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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 20 2017 18:35 GMT
#143081
Good reporters are in short supply. And stories based on bullshit certainly have gone viral in the current cycle.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 20 2017 18:37 GMT
#143082
There are enough to keep you informed if you take the time. I would say the supply is just about right.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
March 20 2017 18:38 GMT
#143083
On March 21 2017 03:35 LegalLord wrote:
Good reporters are in short supply. And stories based on bullshit certainly have gone viral in the current cycle.

Well, if you're looking at the stories gone viral, you've already picked the wrong starting line.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 19:23:28
March 20 2017 18:38 GMT
#143084
Late into the third hour of Monday's House Intelligence Committee hearing, during which the FBI's director confirmed the agency was investigating whether there was any "cooperation" between the Trump campaign and Russia, one Republican congressman attempted to discredit the media's reporting on the topic.

"Is it possible that the New York Times was misled by individuals claiming to be current or former American officials?" Rep. Brad Wenstrup (R-OH) asked.

When Comey said he could not answer that question, Wenstrup continued down the same path.

"Is it possible that a so-called 'source' to a media outlet may actually be a Russian advocate?" he asked. "Nothing to do with this story, but is it possible that a Russian surrogate could actually be the source that a newspaper is relying on?"

Comey again refused to confirm or deny the source of a specific article, saying only: "In general, sure. Somebody could always be pretending to be something they're not."

The New York Times article in question disclosed to the public that several members of Trump's presidential campaign and inner circle had phone conversations and other communications with Russian officials that were intercepted by U.S. intelligence agencies.

The New York Times did not immediately respond to TPM's request for comment.


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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 19:43:48
March 20 2017 19:43 GMT
#143085
Pride cometh before the fall. His inability to just admit his mistakes and his need to always be right will get him. If not on this issue, then another.

On the point of pride; a fun thought experiment. Are there any of the 7 deadly sins that Trump does NOT personify? Clearly he personifies pride, greed, lust, wrath, and envy. Anyone got an argument for gluttony and sloth?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 20 2017 19:48 GMT
#143086
......?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 20 2017 19:48 GMT
#143087
Being POTUS and tired at 5pm.
Not preparing for meetings.
Not reading up on what he spouts.
Healthcare is "complicated"

Hes a fat blow. What more is there to see for gluttony?
passive quaranstream fan
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 20 2017 19:54 GMT
#143088
On March 21 2017 04:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
......?

https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/843910949681664001

Sure the GOP just wants this thing to end as soon as possible so they can get on to not dealing with the ACA. They really seem lost without Obama to rail against.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 19:59:32
March 20 2017 19:58 GMT
#143089
On March 21 2017 04:43 On_Slaught wrote:
Pride cometh before the fall. His inability to just admit his mistakes and his need to always be right will get him. If not on this issue, then another.

On the point of pride; a fun thought experiment. Are there any of the 7 deadly sins that Trump does NOT personify? Clearly he personifies pride, greed, lust, wrath, and envy. Anyone got an argument for gluttony and sloth?

i'd say he doesn't fit gluttony particularly, and definitely not sloth. at least from what I've heard of him.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 20:02:44
March 20 2017 20:00 GMT
#143090
Gavin Newsome calling out Trump. Basically Trump posted something arguing that there was no interference of voting machines and claimed that it meant there was no Russian interference of the election at all.




also Kasparov's twitter has been pretty fire today

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 20 2017 20:06 GMT
#143091
The focus on reporters had got to be the dumbest part of this whole thing. If anyone in the GOP felt that reporters were printing information they should not have or wanted try to an force them to name their source, they have all the power to seek that information. They would rather than be specific, they want to cast doubt on all the reporting being done and hope this will all blow over.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43567 Posts
March 20 2017 20:25 GMT
#143092
On March 21 2017 04:58 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 04:43 On_Slaught wrote:
Pride cometh before the fall. His inability to just admit his mistakes and his need to always be right will get him. If not on this issue, then another.

On the point of pride; a fun thought experiment. Are there any of the 7 deadly sins that Trump does NOT personify? Clearly he personifies pride, greed, lust, wrath, and envy. Anyone got an argument for gluttony and sloth?

i'd say he doesn't fit gluttony particularly, and definitely not sloth. at least from what I've heard of him.

He's one of the lazier Presidents in my lifetime. Refuses to work weekends and caused a diplomatic incident with Australia because it'd been a long day and he'd not had a midday nap.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 20:51:17
March 20 2017 20:44 GMT
#143093
On March 21 2017 05:25 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 04:58 zlefin wrote:
On March 21 2017 04:43 On_Slaught wrote:
Pride cometh before the fall. His inability to just admit his mistakes and his need to always be right will get him. If not on this issue, then another.

On the point of pride; a fun thought experiment. Are there any of the 7 deadly sins that Trump does NOT personify? Clearly he personifies pride, greed, lust, wrath, and envy. Anyone got an argument for gluttony and sloth?

i'd say he doesn't fit gluttony particularly, and definitely not sloth. at least from what I've heard of him.

He's one of the lazier Presidents in my lifetime. Refuses to work weekends and caused a diplomatic incident with Australia because it'd been a long day and he'd not had a midday nap.

just because he goes away on the weekend doesn't mean he's not working. the president can never really escape from work.
and he'd cause a diplomatic incident with australia if he talked to them, so same difference

I'm in general in favor of president's getting plenty of rest; regardless of trump being [various disparaging remarks], the most important thing is for the president to make a smaller number of high quality decisions and be ready for emergencies.
I feel that most president's work too hard for how high-stress a job it is, and that we'd get better overall results if they delegate a bit more and get enough rest. especially given the considerable amount of known data on job performance effects by fatigue.

last I heard any actual reporting on his workload, he was working hard; haven't heard much recently on the topic.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 20 2017 20:55 GMT
#143094
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28739 Posts
March 20 2017 20:56 GMT
#143095
Lazy is one negative quality Trump can't be attributed with. I sure as hell wish it was accurate, but he's clearly a hard worker.. Somewhat selective, sure, lacking attention span for some of the more boring and tedious aspects of being a politician (or student of anything), absolutely, but he still works hard.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43567 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 21:05:08
March 20 2017 21:03 GMT
#143096
On March 21 2017 05:56 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Lazy is one negative quality Trump can't be attributed with. I sure as hell wish it was accurate, but he's clearly a hard worker.. Somewhat selective, sure, lacking attention span for some of the more boring and tedious aspects of being a politician (or student of anything), absolutely, but he still works hard.

He doesn't go to his briefings, clearly doesn't read briefings about any of the important subjects he ought to know, watches tv half the day and tweets about it the other half. I mean come on, really? This is a man who goes into every meeting completely unprepared and forces foreign leaders, from Theresa May to Shinzo Abe to Angela Merkel to Malcolm Turnbull to educate him about the fundamentals of the discussion at hand.

The job is a vanity project for Trump, nothing more. This is a man who didn't really have any kind of idea for a healthcare plan, waited too long without working on one and then defended himself by saying that nobody knew it was a complicated subject. If you were doing a group project and Trump was in your group would you really say that he's a hard worker? Because I feel like he'd never show up to the meetings, never do the research or reading and then insist upon doing the presentation on the day, only to fuck it up.

He took the job for the title, when forced to do actual work he throws all the responsibility away from his person and then deflects. When he's unable to deflect he shows himself to be woefully ignorant and incompetent.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 20 2017 21:05 GMT
#143097
The thing is that his job is to work for the country and he's procrastinating "50% of the time" on twitter.
passive quaranstream fan
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 20 2017 21:08 GMT
#143098
On March 21 2017 06:05 Artisreal wrote:
The thing is that his job is to work for the country and he's procrastinating "50% of the time" on twitter.

I think that procrastination is the least of Trump's problems. If he were to do nothing for four years then we would probably have a relatively uneventful presidency.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
March 20 2017 21:09 GMT
#143099
On March 21 2017 06:03 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 05:56 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Lazy is one negative quality Trump can't be attributed with. I sure as hell wish it was accurate, but he's clearly a hard worker.. Somewhat selective, sure, lacking attention span for some of the more boring and tedious aspects of being a politician (or student of anything), absolutely, but he still works hard.

He doesn't go to his briefings, clearly doesn't read briefings about any of the important subjects he ought to know, watches tv half the day and tweets about it the other half. I mean come on, really? This is a man who goes into every meeting completely unprepared and forces foreign leaders, from Theresa May to Shinzo Abe to Angela Merkel to Malcolm Turnbull to educate him about the fundamentals of the discussion at hand.

The job is a vanity project for Trump, nothing more. This is a man who didn't really have any kind of idea for a healthcare plan, waited too long without working on one and then defended himself by saying that nobody knew it was a complicated subject. If you were doing a group project and Trump was in your group would you really say that he's a hard worker? Because I feel like he'd never show up to the meetings, never do the research or reading and then insist upon doing the presentation on the day, only to fuck it up.

He took the job for the title, when forced to do actual work he throws all the responsibility away from his person and then deflects. When he's unable to deflect he shows himself to be woefully ignorant and incompetent.

I'd say that he's a hard, dumb worker. He does a lot of work, but he does not work effectively or efficiently at it, and does not prep adequately, and was never prepared for the job in the first place. terribly ignorant of course.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 20 2017 21:11 GMT
#143100
Very common for businessmen to work hard whether or not you actually get more done because of it.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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