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sharkie
Austria18518 Posts
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pmh
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Supter
France382 Posts
I don't can if you want to fuck up your own country, but don't ruin this planet for the rest of us God damnit. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11629 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:46 Introvert wrote: Don't know why I'm still up, but she does, in the end, win the popular vote. You Democrats have got to stop packing yourselves into these states! Spread out, the rest of America isn't so bad! This also shows a big weakness in the US election system. Somehow, a minority of the population is able to control a majority in all parts of the legislative, the highest court of the iudicative and control the executive. This is obviouly broken. 2 party FPTP with so many weird archaic relics as in the US means that instead of simply winning the people over, you have to win in a very convoluted game with weird rules that make no sense whatsoever. I am not quite certain why people accept that as normal. I get that it isn't easy to change, but i think a lot of the US population has to no idea that other democractic election systems exist. Which don't have those problems. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4211 Posts
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pmh
1366 Posts
On November 09 2016 14:16 zeo wrote: What a huge fuck you to the mainstream media. Feels so good. ya this so much User was warned for this post | ||
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Noidberg
United States17 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:44 papaz wrote: Honest question, why couldn't nearly half of the USA be out of their minds? Why is that so hard to imagine? Being out of ones mind in this case refers to the fact that Trump focus more on things he hates, people he want to see in jail, walls he wants to build among other things and there are people cheering for that. Nearly half of USA. That is scary. I'm not saying that Clinton is a saint and should have won but never in my life have I heard a person being so hateful, angry and down right wrong in so many areas but yet get so much support. So sorry for not understanding why it's not possible for half of the US citizens be out of their minds. Why wouldn't people instead of voting for Trump or Clinton vote for someone else if they think the candidates are so bad? Clinton wanting to war with russia means total disaster. If you cant see clintons greed and hate you are blind. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21952 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:53 Impervious wrote: They fucking played "You can't always get what you want" by the Rolling Stones at the end of that speech. Holy fuck. Didn't he play the same song during the primary? Maybe he just likes the song. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10809 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:47 pmh wrote: Its the end of the power of the media,thank heaven for that. They send so much crap into the air that the people simply don't care and listen to them anymore. Maybe they will learn from this,but most likely not. A reality TV-Star is the end of the media? Uhm, shit like this is what i just can't understand. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:39 Penev wrote: But I take it you agree Trump is a disgusting individual then? Yeah i do. | ||
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Penev
28503 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:44 bardtown wrote: The point is that they are consistently wrong because they are failing to take into account effects that have been observed in similar votes as recently as a few months ago. And then that the media somehow go from a margin of error lead to a 98% chance of victory. Spoken like an imbecile who has never been to the US. He's exaggerating and should have said western Europe | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16998 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:41 Gorsameth wrote: Socially the US is a century behind Europe. That's why we cant imagine someone like Trump being elected. Its like looking back in time at the 1800's / early 1900's. so Trump is a six foot two Napoleon. thanks for the laugh. the US doesn't have to follow Europe.."socially". who says doing things in lock step with Europe is good any way. if Trump gets the economy rockin' i'm happy. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:58 SoSexy wrote: Did Kwark get ban? Pretty sure he admitted defeat and took the 90 days. There was a post earlier. | ||
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Introvert
United States4862 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:52 Simberto wrote: This also shows a big weakness in the US election system. Somehow, a minority of the population is able to control a majority in all parts of the legislative, the highest court of the iudicative and control the executive. This is obviouly broken. 2 party FPTP with so many weird archaic relics as in the US means that instead of simply winning the people over, you have to win in a very convoluted game with weird rules that make no sense whatsoever. I am not quite certain why people accept that as normal. I get that it isn't easy to change, but i think a lot of the US population has to no idea that other democractic election systems exist. Which don't have those problems. It still isn't 2000 bad, Clinton should not have lost PA, WI, or MI at all. Shw might also lose NH. She earned this loss, if that makes sense. And 55 from CA is a great advantage for democrats. I just find this super interesting from a process point of view. Protection against the majority indeed. | ||
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:56 JimmyJRaynor wrote: how long is it before Congress can become controlled by teh Democrats? so Trump is a six foot two Napoleon. thanks for the laugh. the US doesn't have to follow Europe.."socially". who says doing things in lock step with Europe is good any way. if Trump gets the economy rockin' i'm happy. Napoleon was 5'9 or something fyi. his guarde de corps were 6'2 minimum. But the French measured people differently. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6250 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the other large trend of women underperforming their polling avg shows polling as an act itself invokes polite behavior, but when the underlying judgment becomes social impropriety vs perceived crimes or corruption former is not strong enough. it was always incumbent on hrc to fight the policy argument fight. against a populist headwind to be sure, but polling obscured need for this. messaging strategy is a fail for only engaging with aboveboard narratives and failing to engage the derided alts from both left and right. this was difficult but it had to be done, given extreme reliance on fake news and social media. the other fallout is that right or not, the third way people on left would lose some influence and politics turn more into class struggle and anti-capitalist. it is probably going to involve a war in the dem side. conceding the messaging to the populists seems to be compelled by circumstance. this would in turn expose the other fact during this election, middle upper class vote for selfish reasons. if there is a stark class war of the bernie vs trumpish republican kind, the republican would win. the circumstances are such that the left would not learn the right lessons. doubling down on populism would be the thing to do, but it is really a case of center weakness and not left strength. a pure left-populist message would not win if framed as threat to suburban sensibilities. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
Not to mention Donald is such a wildcard who in the flying fuck knows what he will really do when he actually has power. I'm pretty sure he knew most if not all of his grand ideas were impossible. He just knew he could strike a cord with the dullard masses and become President saying it... | ||
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