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On November 09 2016 19:46 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 19:44 StarStruck wrote:On November 09 2016 18:40 CorsairHero wrote:On November 09 2016 18:30 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Well the world just got alot less predictable...
As a Canadian, I hop his stance on NAFTA is swayed or in some way impossible because if that gets axed....we are in trouble. Good thing we have a trade agreement with the EU now Looks pretty darn good now considering if Trump undoes a lot of things the States is going to have a lot of major setbacks.When you make the primary focus about attacking someone else it usually loses you an election more often than not. It's odd because Trump was throwing and slinging just as much mud and it wasn't just against Clinton. His mudslinging regarding the polls was apparently correct. The fact that he praised them when they showed him on the rise slightly means very little, as they were still relatively inaccurate compared to the actual results despite the slight sway in his favour.
Those polls and the whole statistic behind it is utter nonsense. Asking 500 people for something so reliant on more than just demograhic, which alone is very complex already, to create "accurate" statistics for millions of people is a pretty retarded idea. I really don't understand why so much attention is payed to the polls. They only show large movements but they aren't even remotely accurate when it comes to exact calls.
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On November 09 2016 19:49 bardtown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 19:47 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:46 Laurens wrote:On November 09 2016 19:41 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:39 Scrubwave wrote:On November 09 2016 19:37 Disengaged wrote:
I wake up to a god damn nightmare.
This country is doomed. Better move out then. May I suggest some poor African country? How about a rich European country? You are welcome in the Netherlands Disengaged So you're pretty anti-Trump but you would advocate The Netherlands as a good place to run towards for people who don't like him. That's funny. Explain Isn't your populist anti-Islamisation movement stronger than that in the US? I mean, it's actually a relevant issue in NL and not just a scapegoat.
No it isn't. But that's not even what this is about. I replied to Scrubwave because his post suggests that a vote to the left equals poverty. A country like the Netherlands operates far more on the left than the US does but it is still rich.
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On November 09 2016 19:51 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 19:49 bardtown wrote:On November 09 2016 19:47 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:46 Laurens wrote:On November 09 2016 19:41 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:39 Scrubwave wrote:On November 09 2016 19:37 Disengaged wrote:
I wake up to a god damn nightmare.
This country is doomed. Better move out then. May I suggest some poor African country? How about a rich European country? You are welcome in the Netherlands Disengaged So you're pretty anti-Trump but you would advocate The Netherlands as a good place to run towards for people who don't like him. That's funny. Explain Isn't your populist anti-Islamisation movement stronger than that in the US? I mean, it's actually a relevant issue in NL and not just a scapegoat. Edit: Not fair to call it a scapegoat in the US. But it affects more people on a daily basis in NL. This. Not to mention it dates back all the way to 2002, and who knows what would've happened if Fortuyn wasn't assassinated in the week before the elections. For people who find Trump repulsive there are many superior choices to The Netherlands.
This makes you sound happy he was murdered... yeah real morale highground you got there
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On November 09 2016 19:57 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 19:49 bardtown wrote:On November 09 2016 19:47 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:46 Laurens wrote:On November 09 2016 19:41 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:39 Scrubwave wrote:On November 09 2016 19:37 Disengaged wrote:
I wake up to a god damn nightmare.
This country is doomed. Better move out then. May I suggest some poor African country? How about a rich European country? You are welcome in the Netherlands Disengaged So you're pretty anti-Trump but you would advocate The Netherlands as a good place to run towards for people who don't like him. That's funny. Explain Isn't your populist anti-Islamisation movement stronger than that in the US? I mean, it's actually a relevant issue in NL and not just a scapegoat. No it isn't. But that's not even what this is about. I replied to Scrubwave because his post suggests that a vote to the left equals poverty. A country like the Netherlands operates far more on the left than the US does but it is still rich.
It's especially ironic because poland is reigned by right-wingers, yet it has one of the poorest economies in western europe.
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On November 09 2016 19:55 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 19:37 Clonester wrote:On November 09 2016 19:32 Blisse wrote:On November 09 2016 19:24 Scrubwave wrote:On November 09 2016 19:21 Miragee wrote:On November 09 2016 19:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 09 2016 19:09 Scrubwave wrote:
All those liberal tears.
All that "progressive" salt.
All those impotent celebrities stomping their legs.
All those journalists left with nothing at all.
Christmas came early this year.
Best fap material of '16. Here's one of my personal favourites ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChflcUAU4AUXAHT.jpg:large) I really can't believe you are celebrating the win of Trump. This is such a sad day. Liberal here, liberal there. Do you know what that term even means? Just because your dawg didn't win doesn't make it a sad day. If you think this was a good vs evil election and good lost you need to get your head outta your ass. Jesus Christ rude much? I'm with Miragee, i hate this bipartisan notion that being liberal is evil. All it means is being open to new ideas. I absolutely hate that that term is smeared by this left-right anti-intellectual movement. It's a sad day because we're ending 8 years worth of a solid progressive movement led by Obama, if Trump is actually going to repeal same-sex marriage, for example. Can you really not empathise with people who have something to lose, like TotalBiscuit if Trump repeals Obamacare? The Obamacare that is going downhill has the prizes are going uphill in rapid fashion? The Obamacare that is disliked by more people then Trump has voters? The Obamacare that is a failed way of getting health care for everyone? Trump never said he will vanish Obamacare, he will "replace" it. Whatever it means, it is a chance. Lets see if it works out. The same-sex marriage will stay as it is, even with one new guy in the supreme court. How does he want to repeal it when the SOTUS said it must exist? Impossible fearmongering. Every healthcare system in the world is progressively hurting, people are getting older and sicker. The affordable care act is not perfect and needs to be improved upon but it's definitely better than what was in place before it, ask any health care professional. A single payer system most likely was the best option but the idea was never even on the table because of the republicans. I don't see how electing Trump is going to help in any way shape or form the current healthcare status of the US. As for the impossible fearmongering, maybe same-sex marriage is a bad example, but what about abortion rights or preemptive care? They definitely impact the lives of many and are already suffering from a lot of assault.
As far as abortion goes, Trump is probably more centrist than any other Republican candidate. While the left is busy accusing him of being far right, the right are accusing him of being a Democrat. What I'm saying is, changes to abortion laws seem less likely under Trump than any other Republican candidate, and Hillary would likely have lost to any of them.
On November 09 2016 20:01 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 19:57 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:49 bardtown wrote:On November 09 2016 19:47 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:46 Laurens wrote:On November 09 2016 19:41 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:39 Scrubwave wrote:On November 09 2016 19:37 Disengaged wrote:
I wake up to a god damn nightmare.
This country is doomed. Better move out then. May I suggest some poor African country? How about a rich European country? You are welcome in the Netherlands Disengaged So you're pretty anti-Trump but you would advocate The Netherlands as a good place to run towards for people who don't like him. That's funny. Explain Isn't your populist anti-Islamisation movement stronger than that in the US? I mean, it's actually a relevant issue in NL and not just a scapegoat. No it isn't. But that's not even what this is about. I replied to Scrubwave because his post suggests that a vote to the left equals poverty. A country like the Netherlands operates far more on the left than the US does but it is still rich. It's especially ironic because poland is reigned by right-wingers, yet it has one of the poorest economies in western europe.
What nonsense is this? Poland isn't IN western Europe, and it is doing just fine.
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Poland is (sadly) in the EU.
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On November 09 2016 20:01 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 19:57 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:49 bardtown wrote:On November 09 2016 19:47 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:46 Laurens wrote:On November 09 2016 19:41 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:39 Scrubwave wrote:On November 09 2016 19:37 Disengaged wrote:
I wake up to a god damn nightmare.
This country is doomed. Better move out then. May I suggest some poor African country? How about a rich European country? You are welcome in the Netherlands Disengaged So you're pretty anti-Trump but you would advocate The Netherlands as a good place to run towards for people who don't like him. That's funny. Explain Isn't your populist anti-Islamisation movement stronger than that in the US? I mean, it's actually a relevant issue in NL and not just a scapegoat. No it isn't. But that's not even what this is about. I replied to Scrubwave because his post suggests that a vote to the left equals poverty. A country like the Netherlands operates far more on the left than the US does but it is still rich. It's especially ironic because poland is reigned by right-wingers, yet it has one of the poorest economies in western europe.
Well to be fair, Poland is a former Warsaw pact country, it's not a "western" country.
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On November 09 2016 18:19 Godwrath wrote:
That's what happens when you run your campaign on a "atleast i am not a nutjob".
By the way, i earned a 6month ban from a banbet with GGtemplar. So mods, show me the hammer.
User was temp banned for this post.
The bet was for 3 months not 6
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Can we agree there would be strife no matter which candidate won?
You would have the republicans who were sold out by bush/Clinton/Obama for 16 ot years and then Clinton is back and worse than ever? Im sorry to say this but i believe if clinton won there would be a revolution going on right now instead of protests.
So now have DEMS having a fit the year their status quo got taken away exposing them to the real world. Yes its ok to be a proud american and not be so damn PC apologist all the time. Grow some balls.
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Fighting climate change, gone
LGBT rights, gone
I wonder if the Republicans will have the guts to actually remove the ACA since there is no replacement.
Say goodbye to all the progress the US made in the past decades.
Guess Idiocracy was right.
American, you done fucked up.
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On November 09 2016 19:57 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 19:49 bardtown wrote:On November 09 2016 19:47 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:46 Laurens wrote:On November 09 2016 19:41 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:39 Scrubwave wrote:On November 09 2016 19:37 Disengaged wrote:
I wake up to a god damn nightmare.
This country is doomed. Better move out then. May I suggest some poor African country? How about a rich European country? You are welcome in the Netherlands Disengaged So you're pretty anti-Trump but you would advocate The Netherlands as a good place to run towards for people who don't like him. That's funny. Explain Isn't your populist anti-Islamisation movement stronger than that in the US? I mean, it's actually a relevant issue in NL and not just a scapegoat. No it isn't. But that's not even what this is about. I replied to Scrubwave because his post suggests that a vote to the left equals poverty. A country like the Netherlands operates far more on the left than the US does but it is still rich.
some friend's friend got her room reservation cancelled just because she's turkish lel. And they clearly explained it was just for being turkish on the cancellation note.
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On November 09 2016 20:05 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 20:01 Miragee wrote:On November 09 2016 19:57 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:49 bardtown wrote:On November 09 2016 19:47 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:46 Laurens wrote:On November 09 2016 19:41 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:39 Scrubwave wrote:On November 09 2016 19:37 Disengaged wrote:
I wake up to a god damn nightmare.
This country is doomed. Better move out then. May I suggest some poor African country? How about a rich European country? You are welcome in the Netherlands Disengaged So you're pretty anti-Trump but you would advocate The Netherlands as a good place to run towards for people who don't like him. That's funny. Explain Isn't your populist anti-Islamisation movement stronger than that in the US? I mean, it's actually a relevant issue in NL and not just a scapegoat. No it isn't. But that's not even what this is about. I replied to Scrubwave because his post suggests that a vote to the left equals poverty. A country like the Netherlands operates far more on the left than the US does but it is still rich. It's especially ironic because poland is reigned by right-wingers, yet it has one of the poorest economies in western europe. Well to be fair, Poland is a former Warsaw pact country, it's not a "western" country.
Yeah ok, you are right. I used "western" because it's an euro country and thus rather tied to the western european market by now.
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On November 09 2016 20:01 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 19:57 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:49 bardtown wrote:On November 09 2016 19:47 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:46 Laurens wrote:On November 09 2016 19:41 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:39 Scrubwave wrote:On November 09 2016 19:37 Disengaged wrote:
I wake up to a god damn nightmare.
This country is doomed. Better move out then. May I suggest some poor African country? How about a rich European country? You are welcome in the Netherlands Disengaged So you're pretty anti-Trump but you would advocate The Netherlands as a good place to run towards for people who don't like him. That's funny. Explain Isn't your populist anti-Islamisation movement stronger than that in the US? I mean, it's actually a relevant issue in NL and not just a scapegoat. No it isn't. But that's not even what this is about. I replied to Scrubwave because his post suggests that a vote to the left equals poverty. A country like the Netherlands operates far more on the left than the US does but it is still rich. It's especially ironic because poland is reigned by right-wingers, yet it has one of the poorest economies in western europe.
Yup, it has everything to do with Poland being ruled by a right-wing party for a couple of years in its 27 years since regaining (actual) independence, not with the heritage of communist rule. ;-)
But realistically speaking, Poland is doing okay when compared with other ex-soviet bloc states. Just look how costly and difficult was the unification of Germany, and then consider the fact that there was no Western Poland to pull us out of the socialist misery.
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On November 09 2016 20:01 bardtown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 19:55 Diavlo wrote:On November 09 2016 19:37 Clonester wrote:On November 09 2016 19:32 Blisse wrote:On November 09 2016 19:24 Scrubwave wrote:On November 09 2016 19:21 Miragee wrote:On November 09 2016 19:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 09 2016 19:09 Scrubwave wrote:
All those liberal tears.
All that "progressive" salt.
All those impotent celebrities stomping their legs.
All those journalists left with nothing at all.
Christmas came early this year.
Best fap material of '16. Here's one of my personal favourites I really can't believe you are celebrating the win of Trump. This is such a sad day. Liberal here, liberal there. Do you know what that term even means? Just because your dawg didn't win doesn't make it a sad day. If you think this was a good vs evil election and good lost you need to get your head outta your ass. Jesus Christ rude much? I'm with Miragee, i hate this bipartisan notion that being liberal is evil. All it means is being open to new ideas. I absolutely hate that that term is smeared by this left-right anti-intellectual movement. It's a sad day because we're ending 8 years worth of a solid progressive movement led by Obama, if Trump is actually going to repeal same-sex marriage, for example. Can you really not empathise with people who have something to lose, like TotalBiscuit if Trump repeals Obamacare? The Obamacare that is going downhill has the prizes are going uphill in rapid fashion? The Obamacare that is disliked by more people then Trump has voters? The Obamacare that is a failed way of getting health care for everyone? Trump never said he will vanish Obamacare, he will "replace" it. Whatever it means, it is a chance. Lets see if it works out. The same-sex marriage will stay as it is, even with one new guy in the supreme court. How does he want to repeal it when the SOTUS said it must exist? Impossible fearmongering. Every healthcare system in the world is progressively hurting, people are getting older and sicker. The affordable care act is not perfect and needs to be improved upon but it's definitely better than what was in place before it, ask any health care professional. A single payer system most likely was the best option but the idea was never even on the table because of the republicans. I don't see how electing Trump is going to help in any way shape or form the current healthcare status of the US. As for the impossible fearmongering, maybe same-sex marriage is a bad example, but what about abortion rights or preemptive care? They definitely impact the lives of many and are already suffering from a lot of assault. As far as abortion goes, Trump is probably more centrist than any other Republican candidate. While the left is busy accusing him of being far right, the right are accusing him of being a Democrat. What I'm saying is, changes to abortion laws seem less likely under Trump than any other Republican candidate, and Hillary would likely have lost to any of them.
He still said that women should be punished for having abortions and that he would defund planned parenthood because they were performing abortion (despite the fact that PP can't use federal funds for abortion). The fact that he's arguably better than the other republican is irrelevant, he's still a step in the wrong direction.
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On November 09 2016 20:10 mantequilla wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 19:57 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:49 bardtown wrote:On November 09 2016 19:47 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:46 Laurens wrote:On November 09 2016 19:41 Penev wrote:On November 09 2016 19:39 Scrubwave wrote:On November 09 2016 19:37 Disengaged wrote:
I wake up to a god damn nightmare.
This country is doomed. Better move out then. May I suggest some poor African country? How about a rich European country? You are welcome in the Netherlands Disengaged So you're pretty anti-Trump but you would advocate The Netherlands as a good place to run towards for people who don't like him. That's funny. Explain Isn't your populist anti-Islamisation movement stronger than that in the US? I mean, it's actually a relevant issue in NL and not just a scapegoat. No it isn't. But that's not even what this is about. I replied to Scrubwave because his post suggests that a vote to the left equals poverty. A country like the Netherlands operates far more on the left than the US does but it is still rich. some friend's friend got her room reservation cancelled just because she's turkish lel. And they clearly explained it was just for being turkish on the cancellation note.
Some friend's friend.. sigh
Racism is everywhere sadly but it's certainly not worse in the Netherlands than it is in the US
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On November 09 2016 19:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Not to mention 20+ million could see they no longer have Healthcare come next year, preexisting conditions back in force and Health Insurance premiums skyrocket..
Just putting it out there but Arizona had the highest obamacare premium hike about a week ago.
Over 50%.
If they didn't go up so much Hillary would have own Arizona, it was a big issue.
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On November 09 2016 19:56 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 19:46 a_flayer wrote:On November 09 2016 19:44 StarStruck wrote:On November 09 2016 18:40 CorsairHero wrote:On November 09 2016 18:30 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Well the world just got alot less predictable...
As a Canadian, I hop his stance on NAFTA is swayed or in some way impossible because if that gets axed....we are in trouble. Good thing we have a trade agreement with the EU now Looks pretty darn good now considering if Trump undoes a lot of things the States is going to have a lot of major setbacks.When you make the primary focus about attacking someone else it usually loses you an election more often than not. It's odd because Trump was throwing and slinging just as much mud and it wasn't just against Clinton. His mudslinging regarding the polls was apparently correct. The fact that he praised them when they showed him on the rise slightly means very little, as they were still relatively inaccurate compared to the actual results despite the slight sway in his favour. Those polls and the whole statistic behind it is utter nonsense. Asking 500 people for something so reliant on more than just demograhic, which alone is very complex already, to create "accurate" statistics for millions of people is a pretty retarded idea. I really don't understand why so much attention is payed to the polls. They only show large movements but they aren't even remotely accurate when it comes to exact calls.
Again, i think you know this but just repeating, that's how modelling and statistics work. Ignoring the news outlets who do this stuff with no formal math background, but pollsters are highly aware that biases and blindsides exist. That's why all models are created with ranges in mind, where you account for the likelihood of biases and blind spots. For large, important, non-repeatable events like elections, there can be completely new blind spots, like Trump supporters underrepresenting their support because they're shamed for it. This data destroys the ranges devised by the current model, but helps the next time by calculating whether the situation is similar and expanding or contracting that range calculation. Imagine a model of the weather 30 years ago, and then we find out that the ozone layer is deteriorating and we have to reevaluate the model. And then we realized the polar ice caps melted which messed with El Niño and we have to reevaluate the model. And so on and so on. It's like science experiments.
Well-done polling for repeatable, low variance events can be accurate but it's not like it's an exact science, so like all pollsters will tell you, trust only the final poll. Blame media outlets for copping out and reporting on polls instead of having reporters investigate real stories.
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