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"Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment."

On January 30 2017 02:45 Blisse wrote:


They should apologize for including green card holders.

They shouldn't apologize for continuing this ban. These are the same ideologies that Trump campaigned on, and they were elected for it.

On January 30 2017 03:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


Did Sean Spicer seriously and sincerely retweet The Onion ripping on him? He clearly didn't watch the satirical video...

On January 30 2017 03:08 xDaunt wrote:

One thing to keep in mind is that this executive order can't be viewed in a vacuum. Its seems fairly clear that the inclusion of green card holders was a deliberately provocative act. The Trump Administration is setting the table for some big changes to America's immigration policy. I strongly suspect that this executive order is just the first of a coming of series of "outrages" that Trump will be deliberately triggering on the Left.

On January 29 2017 16:59 Slaughter wrote:


I am curious to know what your take on the recent court ruling is. Like do you think its a legitimate challenge and could possibly lead to something more substantial or just a small victory that ultimately will have courts rule in favor of the EO?

On January 30 2017 03:11 mahrgell wrote:


Is Europe considered "the left"? Or why ban European citizens (>100k Germans alone) and members of parliaments of the UK and Germany?

The US is so great they don't need any allies? CUZ CARRIERS AND NUKES? Okay.

On January 30 2017 01:41 NukeD wrote:

I dont know, really, i have no idea why they would want to destabilize it. It is probably not the reason why but I am clueless as to what the other reason could be so I just posted that one.

On January 30 2017 03:08 xDaunt wrote:

One thing to keep in mind is that this executive order can't be viewed in a vacuum. Its seems fairly clear that the inclusion of green card holders was a deliberately provocative act. The Trump Administration is setting the table for some big changes to America's immigration policy. I strongly suspect that this executive order is just the first of a coming of series of "outrages" that Trump will be deliberately triggering on the Left.

On January 30 2017 03:06 LegalLord wrote:
Speaking of the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the joint chiefs, do we have one? Or are we still in interim limbo there?

On January 30 2017 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


? Either he didn't realize that The Onion is fake (which is 99% what happened) or he decided to play into the liar paradox of "What your father says is false/ What your mother says is true", neither of which make Spicer look intelligent. If he thinks he's being clever by posting satirical information about him being misinformed and agreeing with it, then he's either misinformed about spreading good information, or he's well-informed about spreading misinformation. Either way, he doesn't make a good point, not that it matters, really... It's only been a week and the American public already knows that he's full of crap and has no problem lying to us.

On January 30 2017 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


? Either he didn't realize that The Onion is fake (which is 99% what happened) or he decided to play into the liar paradox of "What your father says is false/ What your mother says is true", neither of which make Spicer look intelligent. If he thinks he's being clever by posting satirical information about him being misinformed and agreeing with it, then he's either misinformed about spreading good information, or he's well-informed about spreading misinformation.

Our government has a responsibility to defend our borders, but we must do so in a way that makes us safer and upholds all that is decent and exceptional about our nation.

It is clear from the confusion at our airports across the nation that President Trump’s executive order was not properly vetted. We are particularly concerned by reports that this order went into effect with little to no consultation with the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security.

Such a hasty process risks harmful results. We should not stop green-card holders from returning to the country they call home. We should not stop those who have served as interpreters for our military and diplomats from seeking refuge in the country they risked their lives to help. And we should not turn our backs on those refugees who have been shown through extensive vetting to pose no demonstrable threat to our nation, and who have suffered unspeakable horrors, most of them women and children.

Ultimately, we fear this executive order will become a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism. At this very moment, American troops are fighting side-by-side with our Iraqi partners to defeat ISIL. But this executive order bans Iraqi pilots from coming to military bases in Arizona to fight our common enemies. Our most important allies in the fight against ISIL are the vast majority of Muslims who reject its apocalyptic ideology of hatred. This executive order sends a signal, intended or not, that America does not want Muslims coming into our country. That is why we fear this executive order may do more to help terrorist recruitment than improve our security.

On January 30 2017 03:36 On_Slaught wrote:
Since you're here xDaunt, can you articulate a defense of Trump's move to put Bannon on the NSC whilst removing the Chairman of the joint chiefs and DNI? Seems pretty indefensible. The first one where I can't imagine any Trump supporter liking it. Especially since they care so much about national security as well as "draining the seamp."