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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23489 Posts
November 09 2016 03:17 GMT
#120741
@Kwark This is what I was looking for, the first part we knew, but the second part is the ceremonial check and balance I think you were imagining, but it doesn't work out the way I think you described.

In Washington state, for example, it’s technically illegal for an elector to break his pledge to his party, although the ramifications are minimal and no elector has ever been prosecuted. If Satiacum and Chiafalo follow through on their threats to break their party pledge, they could be slapped with fines of around $1,000. In Georgia and Texas, where there are no laws governing electors, Vu and Suprun would face no consequences.

But that doesn’t mean their votes will necessarily stand. If any faithless elector ends up swaying the outcome of the election, federal lawmakers have a couple of avenues of recourse, both of which are baked into the U.S. Constitution.

The first applies if an elector abstains or flips his vote in such a way that it results in an Electoral College tie. In such a case, then a little known provision buried in the Twelfth Amendment mandates that the House decides the president, while the Senate chooses the vice president. Each state delegation in the House casts one vote for president, and whichever candidates get the simple majority wins.

The second constitutional check is more broad. On January 6, 2017, the newly elected Congress will meet to determine if the Electoral College vote was “regularly given.” For most of the country’s 57 past presidential elections, this vote has been ceremonial. But it doesn’t have to be. If just one House member and one senator objects to the way that the Electoral College vote played out—for example, if a faithless elector swings the final tally—then the new members can retreat to chambers to vote on what to do about it. If the House and Senate agree, their decision is final. If the House or the Senate do not agree, then the dispute goes to the “executive of the state,” meaning the state’s Secretary of State, who would make the final call.

In other words, if Satiacum, Chiafalo, Vu, or Suprun cast a vote that ultimately alters the course of the election, and anyone in the newly-elected House or Senate balks, then the decision, in all likelihood, will be delegated to Washington Secretary of State Kim Wyman, Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp, or Texas Secretary of State Carlos Cascos. And while it’s impossible to say what, exactly, those state chiefs would choose, they would be under extraordinary pressure to honor the voters’ will.


http://time.com/4560682/faithless-electors/
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14048 Posts
November 09 2016 03:17 GMT
#120742
On November 09 2016 12:15 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
im up at 4am watching this insane process coming to an end and i absolutely have lost all faith in humanity.

i knew things were going down in the US in the last 2 decades. But even if she wins in the end this is the clearest proof that the good years are over for this world. The supposdely most powerful leading democracy on the planet is in huge parts going for a braindamaged insane racist that represents evrything bad in this world.

With other countries leaning right in the eu, brexit and all that crap ... im scared. im truly scared for the future of the world as we know it and humankind as a whole. we learned nothing.

Jesus calm down. things are the best they've ever been full stop. if trump is as bad as everyone is thinking then he won't get more then 4 years let alone 2 strong ones with a house on his side.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
November 09 2016 03:17 GMT
#120743
On November 09 2016 12:16 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 11:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
This result is pretty much a classic cartoon lesson in 'Crime doesn't pay"


I don't know what the fuck you're spouting considering how many time Donald has gone bankrupt and guess what? His building in Toronto is doing just that too lmao.


What the fuck are you even saying lol

Filing bankruptcy is not a crime
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
November 09 2016 03:17 GMT
#120744
On November 09 2016 12:16 SoSexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 12:15 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
im up at 4am watching this insane process coming to an end and i absolutely have lost all faith in humanity.

i knew things were going down in the US in the last 2 decades. But even if she wins in the end this is the clearest proof that the good years are over for this world. The supposdely most powerful leading democracy on the planet is in huge parts going for a braindamaged insane racist that represents evrything bad in this world.

With other countries leaning right in the eu, brexit and all that crap ... im scared. im truly scared for the future of the world as we know it and humankind as a whole. we learned nothing.


LOL


His tears are delicious. This is no over yet.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 09 2016 03:18 GMT
#120745
If clinton gets back WI+MI, loses NH, loses NV, wins all of Maine:
[image loading]

höhöhö
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
November 09 2016 03:18 GMT
#120746
If Trump wins, this election will be a really big kick to political correctness and laxism. Can't wait.
Dating thread on TL LUL
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 09 2016 03:18 GMT
#120747
At least Wolf brings us the good info

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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 09 2016 03:18 GMT
#120748
On November 09 2016 12:17 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 12:15 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
im up at 4am watching this insane process coming to an end and i absolutely have lost all faith in humanity.

i knew things were going down in the US in the last 2 decades. But even if she wins in the end this is the clearest proof that the good years are over for this world. The supposdely most powerful leading democracy on the planet is in huge parts going for a braindamaged insane racist that represents evrything bad in this world.

With other countries leaning right in the eu, brexit and all that crap ... im scared. im truly scared for the future of the world as we know it and humankind as a whole. we learned nothing.

Jesus calm down. things are the best they've ever been full stop. if trump is as bad as everyone is thinking then he won't get more then 4 years let alone 2 strong ones with a house on his side.

The fear is that he attempts to maintain his power through means other people would find beyond the pale.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 09 2016 03:19 GMT
#120749
On November 09 2016 12:17 biology]major wrote:
To all the trump supporters in this thread, we were outnumbered from the get go in this thread, but we are about to pull off something historic.


Agreed.

Lets not start gloating just yet though, Hillary has a very large probability to win if she hold Wisconsin, Michigan, and Colorado. I expect all of these to end within 1-2%.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
November 09 2016 03:19 GMT
#120750
You can think whatever you want about his ideas, but the fact remains that he has been the most authentic and well-meaning presidential candidate the US has had in a very long time.


Forgetting Ron Paul?
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
November 09 2016 03:19 GMT
#120751
what is the actual appeal of trump? he keeps saying MAGA but i've never seen once how he will do it
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14048 Posts
November 09 2016 03:19 GMT
#120752
On November 09 2016 12:18 Toadesstern wrote:
If clinton gets back WI+MI, loses NH, loses NV, wins all of Maine:
[image loading]

höhöhö

NV and AZ should be going blue that would push it back the other way.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Hexe
Profile Joined August 2014
United States332 Posts
November 09 2016 03:20 GMT
#120753
On November 09 2016 12:17 biology]major wrote:
To all the trump supporters in this thread, we were outnumbered from the get go in this thread, but we are about to pull off something historic.

I love you man. Im so proud of michigan right now.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 03:20:51
November 09 2016 03:20 GMT
#120754
On November 09 2016 12:19 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 12:17 biology]major wrote:
To all the trump supporters in this thread, we were outnumbered from the get go in this thread, but we are about to pull off something historic.


Agreed.

Lets not start gloating just yet though, Hillary has a very large probability to win if she hold Wisconsin, Michigan, and Colorado. I expect all of these to end within 1-2%.

It's not clear to me what you "pulled off" if you don't even live in the US and were nothing more than an outside observer from the beginning.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
November 09 2016 03:20 GMT
#120755
On November 09 2016 12:19 Doraemon wrote:
what is the actual appeal of trump? he keeps saying MAGA but i've never seen once how he will do it


He keeps proving everyone wrong, so just take him at his word.
Question.?
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 09 2016 03:20 GMT
#120756
You think AZ will go blue Sermo? S: Rather unlikely.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
MasterCynical
Profile Joined September 2012
505 Posts
November 09 2016 03:20 GMT
#120757
Hawaii is going to be Trumptown... I can feel it!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45082 Posts
November 09 2016 03:20 GMT
#120758
On November 09 2016 12:18 SoSexy wrote:
If Trump wins, this election will be a really big kick to political correctness and laxism. Can't wait.


Because being politically incorrect is the same as being an outright racist and sexist?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2016 03:21 GMT
#120759
Trump takes Ohio.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 09 2016 03:21 GMT
#120760
no way AZ will go blue. maaaaaybe NV but not the way it's going atm
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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