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On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds. No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states. It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here. The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/ actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid. trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time. I guess stupid is all relative. partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it. on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it. this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit clinton is.
Fixed that for you man ;D
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Watching the TYT livestream.
God this is just amazing to watch.
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On November 09 2016 11:58 wuhan_clan wrote:
I don't think applying the typical protest vote explanation works here. It's definitely a "who do i hate more" / lesser of 2 evils vote. In this kind of mindset, you have to vote for the person you think will have the most chance to upset the candidate you hate. People who might have voted 3rd party or not at all are showing up to vote against the candidate they hate by casting a vote for the other candidate who actually has a shot to win.
Right, that's not a protest vote, which is my point.
A protest vote is "option A is better than option B for me, but I'm voting for option B because I'm mad the establishment has only given me these 2 choices even though I actually want/expect option A to win". If you hate option A and are voting for option B because of it, that's not a protest vote anymore.
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On November 09 2016 11:59 Ben... wrote:
My heart can't handle this. I'm gonna turn all this stuff off, disable my wifi and watch an F1 race, and then check the results tomorrow.
Good old F1, at least it's predictable who will win there lol
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On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds. No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states. It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here. The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/ actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid. trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time. I guess stupid is all relative. partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it. on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it. this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit trump is.
I don't agree with you.
I might be stupid, so I dunno, but I've made my arguments here very clear many times about why I think Hillary is an awful person and why she shouldn't be president. So while you might think that Trump is unfit, I think than Hillary is unfit, so there we are.
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I could beat both of them in a running race i'm sure
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On November 09 2016 12:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds. No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states. It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here. The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/ actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid. trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time. I guess stupid is all relative. partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it. on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it. this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit clinton is. Fixed that for you man ;D
don't be an idiot. the two are not equivalent, and your claims to the contrary merely demonstrate your inability to tell the difference.
and replacing one with the other doens't make you right, nor me wrong. it just means you're unable to actually look at issues in a decent fashion.
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I feel like the democrats underestimated just how fucking toxic NAFTA/TPP were going to be this election season. Sanders almost won the primary off of them, and while Clinton turned to being against them she never made it a key talking point like she would have needed to considering she practically wrote the TPP.
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On November 09 2016 12:02 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds. No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states. It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here. The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/ actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid. trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time. I guess stupid is all relative. partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it. on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it. this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit trump is. I don't agree with you. I might be stupid, so I dunno, but I've made my arguments here very clear many times about why I think Hillary is an awful person and why she shouldn't be president. So while you might think that Trump is unfit, I think than Hillary is unfit, so there we are.
Both are unfit, that's the sad part.
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On November 09 2016 12:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 11:59 Ben... wrote:
My heart can't handle this. I'm gonna turn all this stuff off, disable my wifi and watch an F1 race, and then check the results tomorrow.
Good old F1, at least it's predictable who will win there lol
Nah, you never know which Mercedes will win nowadays.
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I think the rural Trump support comes at least partly from Clinton's push for a $12/hr nationwide minimum wage. That sort of wage is quite high for rural areas and small towns, where the cost of living is something like half that of cities. Raising the minimum wage to urban salary levels would kill off their local businesses.
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Virgina is Clintoland, thats save now.
N.C. is extremly likely to be won by Trump.
Now it is Michigan, whoever wins here... and freaking Wisconson.
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On November 09 2016 12:02 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 12:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds. No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states. It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here. The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/ actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid. trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time. I guess stupid is all relative. partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it. on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it. this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit clinton is. Fixed that for you man ;D don't be an idiot. the two are not equivalent, and your claims to the contrary merely demonstrate your inability to tell the difference. and replacing one with the other doens't make you right, nor me wrong. it just means you're unable to actually look at issues in a decent fashion.
I'm not the one being an idiot here lol
There is a huge difference between the two and unless you're a criminal, a briber with millions at stake, or an illegal immigrant, one is objectively better than the other
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I don't think Clinton is safe in Minnesota.
Just putting it out there.
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On November 09 2016 12:03 Clonester wrote:
Virgina is Clintoland, thats save now.
N.C. is extremly likely to be won by Trump.
Now it is Michigan, whoever wins here... and freaking Wisconson.
Yeah, Trump needs to find one state to win. His options are Wisconsin, Michigan, Colorado or NH + Nevada.
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On November 09 2016 12:02 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds. No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states. It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here. The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/ actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid. trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time. I guess stupid is all relative. partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it. on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it. this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit trump is. I don't agree with you. I might be stupid, so I dunno, but I've made my arguments here very clear many times about why I think Hillary is an awful person and why she shouldn't be president. So while you might think that Trump is unfit, I think than Hillary is unfit, so there we are.
there's a difference between arguments, and sound arguments. it's provably true that some people's opinions and assessments are more accurate than others.
and since I did say 85-90% of people are stupid, it's not exactly odd for many people to fit in that category.
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Clinton takes New Mexico.
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On November 09 2016 12:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 12:02 zlefin wrote:On November 09 2016 12:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds. No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states. It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here. The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/ actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid. trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time. I guess stupid is all relative. partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it. on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it. this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit clinton is. Fixed that for you man ;D don't be an idiot. the two are not equivalent, and your claims to the contrary merely demonstrate your inability to tell the difference. and replacing one with the other doens't make you right, nor me wrong. it just means you're unable to actually look at issues in a decent fashion. I'm not the one being an idiot here lol There is a huge difference between the two and unless you're a criminal, a briber with millions at stake, or an illegal immigrant, one is objectively better than the other
That would be the one who doesn't joke about sexually assaulting women.
On November 09 2016 12:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
I don't think Clinton is safe in Minnesota.
Just putting it out there.
Minnesota was blue when no one else was blue in the reagon landslide. Its going to stay blue easy. The iron range in the north of the state is a huge blue stronghold.
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