 13 2017 18:56 GMT
#156996
That goes back to Calvinist ideas of wealth meaning approval from god. Would be nice if that went away ... but ...
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 19:03:51
June 13 2017 19:02 GMT
#156997
On June 14 2017 03:45 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 03:41 Wulfey_LA wrote:
On June 14 2017 03:09 Plansix wrote:
On June 14 2017 03:05 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 14 2017 02:54 LegalLord wrote:
On June 14 2017 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/874684941682036739

So... we can say Trump is on par with Clinton?

If Billy was that unpopular five months in, Hillary would probably be worse than Trump. Lol.

(To be fair the entire reason for Trump low popularity is that he invents his own crises.)


I think a lot of people assumed Trump's persona was more of a gag than who he really is. People looked at the fact that he is a billionaire and assumed he was actually a really well connected, competent guy who would have a good understanding of how to move the country forward. Crude, a little ignorant, a little racist, and disrespectful, but a lot of people had genuine belief in his competence.

And I think a lot of people now, especially the centrist manufacturing types, are realizing it was all a sham. I think Clinton was so well understood at this point that her approval wouldn't have really gone that far down. A lot of Trump's approval tanking has been a result of people realizing this is all we're getting and he really isn't that great at doing much of anything government related.

The saddest part about this is that Trumps general incompetence will not dispel the myth that being a CEO grants you magical powers to be good a superior elected official.


CEO of what? The Trump business empire never expanded beyond his immediate family and some properties he owned but didn't manage. CEOs have to work with numerous powerful VPs and answer to the board. Trump only ever answered to Trump himself.

I am talking about the myth that being successful in the private sector running a business will magically make that person capable streamlining government.


the average american doesnt understand the difference in corporate governance between a closely held family corporation and a publicly held company with an independent board of directors. hell, they might not even know what corporate governance is.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 13 2017 19:03 GMT
#156998
As it stands, being a business owner in the US is akin to godhood. Unfortunately, more often than not, business owners let that treatment go to their heads.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 19:07:48
June 13 2017 19:07 GMT
#156999
On June 14 2017 04:03 LegalLord wrote:
As it stands, being a business owner in the US is akin to godhood. Unfortunately, more often than not, business owners let that treatment go to their heads.

The funny part is how reliant small businesses are on goofy tax write offs and other various things that give people a boot strap feeling. In reality, they are living off welfare. The number of small business owners who I have known to use their "company vehicle" as their primary mode of transportation...
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3249 Posts
June 13 2017 19:08 GMT
#157000
On June 14 2017 02:54 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/874684941682036739

So... we can say Trump is on par with Clinton?

If Billy was that unpopular five months in, Hillary would probably be worse than Trump. Lol.

(To be fair the entire reason for Trump low popularity is that he invents his own crises.)

You looked only at approval. Trump's disapproval is way higher, making his spread 12 points worse
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Prev 1 7848 7849 7850 7851 7852 10093 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 23m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft346
NeuroSwarm 70
SpeCial 65
trigger 32
Vindicta 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 766
Sexy 42
NaDa 37
Bale 6
Dota 2
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
fl0m946
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0175
Other Games
summit1g8722
gofns8294
shahzam392
JimRising 207
Maynarde108
ViBE83
PPMD22
Models3
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick619
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 81
• RyuSc2 31
• davetesta23
• Sammyuel 6
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21257
• Ler64
Other Games
• Scarra442
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
8h 23m
RSL Revival
8h 23m
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
10h 23m
Cure vs Reynor
Classic vs herO
IPSL
15h 23m
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
OSC
17h 23m
BSL 21
18h 23m
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 8h
RSL Revival
1d 8h
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
1d 10h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 10h
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
1d 18h
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
1d 18h
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
1d 21h
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
BSL: GosuLeague
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.