EPTOn November 10 2016 00:40 zatic wrote:
Nobody's got a fucking clue, and that's the problem.
Nobody's got a fucking clue, and that's the problem.
that's...disturbing, hope Merkel knows at least what to do
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
that's...disturbing, hope Merkel knows at least what to do | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:44 a_flayer wrote: I wasn't responding to your question. I was making a request because it became apparent to me that you were not ready to leave the election process behind you. It's done. I never called into question any part of the election process? Clinton should definitely concede, it's pretty clear she's lost at this point. The subject matter of that concession speech is the only thing I commented on. If you're firmly in the Trump camp you've probably spent a fair amount of time calling Hillary out for lieing and/or being overly doctored as a candidate. Me saying that she should be neither in her concession speech shouldn't be a stretch for you to understand. | ||
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Ektor Baboden
68 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:33 VayneAuthority wrote: Democrats lost independents like me when they continued to focus on anything except their actual candidate. The smugness and constant name-calling got to an absurd point. Calling everyone that didn't support Clinton with you racist and sexist...Democrats were their own worst enemy this election. Proof is in the pudding, Obama voters like myself decided this election. That's right, so many voters who are not racist or sexist, but decided that to better represent them, it would be a good idea to elect a president that has made several blatantly racist and sexist remarks. What a funny world we live in. When people in Europe elected fascist candidates to bring change at all costs, it didn't go that well. I can only hope Trump was making those senseless remarks just to get elected, and will actually be smart from now on. In any case I agree that Hillary was not the right candidate, but that's too easy to say now. (I am an immigrant and cannot vote.) | ||
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sharkie
Austria18517 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:09 Jormundr wrote: You're right. "I concede the nomination to senator Bernie Sanders." would have been a winning move. Maybe if she wasn't an egotistical moron who essentially laughed at the concerns of anyone but her inner circle she could have won. Maybe if she wasn't a shill for the coercive upper class she could have won. Maybe if she got rid of everything you praise her for, she could have won. But she didn't. She lacked integrity. She lacked compassion. She lacked vision. She lost us the most important election in our lifetimes, after rigging the primary. She wasn't worth it. As it turns out, you were 100% wrong. This country wanted a human being at the helm, not a robot. We wanted change, because the ship has been sinking for a long time. Just because you're too conceited to notice it doesn't mean it's not happening. I'm guessing you didn't notice it because you don't associate with wage workers.This country has remained stagnant for two decades and people are suffering for it. Nobody believed her when she pretended she was going to enact the same kinds of changes that Bernie supported, because everyone knew that she had no intention of even passing the half measures she promised. She spat in the face of every American and told us to like it because our only alternative was Trump (after she shot the best horse in the race). Maybe you should take a hint and realize that more than half of this country doesn't believe your bullshit or consider it the "lesser of two evils". You had "change" for 8 years | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9245 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:36 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: What does Trump means in terms of foreigner policy? Cause u know, we got some nothern empire on borders and that's a bit scary. In a gesture of good will, Trump will allow Putin to bomb your country into stone age. jk I expect Trump to heavily rely on advisors in foreign policy and I doubt there will be some major changes in the near future. Later he might come up with some crazy stuff but I really don't think he wants a 180 degreee turn in the relations with Russia. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:45 Logo wrote: I never called into question any part of the election process? Clinton should definitely concede, it's pretty clear she's lost at this point. The subject matter of that concession speech is the only thing I commented on. If you're firmly in the Trump camp you've probably spent a fair amount of time calling Hillary out for lieing and/or being overly doctored as a candidate. Me saying that she should be neither in her concession speech shouldn't be a stretch for you to understand. I have an extreme distaste of Trumps character and strongly disagree with about 75% of his proposed policies. It actually felt insulting to me for you to suggest anything otherwise (even though I do not blame you). | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:43 Ghostcom wrote: We are all excited to find out. Supposedly he wants the US to be less world police, for the other NATO members to invest more in their own military, and for the world to generally be better at solving its issues collectively (or rather without the US). At the same time he has stated that if there is a problem he is willing to more or less carpet bomb the region. He has sent plenty of signals that he wants to smooth out relations with Putin and Russia, but again: how obviously remains to be seen. Based on all that I feel more horror and not excited at all :| | ||
zatic
Zurich15355 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:45 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: that's...disturbing, hope Merkel knows at least what to do Yeah, good thing we have a leader with a track record of standing up to authoritarian dickheads! *sarcasm* For real though, this is chance for Merkel to lead and defend Western values, against the US if necessary. I personally doubt she has it in her though. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21952 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:45 Logo wrote: I never called into question any part of the election process? Clinton should definitely concede, it's pretty clear she's lost at this point. The subject matter of that concession speech is the only thing I commented on. If you're firmly in the Trump camp you've probably spent a fair amount of time calling Hillary out for lieing and/or being overly doctored as a candidate. Me saying that she should be neither in her concession speech shouldn't be a stretch for you to understand. She called Trump and conceded half a day ago. Her speech is later because she was probably to devastated to do it last night. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18114 Posts
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:49 zatic wrote: Yeah, good thing we have a leader with a track record of standing up to authoritarian dickheads! *sarcasm* For real though, this is chance for Merkel to lead and defend Western values, against the US if necessary. I personally doubt she has it in her though. It could've been easier having Britain on her side? Cause Germany, GB and France had the biggest value in EU seems so | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
1) American institutions are tremendously resilient. The impact that Trump will have without some degree of bipartisan support won't be that big. 2) Yes, Obamacare is done. Good riddance to it. It's clearly a steaming pile of shit and an anchor on the Democrats. But here's the silver lining: I give it a better than even chance that Trump advocates for some sort of government option (think Medicare for all) as the replacement. 3) Abortion rights aren't going anywhere. Gay rights aren't going anywhere. You've won on these issues. Even if Trump gets capped and Pence takes over, there's nothing that the president can do to unwind the progress that's been made. Virtually no judge that Trump may appoint will overturn the precedents that have been set. Judges are egotistical assholes, and they'd rather not tarnish their reputations (see John Roberts). And the American people don't have the appetite for a protracted cultural war on these issues right now. Trump didn't even run on those issues. There are bigger fish to fry. Which takes me to my last point.... 4) Trump is a moderate at heart, and I fully expect him to govern like a moderate. Pay attention to his speech from last night. Notice how he didn't mention the wall? Or even the immigration issue at all? I know everyone is all wound up thanks to the media's relentless negative portrayal of him over the past six months, but I think that there is a real danger that Trump's supporters will be the ones who find themselves supremely disappointed over the next two-four years. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:49 Acrofales wrote: Lol. The music on Hillary's stream has to be trolling us, right? First the ultra suspenseful dramatic soundtrack, and now the pompous brass band... what the hell? If you ask me, this has got to be the best possible soundtrack to this whole thing. Not just the outcome but in its entirety. Of course almost no one would get it but that's beside the point. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Admittedly, I don't live in the US although I have friends who do, so what I'm worried about is. Climate change, Trump doesn't believe in it, and that is going to fuck everybody. But hey, his golf courses will still have green grass. Foreign policy - Trump has shown very, very little grace when being poked and prodded even in a short debate. In multi-day talks when he can't simply shout down his opponents, that's going to be a pretty big danger. He also has some religious nutjobs foaming at the mouth to repeal a bunch of social progress, so that's going to suck. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:49 Acrofales wrote: Lol. The music on Hillary's stream has to be trolling us, right? First the ultra suspenseful dramatic soundtrack, and now the pompous brass band... what the hell? I'm tuning in and speechless at what I'm listening to | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:45 Ektor Baboden wrote: That's right, so many voters who are not racist or sexist, but decided that to better represent them, it would be a good idea to elect a president that has made several blatantly racist and sexist remarks. What a funny world we live in. When people in Europe elected fascist candidates to bring change at all costs, it didn't go that well. I can only hope Trump was making those senseless remarks just to get elected, and will actually be smart from now on. In any case I agree that Hillary was not the right candidate, but that's too easy to say now. (I am an immigrant and cannot vote.) Again, it's really not about the candidates. People are tired of politics as usual. I don't like Trump by any stretch, and would have voted sanders if its was that matchup. But in the end I wasn't going to comply and just take it in the ass again for 4 years. My taxes are the highest they have ever been and my state was going to be one of the biggest refugee takers which I absolutely did not want, they have already shown they are terrible at vetting. So in the end those two things are what actually made me vote. More importantly, a 12 time democrat incumbent got kicked out in my state by a black businessman in a county with a shitload of your classic racist trump supporters. If that doesn't tell you what happened, then I dunno. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6306 Posts
On November 10 2016 00:49 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Based on all that I feel more horror and not excited at all :| A considerable part of Ukraine's post-Maidan elite are tied to the political structures under the control of the Democrats. They will now need to prove their worth to Republican political structures or get replaced by new puppets. So expect a few sweaty faces in parliament. As for the frozen war in Donbass nothing will change, everyone wants to keep the status quo so both sides can keep profiteering. | ||
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Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
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