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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
November 09 2016 03:01 GMT
#120641
On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds.


No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states.

It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here.


The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/

actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid.
trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time.


I guess stupid is all relative.

partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it.
on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it.

this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit clinton is.



Fixed that for you man ;D
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
November 09 2016 03:01 GMT
#120642
Watching the TYT livestream.
God this is just amazing to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 09 2016 03:01 GMT
#120643
On November 09 2016 11:58 wuhan_clan wrote:
I don't think applying the typical protest vote explanation works here. It's definitely a "who do i hate more" / lesser of 2 evils vote. In this kind of mindset, you have to vote for the person you think will have the most chance to upset the candidate you hate. People who might have voted 3rd party or not at all are showing up to vote against the candidate they hate by casting a vote for the other candidate who actually has a shot to win.

Right, that's not a protest vote, which is my point.

A protest vote is "option A is better than option B for me, but I'm voting for option B because I'm mad the establishment has only given me these 2 choices even though I actually want/expect option A to win". If you hate option A and are voting for option B because of it, that's not a protest vote anymore.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 03:01:59
November 09 2016 03:01 GMT
#120644
On November 09 2016 11:59 Ben... wrote:
My heart can't handle this. I'm gonna turn all this stuff off, disable my wifi and watch an F1 race, and then check the results tomorrow.


Good old F1, at least it's predictable who will win there lol
Neosteel Enthusiast
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
November 09 2016 03:01 GMT
#120645
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 09 2016 03:02 GMT
#120646
On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds.


No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states.

It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here.


The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/

actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid.
trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time.


I guess stupid is all relative.

partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it.
on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it.

this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit trump is.


I don't agree with you.

I might be stupid, so I dunno, but I've made my arguments here very clear many times about why I think Hillary is an awful person and why she shouldn't be president. So while you might think that Trump is unfit, I think than Hillary is unfit, so there we are.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
November 09 2016 03:02 GMT
#120647
I could beat both of them in a running race i'm sure
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 09 2016 03:02 GMT
#120648
On November 09 2016 12:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds.


No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states.

It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here.


The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/

actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid.
trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time.


I guess stupid is all relative.

partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it.
on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it.

this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit clinton is.



Fixed that for you man ;D

don't be an idiot. the two are not equivalent, and your claims to the contrary merely demonstrate your inability to tell the difference.
and replacing one with the other doens't make you right, nor me wrong. it just means you're unable to actually look at issues in a decent fashion.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 09 2016 03:03 GMT
#120649
I feel like the democrats underestimated just how fucking toxic NAFTA/TPP were going to be this election season. Sanders almost won the primary off of them, and while Clinton turned to being against them she never made it a key talking point like she would have needed to considering she practically wrote the TPP.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 09 2016 03:03 GMT
#120650
On November 09 2016 12:02 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds.


No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states.

It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here.


The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/

actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid.
trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time.


I guess stupid is all relative.

partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it.
on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it.

this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit trump is.


I don't agree with you.

I might be stupid, so I dunno, but I've made my arguments here very clear many times about why I think Hillary is an awful person and why she shouldn't be president. So while you might think that Trump is unfit, I think than Hillary is unfit, so there we are.

Both are unfit, that's the sad part.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 09 2016 03:03 GMT
#120651
On November 09 2016 12:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 11:59 Ben... wrote:
My heart can't handle this. I'm gonna turn all this stuff off, disable my wifi and watch an F1 race, and then check the results tomorrow.


Good old F1, at least it's predictable who will win there lol


Nah, you never know which Mercedes will win nowadays.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 03:05:32
November 09 2016 03:03 GMT
#120652
I think the rural Trump support comes at least partly from Clinton's push for a $12/hr nationwide minimum wage. That sort of wage is quite high for rural areas and small towns, where the cost of living is something like half that of cities. Raising the minimum wage to urban salary levels would kill off their local businesses.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
November 09 2016 03:03 GMT
#120653
Virgina is Clintoland, thats save now.

N.C. is extremly likely to be won by Trump.

Now it is Michigan, whoever wins here... and freaking Wisconson.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 03:04:37
November 09 2016 03:04 GMT
#120654
On November 09 2016 12:02 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 12:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds.


No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states.

It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here.


The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/

actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid.
trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time.


I guess stupid is all relative.

partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it.
on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it.

this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit clinton is.



Fixed that for you man ;D

don't be an idiot. the two are not equivalent, and your claims to the contrary merely demonstrate your inability to tell the difference.
and replacing one with the other doens't make you right, nor me wrong. it just means you're unable to actually look at issues in a decent fashion.


I'm not the one being an idiot here lol

There is a huge difference between the two and unless you're a criminal, a briber with millions at stake, or an illegal immigrant, one is objectively better than the other
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
November 09 2016 03:04 GMT
#120655
I don't think Clinton is safe in Minnesota.
Just putting it out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 09 2016 03:04 GMT
#120656
On November 09 2016 12:03 Clonester wrote:
Virgina is Clintoland, thats save now.

N.C. is extremly likely to be won by Trump.

Now it is Michigan, whoever wins here... and freaking Wisconson.


Yeah, Trump needs to find one state to win. His options are Wisconsin, Michigan, Colorado or NH + Nevada.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 09 2016 03:04 GMT
#120657
On November 09 2016 12:02 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds.


No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states.

It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here.


The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/

actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid.
trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time.


I guess stupid is all relative.

partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it.
on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it.

this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit trump is.


I don't agree with you.

I might be stupid, so I dunno, but I've made my arguments here very clear many times about why I think Hillary is an awful person and why she shouldn't be president. So while you might think that Trump is unfit, I think than Hillary is unfit, so there we are.

there's a difference between arguments, and sound arguments. it's provably true that some people's opinions and assessments are more accurate than others.
and since I did say 85-90% of people are stupid, it's not exactly odd for many people to fit in that category.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
November 09 2016 03:04 GMT
#120658
--- Nuked ---
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2016 03:05 GMT
#120659
Clinton takes New Mexico.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14128 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 03:07:32
November 09 2016 03:05 GMT
#120660
On November 09 2016 12:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 12:02 zlefin wrote:
On November 09 2016 12:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On November 09 2016 12:00 zlefin wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:56 zlefin wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:51 Dismay wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:46 hunts wrote:
On November 09 2016 11:36 Clonester wrote:
Trump is doing it. He is changing the game.
Against all the odds.


No all trump is doing is showing that there are many uneducated bigoted idiots out there who are allowed to vote, and that republicans did a good job of voter suppression in key states.

It's important to understand why Trump is doing well, and it's not just uneducated racism. There's a pretty big rural vs urban dynamic at play here.


The standard Hillary lost because 50% of the US population is stupid argument, standard. =/

actually, it's more like 85-90% of the us population is stupid.
trump just got a higher proportion of the stupid vote this time.


I guess stupid is all relative.

partially relative, partially absolute. even on an absolute scale one can make a decent case for it.
on a relative it's of course very easy to make the case for it.

this election just makes it all the easier to prove the point of course, given how well documentedly unfit clinton is.



Fixed that for you man ;D

don't be an idiot. the two are not equivalent, and your claims to the contrary merely demonstrate your inability to tell the difference.
and replacing one with the other doens't make you right, nor me wrong. it just means you're unable to actually look at issues in a decent fashion.


I'm not the one being an idiot here lol

There is a huge difference between the two and unless you're a criminal, a briber with millions at stake, or an illegal immigrant, one is objectively better than the other

That would be the one who doesn't joke about sexually assaulting women.
On November 09 2016 12:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
I don't think Clinton is safe in Minnesota.
Just putting it out there.

Minnesota was blue when no one else was blue in the reagon landslide. Its going to stay blue easy. The iron range in the north of the state is a huge blue stronghold.
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