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{CC}StealthBlue
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zlefin
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On June 01 2017 03:54 Mohdoo wrote: Is this just for encouraged, or does this also apply to being direct asked? "I want you to end this investigation" would be obstruction? In my ignorant eyes, asking someone to end an investigation, then firing them when they don't, is about as cut and dry as it gets when trying to obstruct an investigation. I think it'd apply for either; as there's enough uncertainty as to what in fact happened. but i'm not a lawyer, so you can wait for our resident lawyers to chime in. this is a very political and politicized issue; I think the trumpists would say it doesn't rise to the level of obstruction. finding a jury of 12 people who say it is might be rather hard; I don't think you could exclude trump voters in voir dire. if this were a more normal case it might well be enough; but it isn't a normal case, special rules for special people and all that. it's grounds enough that if congress wanted to remove trump they could; but it's not slam dunk level proof, nor so strong as to force their hand on the issue. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 01 2017 04:33 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: Also the RNC is now attacking Morning Joe. The RNC is the “This is fine” dog while the staff in the White House are just pulled fire alarms over and over. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
The entire situation is just quite silly. As my brother said, "This is the first time I'm just genuinely laughing about something Trump did without being worried about the implications." | ||
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brian
United States9639 Posts
why fucking lie about this shit? why are the people in our administration literally pathological liars? | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On June 01 2017 04:39 brian wrote: it's that stupid fucking joke scandal all over again. why fucking lie about this shit? why are the people in our administration literally pathological liars? because the nature of politics provide a selection pressure that favors such. and cuz somehow that's what people like and vote for. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On June 01 2017 04:38 Plansix wrote: The RNC is the “This is fine” dog while the staff in the White House are just pulled fire alarms over and over. "the white house is on fire. Trump's running around with a box of matches. And Republicans want to know who called the fire department." Garry Kasparov could be a word or two off in that. | ||
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On_Slaught
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LegalLord
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 01 2017 04:39 brian wrote: it's that stupid fucking joke scandal all over again. why fucking lie about this shit? why are the people in our administration literally pathological liars? What if the President was so insecure, he couldn’t deal with the idea that everyone was making silly jokes about a typo? People took garbage and made gold out of it, but the President can’t just enjoy it because it was his garbage. | ||
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LegalLord
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brian
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while to me it's just morally the wrong decision, i have to say in terms of 'USA FIRST' it's really not the worst decision he's ever made in my opinion. i saw a lot of claims that it's going to be setting us behind? but here's my problem. will it? Elon isn't about to pack up and go home because Don decided we don't care about the paris agreement. thanks to our beloved capitalism, the truly future looking people are still going to be following the plan. not because they're regulated to do so, but because it's going to be where the money is. so in short, i think it's stupid to make america look stupid. but i don't think it's going to have the negative affect people are telling me it will? (lol, aside from looking stupid. but let's be honest, that ship has sailed.) i think it'll allow the fossil fuel industry to keep chugging, which there are valid arguments for and against. but i don't see it hurting us negatively? am i wrong here? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12427 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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KwarK
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 01 2017 04:56 brian wrote: i know i'm a few pages late on this but i'm interested in getting some more fleshed out thoughts on this paris agreement. while to me it's just morally the wrong decision, i have to say in terms of 'USA FIRST' it's really not the worst decision he's ever made. i saw a lot of claims that it's going to be setting us behind? but here's problem. will it? Elon isn't about to pack up and go home because Don decided we don't care about the paris agreement. thanks to our beloved capitalism, the truly future looking people are still going to be following the plan. not because they're regulated to do so, but because it's going to be where the money is. so in short, i think it's stupid to make america look stupid. but i don't think it's going to have the negative affect people are telling me it will? (lol, aside from looking stupid.) i think it'll allow the fossil fuel industry to keep chugging, which there are valid arguments for and against. but i don't see it hurting us negatively? am i wrong here? One of the arguments I keep hearing is that the Paris agreement will continue to exist without the US and the term will be set by the other nations. There is some celebration that the US left because it means the remaining parties can make it stronger. Because of the agreement, there will be investment developing energy systems all over the worlds to start. Solar and wind power are not one size fits all. We don’t be involved with any of the discussion around that, setting the standard. We won’t receive as much investment because we are focused in other energy sectors. So everyone will be moving in one direction and the US will get to come back to the table in a couple of years. China and India could be the leaders of the new energy sector by that point. | ||
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brian
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Velr
Switzerland10872 Posts
Following the Paris accords basically makes innovation and investements mandatory in the countries that signed it creating huge markets. US companies can play in them, but the US won't be the place were the money is actually made and therefore most likely will not get as much investment. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 01 2017 05:04 brian wrote: that's what i don't buy. we're still capitalists, if the money is there so will the rest of the innovators. It depends on whether or not the short-term gains are foregone for longer term strategy with new energy tech. I can easily see a situation where the "more now, less later" strategy wins over the "less now, more later" strat because, well...we're really practiced at shooting ourselves in the future for fast benefit now. (obviously oversimplified) | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 01 2017 05:04 brian wrote: that's what i don't buy. we're still capitalists, if the money is there so will the rest of the innovators. The rest of the world decided to make it easier to invest in this growth industry. We decided that was bad and we should go back to pushing coal. Our business sector disagrees, so they will go to other countries with their money. So we will get to buy our solar panels from China or India, rather than make them here in the US. | ||
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