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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11629 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:10 Gorsameth wrote: Fighting climate change, gone LGBT rights, gone I wonder if the Republicans will have the guts to actually remove the ACA since there is no replacement. Say goodbye to all the progress the US made in the past decades. Guess Idiocracy was right. American, you done fucked up. Yeah, i have to say, i simply can not explain this election result. It just makes no sense. Why would anyone vote for someone like trump is beyond me. I would vote for a literal stone over that guy. Does this mean that US politics is now completely unhinged from reality? Apparently it does not matter what is actually going on, the only thing relevant is what you claim. You can lie however much you want and still get elected president. And lets not even start about Pence. Pence is just disgusting. That man manages to demonstrate that he has no idea how science works, and still despises it in just 5 minutes of talking about evolution. And gay conversion camps... It is just so unimaginably insane to vote these people into a position of power, and actually give those people more power than Obama had. They can actually make laws, because they somehow control both houses of the US legislation, and they can not have those laws challenged because they control the supreme court, because the republicans were so incredibly dickish to just keep a slot in there open for a year just in case they won the election. This alone should have lost them the election. But for some reason it didn't. I agree that the US electoral system is horrifyingly stupid, but still, even with that horrible system you should have been able to elect someone less insane than trump. Elect a log of wood. It's still better than Trump. I just hope that he only fucks up your country, and doesn't manage to drag the EU down with him somehow. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:10 Gorsameth wrote: Fighting climate change, gone LGBT rights, gone I wonder if the Republicans will have the guts to actually remove the ACA since there is no replacement. Say goodbye to all the progress the US made in the past decades. Guess Idiocracy was right. American, you done fucked up. Trump has always supported LGBT rights as far as I know. Climate change is potentially a big loss, but I think change in this inevitable, regardless of policy It makes undeniable economic sense on every level, so businesses will eventually adjust, it will just take longer. This is not the end of the world at all (unless it will actually be too late, of course... that's a risk). I just hope Europe take this as the wake-up call that it ought to be. We need to remain united and make sure we develop our own continent in the image that we see is best for the world. Something away from Americanism. Something that can stand alone if need be. We cannot count on the Americans. Look at what they did. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16998 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: ya, that's kinda what i was sayin' earlier. she should've conceded publicly. when Team Canada lost in hockey in the 1st year pros were allowed to play hockey in the olympics wayne gretzky came out and answered every damn question. it was fucking brutal.. but he did it. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11629 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:19 Scrubwave wrote: Hahaha, holy hell, you people actually believe the crap you're saying? That's right, lgbtqwtfbbqfaq people are being clobbered to death on the streets as we speak, being non-hetero will be outlawed soon and Trump will create millions of jobs as Straight Enforcers. Only for white CIS men, of course. Get real. His vice-president is a lunatic who supports gay conversion camps. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:21 a_flayer wrote: Trump has always supported LGBT rights as far as I know. Climate change is potentially a big loss, but I think change in this inevitable, regardless of policy It makes undeniable economic sense on every level, so businesses will eventually adjust, it will just take longer. This is not the end of the world at all. I just hope Europe take this as the wake-up call that it ought to be. We need to remain united and make sure we develop our own continent in the image that we see is best for the world. Something away from Americanism. Something that can stand alone if need be. We cannot count on the Americans. Look at what they did. If the judges Trump appoints to SCOTUS are going to overturn Roe v Wade (and he said they would) they're going to overturn rulings in favor of LGBT. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12325 Posts
And can't wait for the popularity of congress to shoot back up because it's Trump who appointed it, even though they'll be doing exactly the same thing. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:18 Blisse wrote: Again, that's how modelling and statistics work. Ignoring the news outlets who do this stuff with no formal math background, but pollsters are highly aware that biases and blindsides exist. That's why all models are created with ranges in mind, where you account for the likelihood of biases and blind spots. For large, important, non-repeatable events like elections, there can be completely new blind spots, like Trump supporters underrepresenting their support because they're shamed for it. This data destroys the ranges devised by the current model, but helps the next time by calculating whether the situation is similar and expanding or contracting that range calculation. Imagine a model of the weather 30 years ago, and then we find out that the ozone layer is deteriorating and we have to reevaluate the model. And then we realized the polar ice caps melted which messed with El Niño and we have to reevaluate the model. And so on and so on. It's like science experiments. Well-done polling for repeatable, low variance events can be accurate but it's not like it's an exact science, so like all pollsters will tell you, trust only the final poll. Blame media outlets for copping out and reporting on polls instead of having reporters investigate real stories. In fairness, there's been a succession of polls falling to the same pitfall in the past year. In the UK we had Conservatives very significantly underrepresented in generation election polling, and then Brexit voters significantly underrepresented in the EU referendum polls. Huffington Post was touting a 98% chance for Hillary to win before the results started coming in. That is insane to me, given that she was leading by 4 points - the same polling margin as Remain in the EU referendum - in somewhat similar circumstances to the EU referendum. Precedents have been completely dismissed. Modifications to methodologies have been designed, but I guess most pollsters considered them too new or untested to be used for such a significant event. | ||
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12325 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:25 Scrubwave wrote: And it will slippery slope into lgbts having no rights. Your fear tactics obviously didn't work pre and during election, they won't now. That's not a fear tactic. You'd have to care to fear. | ||
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Penev
28503 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:20 Simberto wrote: Yeah, i have to say, i simply can not explain this election result. It just makes no sense. Why would anyone vote for someone like trump is beyond me. I would vote for a literal stone over that guy. Does this mean that US politics is now completely unhinged from reality? Apparently it does not matter what is actually going on, the only thing relevant is what you claim. You can lie however much you want and still get elected president. And lets not even start about Pence. Pence is just disgusting. That man manages to demonstrate that he has no idea how science works, and still despises it in just 5 minutes of talking about evolution. And gay conversion camps... It is just so unimaginably insane to vote these people into a position of power, and actually give those people more power than Obama had. They can actually make laws, because they somehow control both houses of the US legislation, and they can not have those laws challenged because they control the supreme court, because the republicans were so incredibly dickish to just keep a slot in there open for a year just in case they won the election. This alone should have lost them the election. But for some reason it didn't. I agree that the US electoral system is horrifyingly stupid, but still, even with that horrible system you should have been able to elect someone less insane than trump. Elect a log of wood. It's still better than Trump. I just hope that he only fucks up your country, and doesn't manage to drag the EU down with him somehow. Having an economy of the size like the US go bad is bad for everyone. Besides, I don't want any people to suffer. But I agree, why vote for such a disgusting man, or why even vote for the political right even? If anything the US needed a yank.. to the left. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21952 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:19 Scrubwave wrote: Hahaha, holy hell, you people actually believe the crap you're saying? That's right, lgbtqwtfbbqfaq people are being clobbered to death on the streets as we speak, being non-hetero will be outlawed soon and Trump will create millions of jobs as Straight Enforcers. Only for white CIS men, of course. Get real. No their not going to get clobbered in the street (hopefully, who knows at this point) but do you honestly believe that a Republican House, Republican Senate, Republican Presidency, Republican Supreme Court is not going to do everything they can to make gay marriage illegal and annul those already given you? Do you honestly think that the tentative steps taken by Obama for Transgenders are not going to get reversed instantly? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18115 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:01 bardtown wrote: As far as abortion goes, Trump is probably more centrist than any other Republican candidate. While the left is busy accusing him of being far right, the right are accusing him of being a Democrat. What I'm saying is, changes to abortion laws seem less likely under Trump than any other Republican candidate, and Hillary would likely have lost to any of them. What nonsense is this? Poland isn't IN western Europe, and it is doing just fine. While Trump may not give a shit about abortion, his only opinion on women seems to be that they are fun to grab by the pussy. His running mate, however, has a rather strong opinion on abortion, and by all accounts will have quite a large influence on policy decisions (due to having an actual clue). | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On November 09 2016 19:49 Penev wrote: Or, you know, you could just be nice and answer a question Ah ok, here is a video that sums up my opinion: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
This guy will make the world a worse place, it will be bad for the world but americans will regret this more. Hillary was not a good candidate, Bernie was better but Trump? A guy that makes politics with "it's going to be great", "i'm going to make it better!" .. It's like a daft punk music "better, stronger, faster" .. he's got nothing to say | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16998 Posts
 i just hope Trump can get the US economy running like it did under Reagan and (bill) Clinton. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
Lmao, they are in for a (nother) disappointment of their lives. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18115 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:21 a_flayer wrote: Trump has always supported LGBT rights as far as I know. Climate change is potentially a big loss, but I think change in this inevitable, regardless of policy It makes undeniable economic sense on every level, so businesses will eventually adjust, it will just take longer. This is not the end of the world at all (unless it will actually be too late, of course... that's a risk). I just hope Europe take this as the wake-up call that it ought to be. We need to remain united and make sure we develop our own continent in the image that we see is best for the world. Something away from Americanism. Something that can stand alone if need be. We cannot count on the Americans. Look at what they did. And that is probably the most damaging thing about this election. Dubya did a lot of damage to the Euro-US alliance that has held strong through 60 years of unprecedented economic and technological advance, and probably been the main cause of most of that advance. But there's a good chance Trump can actually break the trust that Europe has in the US. It's really going to hinge on how he deals with Russia and Iran. Europe is rather happy with the Iran deal, and rather afraid of Russia's military posturing. Trump seems dead set on dealing with these two issues in the diametrically oposite manner from what most Europeans want, but maybe he'll manage to appoint someone sane as secretary of state. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
You can't say that nearly half of USA citizens are out of their mind. You just can't stand them and that would be actually an acurrate representation of the reality. Didn't eveyone know it before? If you close your eyes, reality doesn't go away. Even if it is smells like hell. | ||
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