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On November 09 2016 23:55 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 23:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
That and Michelle Obama needs more experience i.e. terms as a Senator. .. eh? I think it's crystal clear that you don't need experience as senator etc to get elected. Again, not convinced she'd run either way, but considering what happened yesterday, ..
Difference is that Michelle Obama have the baggage of Barrack Obama.
If she would run for president, she would have to throw Barrack under the bus by criticizing him on that, black American's lives have not been particular great.
And the fact that Obama's two primary goals in getting out "affordable health care" and pulling troops out have been disastrous.
Because using Trump's oratory skills in debates, he will pound her hard.
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On November 10 2016 00:01 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 23:55 m4ini wrote:On November 09 2016 23:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
That and Michelle Obama needs more experience i.e. terms as a Senator. .. eh? I think it's crystal clear that you don't need experience as senator etc to get elected. Again, not convinced she'd run either way, but considering what happened yesterday, .. Difference is that Michelle Obama have the baggage of Barrack Obama. If she would run for president, she would have to throw Barrack under the bus by criticizing him on that, black American's lives have not been particular great. And the fact that Obama's two primary goals in getting out "affordable health care" and pulling troops out have been disastrous. Because using Trump's oratory skills in debates, he will pound her hard.
I think Michelle has proven to be tough if she needs be. In regards to affordable health care and pulling out troops (or guantanamo bay btw), she doesn't need to throw anyone under the bus. She only needs to explain to the americans why these things didn't happen the way they were supposed to.
Or do you actually think Obamacare in its current form is what Obama actually drafted? The problem seems to be that many americans are actually not familiar with what a president can, and more importantly, can not do.
Because using Trump's oratory skills in debates, he will pound her hard.
Just want to highlight that. He doesn't have "oratory skills". That's exactly why he won. Constantly blabbering "WRONG" into the mic isn't a skill. It's retarded, but apparently appealed to the majority of voters.
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I can only be glad I'm part of the privilege part of society. I just hope the economy doesn't tank.
The dice have been rolled. I just hope trump's voters don't pretend they know what he's going to do; he's not prepared substantively; he has only won a campaign as a TV personality.
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Alright, thanks for the replies!
I absolutely detest both candidates for this year, but the more I think about it, the more I think a Trump victory is a good thing in the long run. Not for the way the country will be led (because I think he'll be reeled back in if he's overreaching), but for the future landscape of politics in the US. I think I did say in the past that I hoped Hillary would win, but I started to doubt near the end if I actually wanted her to win just because she's just so vile.
Hillary would have only given us more of the same, with even more displeased citizens in the end. I don't think Trump is capable, or even intelligent, but Hillary would've just ensured stagnancy, which is worse in my opinion. So with Trump we'll have alot more change and turbulency, which gives chances for something good to come out of the woodwork.
What do you guys think?
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On November 10 2016 00:01 RealityIsKing wrote:
Because using Trump's oratory skills in debates.
You might have missed the debates. Any smart analysis of trump's win does not include the debates.
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On November 09 2016 23:42 oneofthem wrote:
hrc could have won this with a better msg and strategy. lack of urgency prevented more radical responses.
her own instincts were correct, not those of her advisors. it just wasnt enough to carry the day in those discussions.
speaking of coal country, it is now fracking country. think of that when arguing the sanders alternative.
You're right. "I concede the nomination to senator Bernie Sanders." would have been a winning move.
Maybe if she wasn't an egotistical moron who essentially laughed at the concerns of anyone but her inner circle she could have won. Maybe if she wasn't a shill for the coercive upper class she could have won. Maybe if she got rid of everything you praise her for, she could have won.
But she didn't.
She lacked integrity.
She lacked compassion.
She lacked vision.
She lost us the most important election in our lifetimes, after rigging the primary. She wasn't worth it. As it turns out, you were 100% wrong. This country wanted a human being at the helm, not a robot. We wanted change, because the ship has been sinking for a long time. Just because you're too conceited to notice it doesn't mean it's not happening. I'm guessing you didn't notice it because you don't associate with wage workers.This country has remained stagnant for two decades and people are suffering for it. Nobody believed her when she pretended she was going to enact the same kinds of changes that Bernie supported, because everyone knew that she had no intention of even passing the half measures she promised. She spat in the face of every American and told us to like it because our only alternative was Trump (after she shot the best horse in the race). Maybe you should take a hint and realize that more than half of this country doesn't believe your bullshit or consider it the "lesser of two evils".
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On November 10 2016 00:03 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2016 00:01 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 09 2016 23:55 m4ini wrote:On November 09 2016 23:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
That and Michelle Obama needs more experience i.e. terms as a Senator. .. eh? I think it's crystal clear that you don't need experience as senator etc to get elected. Again, not convinced she'd run either way, but considering what happened yesterday, .. Difference is that Michelle Obama have the baggage of Barrack Obama. If she would run for president, she would have to throw Barrack under the bus by criticizing him on that, black American's lives have not been particular great. And the fact that Obama's two primary goals in getting out "affordable health care" and pulling troops out have been disastrous. Because using Trump's oratory skills in debates, he will pound her hard. The problem seems to be that many americans are actually not familiar with what a president can, and more importantly, can not do.
He's gonna nuke everyone, right?
Or at least that's what a significant part of my facebook friends think.
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On November 10 2016 00:06 Uldridge wrote:
Alright, thanks for the replies!
I absolutely detest both candidates for this year, but the more I think about it, the more I think a Trump victory is a good thing in the long run. Not for the way the country will be led (because I think he'll be reeled back in if he's overreaching), but for the future landscape of politics in the US. I think I did say in the past that I hoped Hillary would win, but I started to doubt near the end if I actually wanted her to win just because she's just so vile.
Hillary would have only given us more of the same, with even more displeased citizens in the end. I don't think Trump is capable, or even intelligent, but Hillary would've just ensured stagnancy, which is worse in my opinion. So with Trump we'll have alot more change and turbulency, which gives chances for something good to come out of the woodwork.
What do you guys think?
I think you just wrote some pie in the sky that accepts a whole lot of risk.
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On November 10 2016 00:06 Uldridge wrote:
Alright, thanks for the replies!
I absolutely detest both candidates for this year, but the more I think about it, the more I think a Trump victory is a good thing in the long run. Not for the way the country will be led (because I think he'll be reeled back in if he's overreaching), but for the future landscape of politics in the US. I think I did say in the past that I hoped Hillary would win, but I started to doubt near the end if I actually wanted her to win just because she's just so vile.
Hillary would have only given us more of the same, with even more displeased citizens in the end. I don't think Trump is capable, or even intelligent, but Hillary would've just ensured stagnancy, which is worse in my opinion. So with Trump we'll have alot more change and turbulency, which gives chances for something good to come out of the woodwork.
What do you guys think?
I think the reason we had stagnancy with Obama/ would have had stagnancy with Hillary is because of the Republican-controlled Congress. Personally, as someone who's generally progressive (and definitely socially liberal) I would have rather had stagnancy than to go backwards against some of social reforms that have been fought for in this country, and that digression is going to happen over the next four years.
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On November 10 2016 00:01 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 23:55 m4ini wrote:On November 09 2016 23:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
That and Michelle Obama needs more experience i.e. terms as a Senator. .. eh? I think it's crystal clear that you don't need experience as senator etc to get elected. Again, not convinced she'd run either way, but considering what happened yesterday, .. Difference is that Michelle Obama have the baggage of Barrack Obama. If she would run for president, she would have to throw Barrack under the bus by criticizing him on that, black American's lives have not been particular great. And the fact that Obama's two primary goals in getting out "affordable health care" and pulling troops out have been disastrous. Because using Trump's oratory skills in debates, he will pound her hard.
I still don't see what the problem was with pulling troops out of Iraq. Those ISIS people would still have been in northern Iraq and Syria regardless of what happened just like slightly more moderate of their kind are also in other regions of Iraq even now. Would there have been more or less death? Who knows. Shouldn't have gone in to begin with, really. That's what caused the million of Iraqis to die in the first place.
One of these days, the US will realize what they've been doing...+ Show Spoiler +
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turbulency can produce positive results, but it usually doesn't.
forcing things to get bad enough so that change happens comes with a very high price.
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On November 10 2016 00:09 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 23:42 oneofthem wrote:
hrc could have won this with a better msg and strategy. lack of urgency prevented more radical responses.
her own instincts were correct, not those of her advisors. it just wasnt enough to carry the day in those discussions.
speaking of coal country, it is now fracking country. think of that when arguing the sanders alternative. You're right. "I concede the nomination to senator Bernie Sanders." would have been a winning move. Maybe if she wasn't an egotistical moron who essentially laughed at the concerns of anyone but her inner circle she could have won. Maybe if she wasn't a shill for the coercive upper class she could have won. Maybe if she got rid of everything you praise her for, she could have won. But she didn't. She lacked integrity. She lacked compassion. She lacked vision. She lost us the most important election in our lifetimes, after rigging the primary. She wasn't worth it. As it turns out, you were 100% wrong. This country wanted a human being at the helm, not a robot. We wanted change, because the ship has been sinking for a long time. Just because you're too conceited to notice it doesn't mean it's not happening. I'm guessing you didn't notice it because you don't associate with wage workers.This country has remained stagnant for two decades and people are suffering for it. Nobody believed her when she pretended she was going to enact the same kinds of changes that Bernie supported, because everyone knew that she had no intention of even passing the half measures she promised. She spat in the face of every American and told us to like it because our only alternative was Trump (after she shot the best horse in the race). Maybe you should take a hint and realize that more than half of this country doesn't believe your bullshit or consider it the "lesser of two evils".
why would she concede when sanders is a policy dunce of historic caliber and lost by millions of votes? get over yourself, or not, and keep fighting the establishment.
the perception issues she has on the left are just that, perception issues stemming from activated movement against globalization and anger vs finance
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On November 10 2016 00:09 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2016 00:03 m4ini wrote:On November 10 2016 00:01 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 09 2016 23:55 m4ini wrote:On November 09 2016 23:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
That and Michelle Obama needs more experience i.e. terms as a Senator. .. eh? I think it's crystal clear that you don't need experience as senator etc to get elected. Again, not convinced she'd run either way, but considering what happened yesterday, .. Difference is that Michelle Obama have the baggage of Barrack Obama. If she would run for president, she would have to throw Barrack under the bus by criticizing him on that, black American's lives have not been particular great. And the fact that Obama's two primary goals in getting out "affordable health care" and pulling troops out have been disastrous. Because using Trump's oratory skills in debates, he will pound her hard. The problem seems to be that many americans are actually not familiar with what a president can, and more importantly, can not do. He's gonna nuke everyone, right? Or at least that's what a significant part of my facebook friends think.
Well that entirely depends on whether or not he's allowed to view social media during his presidency  Someone needs to tell him that he can't nuke Hollywood though.
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Anyone have a link to the Clinton speech?
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On November 10 2016 00:03 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2016 00:01 RealityIsKing wrote:On November 09 2016 23:55 m4ini wrote:On November 09 2016 23:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
That and Michelle Obama needs more experience i.e. terms as a Senator. .. eh? I think it's crystal clear that you don't need experience as senator etc to get elected. Again, not convinced she'd run either way, but considering what happened yesterday, .. Difference is that Michelle Obama have the baggage of Barrack Obama. If she would run for president, she would have to throw Barrack under the bus by criticizing him on that, black American's lives have not been particular great. And the fact that Obama's two primary goals in getting out "affordable health care" and pulling troops out have been disastrous. Because using Trump's oratory skills in debates, he will pound her hard. I think Michelle has proven to be tough if she needs be. In regards to affordable health care and pulling out troops (or guantanamo bay btw), she doesn't need to throw anyone under the bus. She only needs to explain to the americans why these things didn't happen the way they were supposed to. Or do you actually think Obamacare in its current form is what Obama actually drafted? The problem seems to be that many americans are actually not familiar with what a president can, and more importantly, can not do. Just want to highlight that. He doesn't have "oratory skills". That's exactly why he won. Constantly blabbering "WRONG" into the mic isn't a skill. It's retarded, but apparently appealed to the majority of voters.
It might be what he drafted, he is still the core of the operation.
A president role is to sign bills so if he is not happy with the draft, he could have not sign it.
But he did.
Trump is capable of talking eloquently as displayed on his interview from Oprah, his acceptance speech AND he is able to connect with the average Americans by using concise words to summarize an otherwise complex situation.
He is a chameleon, that's his charm.
Hillary wasn't able to connect with the average americans, all she does is to that fake laugh stick.
America have gained a valuable asset!
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On November 10 2016 00:12 Draconicfire wrote:
Anyone have a link to the Clinton speech?
Was delayed until 1030est.
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Stream should be up soon though no? If not already.
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this trump thing might be a positive on russia in this sense, it forcibly closes the militarized, strategic contest path. we probably lose a bit of hard to defend territory, get a more defensible western sphere after trump goes out.
provided there are no bad incidents that lead to military escalation,
maybe after a few years of trump people would see kleptocracy as the new grand threat and look to develop a direct message against that.
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On November 10 2016 00:09 Doodsmack wrote:
I think you just wrote some pie in the sky that accepts a whole lot of risk.
I mean you have to try to see something positive in the entire joke of a state of affairs this is.
On November 10 2016 00:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think the reason we had stagnancy with Obama/ would have had stagnancy with Hillary is because of the Republican-controlled Congress. Personally, as someone who's generally progressive (and definitely socially liberal) I would have rather had stagnancy than to go backwards against some of social reforms that have been fought for in this country, and that digression is going to happen over the next four years.
I don't know, maybe the Democratic party will become a better version of itself.
Sometimes you have to go backwards on a bigger scale to realize how good everything was, so people might some day become smarter.
I'm kind of a high risk high reward person though so
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I can provide a link to the Danish stream - probably not going to help you though
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