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On November 10 2016 00:33 VayneAuthority wrote: Democrats lost independents like me when they continued to focus on anything except their actual candidate. The smugness and constant name-calling got to an absurd point. Calling everyone that didn't support Clinton with you racist and sexist...Democrats were their own worst enemy this election.
Proof is in the pudding, Obama voters like myself decided this election.
So in your opinion Clinton not Trump was the one calling everyone names?
No, i'm referring to the people. The internet is a pretty liberal place and you literally couldn't escape the smugness. It was unbearable
This is kind of like voting because you don't like the way land candidate's smile is shaped.
i'm not that surprised that trump has been elected, trump and hillary are the same in the end anyway for the average joe
i greatly anticipate the next french bashing campaign from the trump administration à la 2003, hoping to see it's going to be something more original than the cheese eating surrender monkey
3) Abortion rights aren't going anywhere. Gay rights aren't going anywhere. You've won on these issues. Even if Trump gets capped and Pence takes over, there's nothing that the president can do to unwind the progress that's been made. Virtually no judge that Trump may appoint will overturn the precedents that have been set. Judges are egotistical assholes, and they'd rather not tarnish their reputations (see John Roberts). And the American people don't have the appetite for a protracted cultural war on these issues right now. Trump didn't even run on those issues. There are bigger fish to fry. Which takes me to my last point....
This one seems incorrect (the abortion part)? There's already a bunch of states chipping away at abortion rights by imposing overly strict regulations on where abortions can be performed or allowing shady centers to operate that appear to be about family planning or offer abortions but then really hammer anti-abortion messages into you.
Anyone can get an abortion in this country. Unless you're an advocate for late term abortions, the battle is being fought at the margins over convenience. This is a non-issue that is blown out of proportion by the left.
That is so egotistical it is disgusting. "I'm male, so I'm not affected, so I don't care". Jerk. Keep your nose out of women's affairs and let them decide you control freak.
Come on that's not what he said ...
I truly wonder : is the vote Trump some kind of millenarism ? Did US citizens showed their desire for the end of the world ?
I've had some tough discussion with students this morning. The media attacked their brains so much they actually thought Trump meant WW3.
Like I've said for a long time (and you have said the same), what exactly did Trump supporters have to lose? What was their alternative? They've been maligned culturally for so long, that a populist revolt was inevitable.
I think most people probably thought that type of revolt would be more palatable. Or more for "the people" and not just the white working class.
It's the white working class that was specifically maligned, though. For how long have they been neglected? For how long have they been forced to take a back seat to the interests of other minority groups? For how long should they endure being thought of as the deplorables?
Yes yes certainly, but that wouldn't necessarily mean to imply that they would have to be pitted so starkly against other groups. You should be able to appeal to white working class with something more productive than a message of every other demographic sucks. If not then the deplorable tag really would be well earned.
Well let me ask you this: who pitted whites against everyone else? Which political party has been heavily invested in racial division for the past generation? And yes, I know how the liberals are going to respond to that question, but the bottom line is that Joe Blow American wants to live in a color blind society, which the left won't allow.
One political party tried to raise up minorities so they were on equal footing with whites so now they feel threatened because well....people are stupid and paranoid. White working class has some persecution complex now and its insane/ I blame the media for spinning it this way. Every gain for minorities was spun as a slight against whites and its not true.
I remember reading an article that was called something like "when you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression". I guess that feeling carried the election for Trump...Newt was right when he said "I go with feelings not facts". Its horrible but it worked.
On November 10 2016 00:10 oneofthem wrote: why would she concede when sanders is a policy dunce of historic caliber and lost by millions of votes? get over yourself, or not, and keep fighting the establishment.
Guess what. He couldn't have been worse than Hillary. Because she lost against the worst candidate republicans have fielded in 50 years. You are the policy dunce. You're the moron who thought that the current state of affairs just needed to be made more palatable to the idiotic masses. You were wrong. This country didn't want to continue the slow decline that Hillary promised. This country didn't want more of the same shitbirds who got us here. Now we have Trump. Maybe if Hillary hadn't cheated her way through the primary collusion with news networks and the DNC we wouldn't have DONALD J TRUMP AS A PRESIDENT, but hey you said that was fine because she would get elected. She didn't. Nobody wants your polished turd. There is literally nothing you can do to apologize the damage that you have done to minorities and the queer community in this country. A vote for Hillary in the primaries was a vote for Trump. You made america great again. Congratulations.
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two things.
1. i am not a defender of the status quo/advocate for doing nothing. i'm very well aware of the depth of the problem beyond rosy gloss by official positions. which is why HRC's platform has a number of things specifically intended to address the continued labor market weakness, why yellen entertained running the economy hot for a few months without raising rates, why i wanted to see more of an issue based message from her etc.
2. continued war on HRC from the left, particularly the labor based groups, was very damaging. i would not blame the loss on this stuff but the far left quite obviously put war against establishment over the serious trump threat. at various points i've talked about how trump is for real and this is not the time to witch hunt HRC from the left, but no, she's the other devil in the race.
It was HRC that buried HRC. She showed disdain for the primary concerns of about 80% of the electorate in this race. Half of the dems voted for bernie (more would have if she hadn't learned how to put down dark horses after obama). All of the reps voted for trump. Every single one of those voters wanted to fix our broken ass economy so that people could afford their own dignity. HRC laughed at them. Like you, she told them they had no other choice. Her smug conceit may have secured her the trust of the upper class but that doesn't secure you a win anymore. She played old politics, where you just have to stay in line and protect the money and the status quo. She did this in a nation that was desperate for relief from an aristocracy which has been gaining traction for decades. She offered another Obamacare when the vast majority of people wanted universal healthcare.
she cannot be held at fault if you simply mischaracterize her policy positions in such a gross way. i suggest looking at the platform, and look at the research on various issues by her policy team.
you are basically looking for a different rhetorical presentation, some kind of war against the corporations. it's an expressive and emotive demand
On November 10 2016 01:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So when the crisis starts to unfold in about what 2 years, who will Trump decide go to war with to try and rally and distract? Iran? Yemen?
On November 10 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote: you don't really pay 30 grand for a child birth, you're surely exaggerating on that claim or am i wrong?
It wouldn't surprise me if that was the raw bill before negotiations. The pricing system is really fucked up. Sometimes providers do shit like charge $100 for aspirin.
This one seems incorrect (the abortion part)? There's already a bunch of states chipping away at abortion rights by imposing overly strict regulations on where abortions can be performed or allowing shady centers to operate that appear to be about family planning or offer abortions but then really hammer anti-abortion messages into you.
Anyone can get an abortion in this country. Unless you're an advocate for late term abortions, the battle is being fought at the margins over convenience. This is a non-issue that is blown out of proportion by the left.
That is so egotistical it is disgusting. "I'm male, so I'm not affected, so I don't care". Jerk. Keep your nose out of women's affairs and let them decide you control freak.
Come on that's not what he said ...
I truly wonder : is the vote Trump some kind of millenarism ? Did US citizens showed their desire for the end of the world ?
I've had some tough discussion with students this morning. The media attacked their brains so much they actually thought Trump meant WW3.
Like I've said for a long time (and you have said the same), what exactly did Trump supporters have to lose? What was their alternative? They've been maligned culturally for so long, that a populist revolt was inevitable.
I think most people probably thought that type of revolt would be more palatable. Or more for "the people" and not just the white working class.
It's the white working class that was specifically maligned, though. For how long have they been neglected? For how long have they been forced to take a back seat to the interests of other minority groups? For how long should they endure being thought of as the deplorables?
Yes yes certainly, but that wouldn't necessarily mean to imply that they would have to be pitted so starkly against other groups. You should be able to appeal to white working class with something more productive than a message of every other demographic sucks. If not then the deplorable tag really would be well earned.
but he won white women, and he did better than romney with hispanics, and much higher with blacks and browns. He was portrayed as someone who hated minorities and women, but that's not reality.
Don't try and portray going from 1x% to 1y% is some sort of big win that means your party has wide appeal. It's pathetic sounding.
The amount of votes he got from minorities is pathetic. Then again apparently the Democrats don't have that wide of an appeal either if they can't convince whites to vote for them.
On November 10 2016 01:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So when the crisis starts to unfold in about what 2 years, who will Trump decide go to war with to try and rally and distract? Iran? Yemen?
What crisis?
If he decides he's going to use US debt as a bargaining chip and the economy starts to tank as a result, leaving NAFTA. Ya know the minor things...
On November 10 2016 01:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So when the crisis starts to unfold in about what 2 years, who will Trump decide go to war with to try and rally and distract? Iran? Yemen?
On November 10 2016 01:41 Incognoto wrote: the youtube audio is so crappy, the abc stream goes mute for no reason randomly and these people are cheering for no reason she lost lol
On November 10 2016 01:05 xDaunt wrote: [quote] Anyone can get an abortion in this country. Unless you're an advocate for late term abortions, the battle is being fought at the margins over convenience. This is a non-issue that is blown out of proportion by the left.
That is so egotistical it is disgusting. "I'm male, so I'm not affected, so I don't care". Jerk. Keep your nose out of women's affairs and let them decide you control freak.
Come on that's not what he said ...
I truly wonder : is the vote Trump some kind of millenarism ? Did US citizens showed their desire for the end of the world ?
I've had some tough discussion with students this morning. The media attacked their brains so much they actually thought Trump meant WW3.
Like I've said for a long time (and you have said the same), what exactly did Trump supporters have to lose? What was their alternative? They've been maligned culturally for so long, that a populist revolt was inevitable.
I think most people probably thought that type of revolt would be more palatable. Or more for "the people" and not just the white working class.
It's the white working class that was specifically maligned, though. For how long have they been neglected? For how long have they been forced to take a back seat to the interests of other minority groups? For how long should they endure being thought of as the deplorables?
Yes yes certainly, but that wouldn't necessarily mean to imply that they would have to be pitted so starkly against other groups. You should be able to appeal to white working class with something more productive than a message of every other demographic sucks. If not then the deplorable tag really would be well earned.
but he won white women, and he did better than romney with hispanics, and much higher with blacks and browns. He was portrayed as someone who hated minorities and women, but that's not reality.
Don't try and portray going from 1x% to 1y% is some sort of big win that means your party has wide appeal. It's pathetic sounding.
The amount of votes he got from minorities is pathetic. Then again apparently the Democrats don't have that wide of an appeal either if they can't convince whites to vote for them.
The white vote is more evenly split with numbers more in the 60/40 or closer range (I think at the biggest end you get like 65/35) by comparison to the more start 85/15ish you see with some minority groups.
Also don't ignore the fact that Trump is likely to lose the popular vote when thinking about who people voted for.
Can someone have the vote for white women ? I've read somewhere they voted Trump ?
Also, thanks Danglars for the link you gave me earlier (about electproject.org).
On November 10 2016 01:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So when the crisis starts to unfold in about what 2 years, who will Trump decide go to war with to try and rally and distract? Iran? Yemen?
Hahaha this might comes off as a joke, but it's a reasonable comment to me. Personally, I see him attacking some socialist country in south america.
On November 10 2016 01:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So when the crisis starts to unfold in about what 2 years, who will Trump decide go to war with to try and rally and distract? Iran? Yemen?
What crisis?
The next financial crisis
nice, someone remains in a current crises and we already see another one coming
EPT
