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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 20 2017 16:01 GMT
#143061
I like this Conaway grilling on the "Putin was angree about 2011" since it seems like a copy-pasted Hillary Clinton talking point.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 20 2017 16:04 GMT
#143062
On March 21 2017 00:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I'm watching it through NPR, and they're also on the chopping block, but seeing that people are willing to fund these public broadcasting stations, I have confidence that they'll thrive.

NPR receives like 5% of their funding through the Federal government. They learned long ago not to rely them.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 16:18:23
March 20 2017 16:17 GMT
#143063
Eh, I have to say I'm not sure where these kiddies are trying to go with their line of questioning. Comey is refusing to answer most questions as well. I don't feel like they really thought this through.

Edit: "RT the US, Russian, anti-propaganda outlet." - Rep Terri Sewell
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 20 2017 16:22 GMT
#143064
I take it you have never watched a congressional hearing before? This is 100% standard stuff, especially for the FBI/NSA. There are questions they won’t answer publically. But the members of the committee are going to expect an answer in private.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 16:24:29
March 20 2017 16:23 GMT
#143065
Watched a few. Some are stupider than others. This is one of the stupider ones.

Guess it's a good indication that it's a waste of time to watch though.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 20 2017 16:27 GMT
#143066
Yes. Do not watch congressional hearings. On the same note, don’t watch witness testimony for court cases. It is deeply boring stuff. Watch the highlights on the news after the fact.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
March 20 2017 16:28 GMT
#143067
Comey also confirmed that there is absolutely no evidence of wiretapping by the FBI or DOJ of Trump tower.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 20 2017 16:33 GMT
#143068
On March 21 2017 01:28 Nevuk wrote:
Comey also confirmed that there is absolutely no evidence of wiretapping by the FBI or DOJ of Trump tower.

I wonder how many times we have to confirm this before people just come to terms with the obvious truth that Trump talked out of his ass based on Breitbart news.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 20 2017 16:39 GMT
#143069
On March 21 2017 01:33 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 01:28 Nevuk wrote:
Comey also confirmed that there is absolutely no evidence of wiretapping by the FBI or DOJ of Trump tower.

I wonder how many times we have to confirm this before people just come to terms with the obvious truth that Trump talked out of his ass based on Breitbart news.

Until the White House admits that is what happened and withdraws the claim. He accused the previous US president of committing a felony with no evidence. And he is the head of the federal branch that charges people with crimes.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 20 2017 16:59 GMT
#143070
So is he just allowed to lie and slander away at people or countries while being the president? Doesn't that title come with a certain responsibility to like...not lie and slander? By now it's proven he's just slinging shit into the world based on how bad his mood is.

Like here in the Netherlands we've had multiple ministers get removed from office in the past few years for lying to parliament about much more trivial things. But it was the lying that caused them to have to leave office because they lost trust from the representatives.

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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 20 2017 17:03 GMT
#143071
On March 21 2017 01:59 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
So is he just allowed to lie and slander away at people or countries while being the president? Doesn't that title come with a certain responsibility to like...not lie and slander? By now it's proven he's just slinging shit into the world based on how bad his mood is.

Like here in the Netherlands we've had multiple ministers get removed from office in the past few years for lying to parliament about much more trivial things. But it was the lying that caused them to have to leave office because they lost trust from the representatives.



It's because he's rolling with the GOP's agenda, the GOP currently control more than half the government, and they're not willing to destroy their party over the country apparently. So they let him lie, let him continue lying, and don't call him out on his bullshit. At least, that's my perspective on things as of recent.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 20 2017 17:07 GMT
#143072
There has to be overwhelming public pressure to remove him before anyone will take action. Water Gate took two years to sink Nixon. I'm sure if we dug into the Netherlands cases, we would find a slow build that ended with the final straw being something trivial.

As a senior reporter Ron Elving at NPR said: "None of this matters until it all matters."
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
March 20 2017 17:10 GMT
#143073
On March 21 2017 01:59 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
So is he just allowed to lie and slander away at people or countries while being the president? Doesn't that title come with a certain responsibility to like...not lie and slander? By now it's proven he's just slinging shit into the world based on how bad his mood is.

Like here in the Netherlands we've had multiple ministers get removed from office in the past few years for lying to parliament about much more trivial things. But it was the lying that caused them to have to leave office because they lost trust from the representatives.


legally, yes he is allowed.

it's supposed to have higher standards, but there's no real enforcement mechanism.
if he lied to congress, or otherwise under oath, that might matter; but nearly all of his statements aren't made under oath, so perjury wouldn't apply. other lying is at most grounds for a lawsuit, which is extremely hard to win in things like this (political insults).

and enough of the american public either believes his lies, or doesn't mind them enough to want ot remove him from office for them.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 20 2017 17:40 GMT
#143074
Another reason is that pretty much everyone is hated right now, and since Trump has a core base of support he actually isn't even the most hated. Congress is hated much worse, I think Hillary is even lower on approval than Trump, and the only politicians of repute with a largely positive rating are... Mike Pence and Bernie Sanders.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-20 17:45:04
March 20 2017 17:43 GMT
#143075
Important things I learned from this hearing:

Trump org/surrogates/campaign under investigation for russia ties(expected).

Wiretap claim was refuted (completely expected that trump just saw something on tv and tweeted about it without any fact checking).

Also the interesting thing is Comey blatantly expressed the amount of misinformation in the media via these unsourced leaks. These leaks required a leap of faith from the american people that I was initially skeptical to take, but now that Comey has said that especially in the last 2 months, there has been a lot of misinformation in the reporting of classified leaks, and he even went out of his way to say that the reporting has been unusually active. For a man who is basically very careful with his words, and is trying his best to not comment, out right saying 'unusually active' was a bit unexpected.

So basically no one to trust, abandoning the politics ship
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 20 2017 18:18 GMT
#143076
If only he hadn't done a bunch of TV interviews...

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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
March 20 2017 18:24 GMT
#143077
On March 21 2017 02:40 LegalLord wrote:
Another reason is that pretty much everyone is hated right now, and since Trump has a core base of support he actually isn't even the most hated. Congress is hated much worse, I think Hillary is even lower on approval than Trump, and the only politicians of repute with a largely positive rating are... Mike Pence and Bernie Sanders.


Hillary? Isn't she hiding in a forest or something?

I thought she was politically out the game entirely. What's she up to now?
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 20 2017 18:24 GMT
#143078
Leaks are a slippery slope. In moderation they keep people honest, in sufficient quantities they undermine fact-based reporting. The biggest fallout in the long term of the DNC leaks, besides possibly tipping the election, is how they legitimized leaking on a large scale. And the best thing about anonymous sources is that neither reporters nor readers can always tell the difference between credible anonymous sources and non-credible ones.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 20 2017 18:25 GMT
#143079
On March 21 2017 03:24 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2017 02:40 LegalLord wrote:
Another reason is that pretty much everyone is hated right now, and since Trump has a core base of support he actually isn't even the most hated. Congress is hated much worse, I think Hillary is even lower on approval than Trump, and the only politicians of repute with a largely positive rating are... Mike Pence and Bernie Sanders.


Hillary? Isn't she hiding in a forest or something?

I thought she was politically out the game entirely. What's she up to now?

Might be running for mayor of New York City.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 20 2017 18:33 GMT
#143080
On March 21 2017 03:24 LegalLord wrote:
Leaks are a slippery slope. In moderation they keep people honest, in sufficient quantities they undermine fact-based reporting. The biggest fallout in the long term of the DNC leaks, besides possibly tipping the election, is how they legitimized leaking on a large scale. And the best thing about anonymous sources is that neither reporters nor readers can always tell the difference between credible anonymous sources and non-credible ones.

Good reporters can tell the difference between a creditable and bullshit source. It is up the citizens to pick out those reporters who use good judgment.
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