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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2016 14:51 GMT
#122501
That and Michelle Obama needs more experience i.e. terms as a Senator.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46679 Posts
November 09 2016 14:52 GMT
#122502
On November 09 2016 23:50 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 23:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 09 2016 23:43 m4ini wrote:
On November 09 2016 23:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 09 2016 23:39 farvacola wrote:
On November 09 2016 23:38 m4ini wrote:
Small question, since i'm not familiar with the process: if Michelle would chose to run for presidency, could she do it already in four years or is there a mandatory "pause" because she's married to a (soon to be) former president?

She could do it in four years, and there is already talk bubbling up to that effect.


Having a similar enthusiasm and energy and eloquence to Barack's + minority vote + women vote + scandal-free = Could certainly be a force to be reckoned with, and she would have more experience than Donald Trump ran on.


Personal view, she would destroy Trump. I actually believe she'd be a decent president, certainly better than what you got to chose from this election.

That being said, if she's smart, she won't run. And we know she's smart.


She's definitely smart. When you say you won't think she'll run, do you mean at all? Or perhaps later in 2-4 election cycles, after building up a meatier political resume? With all the bullshit that Barack had to go through, I wouldn't be surprised if Michelle didn't want to go through it again.


I'm not certain. I'm sure she won't run in four years. At all.. I don't know, she knows the process of being a president, and what "it did" to Obama who aged 30 years in just 8. I actually don't even know how old she is, but i'm pretty sure the "longer she waits", the less likely it will be for her to run.

I think she's happy that the presidency thing is over now, and at least to some degree "normality" will kick in.


I agree with you.
btw Barack is 55 and Michelle is 52.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
November 09 2016 14:52 GMT
#122503
On November 09 2016 23:50 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 23:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 09 2016 23:43 m4ini wrote:
On November 09 2016 23:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 09 2016 23:39 farvacola wrote:
On November 09 2016 23:38 m4ini wrote:
Small question, since i'm not familiar with the process: if Michelle would chose to run for presidency, could she do it already in four years or is there a mandatory "pause" because she's married to a (soon to be) former president?

She could do it in four years, and there is already talk bubbling up to that effect.


Having a similar enthusiasm and energy and eloquence to Barack's + minority vote + women vote + scandal-free = Could certainly be a force to be reckoned with, and she would have more experience than Donald Trump ran on.


Personal view, she would destroy Trump. I actually believe she'd be a decent president, certainly better than what you got to chose from this election.

That being said, if she's smart, she won't run. And we know she's smart.


She's definitely smart. When you say you won't think she'll run, do you mean at all? Or perhaps later in 2-4 election cycles, after building up a meatier political resume? With all the bullshit that Barack had to go through, I wouldn't be surprised if Michelle didn't want to go through it again.


I'm not certain. I'm sure she won't run in four years. At all.. I don't know, she knows the process of being a president, and what "it did" to Obama who aged 30 years in just 8. I actually don't even know how old she is, but i'm pretty sure the "longer she waits", the less likely it will be for her to run.

I think she's happy that the presidency thing is over now, and at least to some degree "normality" will kick in.


She's 52 and I also think she has zero intention to go through this nightmare again. But who knows, perhaps the white house has a certain draw to it and she starts to miss it after 2-3 years.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46679 Posts
November 09 2016 14:53 GMT
#122504
On November 09 2016 23:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
That and Michelle Obama needs more experience i.e. terms as a Senator.


Before Trump became president-elect, I would have agreed with you. As of right this second, Michelle Obama has more experience than Donald Trump.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 09 2016 14:53 GMT
#122505
globalization brings a lot of benefits, most people just cna't se eit. most people are obliviously unaware of a great many things, and terribly ignorant of them. many people vote in part with significant misunderstandings of basic provable facts.
globalization benefits tend to be diffuse, whereas the downsides tend to be focused.
e.g. if five thousand people lose their jobs they notice, whereas if that means everyone else gains $1, people may not notice or attribut ethat extra $1 to it.
it's been well documented psychologically that people tend to notice and more strongly feel about losses compared to gains.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 14:56:40
November 09 2016 14:53 GMT
#122506
michelle is a fine orator and all but i dont know if she would generate the kind of conversation the country needs.

id want someone who is nonpartisan, deeply committed to longterm american strategic interests and cares about the people.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 09 2016 14:55 GMT
#122507
On November 09 2016 23:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
That and Michelle Obama needs more experience i.e. terms as a Senator.


.. eh?

I think it's crystal clear that you don't need experience as senator etc to get elected. Again, not convinced she'd run either way, but considering what happened yesterday, ..
On track to MA1950A.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5237 Posts
November 09 2016 14:56 GMT
#122508
So now that a republican is president, can a republican campaign against him for the next elections, or is that not done/impossible/political suicide? I forget if a democrat ran against Obama in 2012..
So if it is not done, only members of opposing parties can run against the current president?
Taxes are for Terrans
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2016 14:56 GMT
#122509
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 14:58:10
November 09 2016 14:57 GMT
#122510
I believe there's technically a 2020 Republican primary, but I'm not sure if an incumbent has ever lost it. It's unwise unless they step down.

(for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012)

Maaaaybe if Trump completely abandons all his social conservative campaign promises or goes totally nuts someone will run and have a chance.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46679 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 14:58:47
November 09 2016 14:57 GMT
#122511
On November 09 2016 23:56 Uldridge wrote:
So now that a republican is president, can a republican campaign against him for the next elections, or is that not done/impossible/political suicide? I forget if a democrat ran against Obama in 2012..
So if it is not done, only members of opposing parties can run against the current president?


If Trump is shitty, then I could easily imagine other Republicans (establishment ones) wanting to replace him in four years.

Edit: Or Kanye West.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18874 Posts
November 09 2016 14:57 GMT
#122512
On November 09 2016 23:56 Uldridge wrote:
So now that a republican is president, can a republican campaign against him for the next elections, or is that not done/impossible/political suicide? I forget if a democrat ran against Obama in 2012..
So if it is not done, only members of opposing parties can run against the current president?

Trump is our president elect; anything can happen. Typically, only the opposing party runs a candidate against an incumbent president.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 09 2016 14:57 GMT
#122513
On November 09 2016 23:53 oneofthem wrote:
michelle is a fine orator and all but i dont know if she would generate the kind of conversation the country needs.

id want someone who is nonpartisan, deeply committed to longterm american strategic interests and cares about the people.


Nonpartisan in a two party system.

That doesn't sound at all delusional.
On track to MA1950A.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 09 2016 14:57 GMT
#122514
On November 09 2016 23:56 Uldridge wrote:
So now that a republican is president, can a republican campaign against him for the next elections, or is that not done/impossible/political suicide? I forget if a democrat ran against Obama in 2012..
So if it is not done, only members of opposing parties can run against the current president?

they dont have any real issues to pick with him. why fight when you can buy
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 09 2016 14:57 GMT
#122515
On November 09 2016 23:56 Uldridge wrote:
So now that a republican is president, can a republican campaign against him for the next elections, or is that not done/impossible/political suicide? I forget if a democrat ran against Obama in 2012..
So if it is not done, only members of opposing parties can run against the current president?

it's perfectly legal and fin for others to go against him in the primary.
In general it's often not done if the president has decent approval ratings, as the odds of beating an incumbent in the primary are terrible unless that incumbent has poor approval ratings.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9256 Posts
November 09 2016 14:57 GMT
#122516
On November 09 2016 23:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/PeterRNeumann/status/796257632873025536

There is no 'leader of the free world' it's always been a self congratulatory but pointless term
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
November 09 2016 14:58 GMT
#122517
On November 09 2016 23:56 Uldridge wrote:
So now that a republican is president, can a republican campaign against him for the next elections, or is that not done/impossible/political suicide? I forget if a democrat ran against Obama in 2012..
So if it is not done, only members of opposing parties can run against the current president?

Possible, but generally not done. If Trump fucks it up enough, it'll happen, though.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 09 2016 14:59 GMT
#122518
On November 09 2016 23:57 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 23:53 oneofthem wrote:
michelle is a fine orator and all but i dont know if she would generate the kind of conversation the country needs.

id want someone who is nonpartisan, deeply committed to longterm american strategic interests and cares about the people.


Nonpartisan in a two party system.

That doesn't sound at all delusional.

it does not. the military is the only political institution of high crosscutting trust. a lot of senior leadership would make fine candidates
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
November 09 2016 14:59 GMT
#122519
Michelle for president? I don't see that at all,not even if she wanted to. Oprah would have a better chance I think.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6344 Posts
November 09 2016 14:59 GMT
#122520
On November 09 2016 23:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/PeterRNeumann/status/796257632873025536

Cringe - the tweet

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