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{CC}StealthBlue
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GreenHorizons
United States24167 Posts
On April 22 2017 05:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: What? https://twitter.com/sarahnferris/status/855497861655605253 Congress seeing if they can add "Shut down the Government" to Trumps 100 day accomplishments. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 22 2017 05:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: What? https://twitter.com/sarahnferris/status/855497861655605253 Guessing it means "$1 for every $1". | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24167 Posts
On April 22 2017 06:04 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: Sure that will go well. https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/855226668620840965 I feel bad for Frum, he's one of the more sensible people still lingering around the Republican party and his rationality is why they hate him so much. Politically I disagree with him a lot, but he's someone who just couldn't ignore how stupid and disingenuous many Republican positions have become. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On April 22 2017 06:11 GreenHorizons wrote: I feel bad for Frum, he's one of the more sensible people still lingering around the Republican party and his rationality is why they hate him so much. Politically I disagree with him a lot, but he's someone who just couldn't ignore how stupid and disingenuous many Republican positions have become. Yeah. Even when I disagree with him he at least makes decent points and it's more a matter of philosophical differences. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On April 22 2017 06:16 Mohdoo wrote: I wonder where within the Trump administration the need for the wall comes from. I am skeptical the desire for the wall comes from Trump himself. Could it be a Bannon pet project? I don't think Trump feels enormous pressure to make the wall actually happen. I honestly expected Trump would do everything in his power to make all speak of the wall vanish. "Build the wall" is an amazing campaign promise because it inspires a ton of chest beating. Rural Americans LOVE chest beating. So it got the votes. But in terms of actual governing, the wall is a tremendous nightmare that only serves to hurt Trump long term. Trump himself loves chest beating, and doesn't have a firm grasp on the realities of immigration; so I could still easily see the impetus from it coming from trump himself believing in it and its benefits. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
Washington (CNN)The FBI gathered intelligence last summer that suggests Russian operatives tried to use Trump advisers, including Carter Page, to infiltrate the Trump campaign, according to US officials. The new information adds to the emerging picture of how the Russians tried to influence the 2016 election, not only through email hacks and propaganda but also by trying to infiltrate the Trump orbit. The intelligence led to an investigation into the coordination of Trump's campaign associates and the Russians. These officials made clear they don't know whether Page was aware the Russians may have been using him. Because of the way Russian spy services operate, Page could have unknowingly talked with Russian agents. Page disputes the idea he has ever collected intelligence for the Russians, saying he helped the US intelligence community. "My assumption throughout the last 26 years I've been going there has always been that any Russian person might share information with the Russian government ... as I have similarly done with the CIA, the FBI and other government agencies in the past." But the intelligence suggests Russia tried to infiltrate the inner-workings of the Trump campaign by using backdoor channels to communicate with people in the Trump orbit, US officials say. Page is one of several Trump advisers US and European intelligence found to be in contact with Russian officials and other Russians known to Western intelligence during the campaign, according to multiple US officials. http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/21/politics/russia-trump-campaign-advisers-infiltrate/index.html | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On April 22 2017 08:07 biology]major wrote: Btw what if Hillary decides to run again in 2020, it is entirely possible. She's been ramping up her public speaking appearances about walls and being together and what not I think she blew all of her political capital and then some on her last run. I don't think she can bully anyone into not running against her this time, and am wondering what she would say when the first debate question is "You lost to Donald Trump. Why should anyone believe you could win an election again?" | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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micronesia
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On April 22 2017 08:07 biology]major wrote: Btw what if Hillary decides to run again in 2020, it is entirely possible. She's been ramping up her public speaking appearances about walls and being together and what not She lost to Donald J Trump. Her former campaign aides did a tell-all in Shattered (example) Despite all the caterwauling about hacked emails and Russian intrigue, she lost the election fair and square to the pussy-grabbing blowhard and she won't live that one down. Open question to whether or not Chelsea gets enough sympathy support to run for public office in a liberal stronghold somewhere. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22488 Posts
On April 22 2017 08:20 micronesia wrote: Can't the wall be paid for by de-funding the portions of the Coast Guard that patrol near the Mexico border and selling large quantities of ladders, shovels, and rope to Mexico? Trump could probably fund it if he stopped going to his resort every weekend. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On April 22 2017 08:22 Danglars wrote: Open question to whether or not Chelsea gets enough sympathy support to run for public office in a liberal stronghold somewhere. She doesn't seem politically impressive enough to have a national presence at any point in the future. And while Bill himself has plenty of fans, people are none too fond of "the Clintons" in general. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On April 22 2017 08:22 Danglars wrote: She lost to Donald J Trump. Her former campaign aides did a tell-all in Shattered (example) Despite all the caterwauling about hacked emails and Russian intrigue, she lost the election fair and square to the pussy-grabbing blowhard and she won't live that one down. Open question to whether or not Chelsea gets enough sympathy support to run for public office in a liberal stronghold somewhere. Yeah but I think she thinks she lost to the pussy grabber because Russians, basket of deplorables, unfair media coverage, and that her electability wasn't enough to overpower all of it. Either way that would be hilarious, that might even inspire Bernie to get back in the race for 2020, and that would be epic. | ||
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KwarK
United States44203 Posts
On April 22 2017 08:31 biology]major wrote: Yeah but I think she thinks she lost to the pussy grabber because Russians, basket of deplorables, unfair media coverage, and that her electability wasn't enough to overpower all of it. Either way that would be hilarious, that might even inspire Bernie to get back in the race for 2020, and that would be epic. She did lose because of these factors, along with others. I know it doesn't conform to LL's narrative but this was an election with margins under 10,000 in key states. Absolutely any factor capable of turning 1 in 1000 people against her in those states was alone enough to lose the election. She should have won easily even with those but it's not really up for debate about whether she would have won without Russian interference or sexism unless you plan to sincerely make the argument that neither exists. A more competent candidate would have won in spite of sexism. But that doesn't mean that sexism doesn't exist and when the margins are this narrow then any factor is a tipping factor. | ||
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LegalLord
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