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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
November 06 2016 13:53 GMT
#118841
On November 06 2016 22:48 Kamisamanachi wrote:
I am an outsider to this election and first time posting here. I wanted to ask , how much effect will Indian American voters have on this election? Asking out of curiosity .

Not particularly significant, they''re 1% of the population, most of which in solid blue states
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 14:12:44
November 06 2016 14:12 GMT
#118842
Just so much amazing stuff coming out via wikileaks.
Newest batch shows that Chelsea Clinton paid for her wedding with funds from the Clinton Foundation..

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046

From:doug@presidentclinton.com
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
CC: terry@tdmca.com, cheryl.mills@gmail.com
Date: 2012-01-04 21:45
Subject: Re:

I learned from the best

The investigation into her getting paid for campaigning, using foundation resources for her wedding and life for a decade, taxes on money from her parents....

I hope that you will speak to her and end this
Once we go down this road....


User was temp banned for this post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 14:25:30
November 06 2016 14:23 GMT
#118843
On November 06 2016 23:12 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just so much amazing stuff coming out via wikileaks.
Newest batch shows that Chelsea Clinton paid for her wedding with funds from the Clinton Foundation..

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046
Show nested quote +

From:doug@presidentclinton.com
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
CC: terry@tdmca.com, cheryl.mills@gmail.com
Date: 2012-01-04 21:45
Subject: Re:

I learned from the best

The investigation into her getting paid for campaigning, using foundation resources for her wedding and life for a decade, taxes on money from her parents....

I hope that you will speak to her and end this
Once we go down this road....

You couldn't even bother to copy and paste the while thing, could you? The email isn't about that. It is about the WSJ receiving what they believe to be false claims that the Clintons used the funds for the wedding. And they are discussing setting the record straight.

The not smart part is referencing people talking about the investigation.

From:doug@presidentclinton.com
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
CC: terry@tdmca.com, cheryl.mills@gmail.com
Date: 2012-01-04 21:45
Subject: Re:






I learned from the best

The investigation into her getting paid for campaigning, using foundation resources for her wedding and life for a decade, taxes on money from her parents....

I hope that you will speak to her and end this
Once we go down this road....

----- Original Message -----
From: John Podesta [mailto:john.podesta@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 05:00 PM
To: Doug Band
Cc: terry@tdmca.com <terry@tdmca.com>; cheryl.mills@gmail.com <cheryl.mills@gmail.com>
Subject: Re:

You are perfecting your skills for understatement.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Doug Band <doug@presidentclinton.com> wrote:
> I just received a call from a close friend of wjcs who said that cvc told one of the bush 43 kids that she is conducting an internal investigation of money within the foundation from cgi to the foundation
> The bush kid then told someone else who then told an operative within the republican party
>
> I have heard more and more chatter of cvc and bari talking about lots of what is going on internally to people
>
> Not sm
art
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
November 06 2016 14:24 GMT
#118844
from the front page of reddit, pretty good summary of Podesta emails



Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7887 Posts
November 06 2016 14:27 GMT
#118845
On November 06 2016 23:23 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 23:12 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just so much amazing stuff coming out via wikileaks.
Newest batch shows that Chelsea Clinton paid for her wedding with funds from the Clinton Foundation..

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046

From:doug@presidentclinton.com
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
CC: terry@tdmca.com, cheryl.mills@gmail.com
Date: 2012-01-04 21:45
Subject: Re:

I learned from the best

The investigation into her getting paid for campaigning, using foundation resources for her wedding and life for a decade, taxes on money from her parents....

I hope that you will speak to her and end this
Once we go down this road....

You couldn't even bother to copy and paste the while thing, could you? The email isn't about that. It is about the WSJ receiving what they believe to be false claims that the Clintons used the funds for the wedding. And they are discussing setting the record straight.

The not smart part is referencing people talking about the investigation.

Show nested quote +
From:doug@presidentclinton.com
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
CC: terry@tdmca.com, cheryl.mills@gmail.com
Date: 2012-01-04 21:45
Subject: Re:






I learned from the best

The investigation into her getting paid for campaigning, using foundation resources for her wedding and life for a decade, taxes on money from her parents....

I hope that you will speak to her and end this
Once we go down this road....

----- Original Message -----
From: John Podesta [mailto:john.podesta@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 05:00 PM
To: Doug Band
Cc: terry@tdmca.com <terry@tdmca.com>; cheryl.mills@gmail.com <cheryl.mills@gmail.com>
Subject: Re:

You are perfecting your skills for understatement.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Doug Band <doug@presidentclinton.com> wrote:
> I just received a call from a close friend of wjcs who said that cvc told one of the bush 43 kids that she is conducting an internal investigation of money within the foundation from cgi to the foundation
> The bush kid then told someone else who then told an operative within the republican party
>
> I have heard more and more chatter of cvc and bari talking about lots of what is going on internally to people
>
> Not sm
art

That's glorious

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The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44271 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 14:30:28
November 06 2016 14:29 GMT
#118846
Apparently, a Republican with a "Republicans Against Trump" sign was in the crowd during a Trump rally, people around that protester booed at him and wanted to get him thrown out so they screamed that he had a gun (he didn't), Trump was hustled offstage for a few minutes, then everyone realized that the whole thing was bullshit and Trump came back out. Afterwards, Trump's kids and campaign managers started lying about an assassination attempt. What the hell is wrong with Trump supporters and Trump's campaign?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/06/trump-hustled-offstage-in-nevada-after-security-scare-returns-shortly-thereafter.html
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 06 2016 14:30 GMT
#118847
Nettles, please stop posting things that are readily proven to be trash. repeatedly disseminating false information isn't helpful to anyone.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7887 Posts
November 06 2016 14:30 GMT
#118848
On November 06 2016 23:24 kongoline wrote:
from the front page of reddit, pretty good summary of Podesta emails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fat63bqvG8



Telesur, now that's one reliable source of investigation journalism.

User was warned for this post
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
November 06 2016 14:33 GMT
#118849
On November 06 2016 23:24 kongoline wrote:
from the front page of reddit, pretty good summary of Podesta emails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fat63bqvG8



Well, clicking that was a mistake. I should have figured that by 'front page of reddit' you meant the_donald. That's probably the most unsubtle propaganda video I've seen in months.

User was warned for this post
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 14:35:10
November 06 2016 14:34 GMT
#118850
On November 06 2016 23:23 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 23:12 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just so much amazing stuff coming out via wikileaks.
Newest batch shows that Chelsea Clinton paid for her wedding with funds from the Clinton Foundation..

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046

From:doug@presidentclinton.com
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
CC: terry@tdmca.com, cheryl.mills@gmail.com
Date: 2012-01-04 21:45
Subject: Re:

I learned from the best

The investigation into her getting paid for campaigning, using foundation resources for her wedding and life for a decade, taxes on money from her parents....

I hope that you will speak to her and end this
Once we go down this road....

You couldn't even bother to copy and paste the while thing, could you? The email isn't about that. It is about the WSJ receiving what they believe to be false claims that the Clintons used the funds for the wedding. And they are discussing setting the record straight.

The not smart part is referencing people talking about the investigation.

Show nested quote +
From:doug@presidentclinton.com
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
CC: terry@tdmca.com, cheryl.mills@gmail.com
Date: 2012-01-04 21:45
Subject: Re:






I learned from the best

The investigation into her getting paid for campaigning, using foundation resources for her wedding and life for a decade, taxes on money from her parents....

I hope that you will speak to her and end this
Once we go down this road....

----- Original Message -----
From: John Podesta [mailto:john.podesta@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 05:00 PM
To: Doug Band
Cc: terry@tdmca.com <terry@tdmca.com>; cheryl.mills@gmail.com <cheryl.mills@gmail.com>
Subject: Re:

You are perfecting your skills for understatement.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Doug Band <doug@presidentclinton.com> wrote:
> I just received a call from a close friend of wjcs who said that cvc told one of the bush 43 kids that she is conducting an internal investigation of money within the foundation from cgi to the foundation
> The bush kid then told someone else who then told an operative within the republican party
>
> I have heard more and more chatter of cvc and bari talking about lots of what is going on internally to people
>
> Not sm
art


I thought the not smart was referencing "cvc and bari" - whom I assume is Chelsea Victoria Clinton and Bari Lurie.

EDIT: And from what I gather they are talking about the internal workings of the foundation and not the investigation. But then again, with so little context it's rather worthless to guess.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 06 2016 14:38 GMT
#118851
On November 06 2016 23:34 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2016 23:23 Plansix wrote:
On November 06 2016 23:12 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just so much amazing stuff coming out via wikileaks.
Newest batch shows that Chelsea Clinton paid for her wedding with funds from the Clinton Foundation..

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046

From:doug@presidentclinton.com
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
CC: terry@tdmca.com, cheryl.mills@gmail.com
Date: 2012-01-04 21:45
Subject: Re:

I learned from the best

The investigation into her getting paid for campaigning, using foundation resources for her wedding and life for a decade, taxes on money from her parents....

I hope that you will speak to her and end this
Once we go down this road....

You couldn't even bother to copy and paste the while thing, could you? The email isn't about that. It is about the WSJ receiving what they believe to be false claims that the Clintons used the funds for the wedding. And they are discussing setting the record straight.

The not smart part is referencing people talking about the investigation.

From:doug@presidentclinton.com
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
CC: terry@tdmca.com, cheryl.mills@gmail.com
Date: 2012-01-04 21:45
Subject: Re:






I learned from the best

The investigation into her getting paid for campaigning, using foundation resources for her wedding and life for a decade, taxes on money from her parents....

I hope that you will speak to her and end this
Once we go down this road....

----- Original Message -----
From: John Podesta [mailto:john.podesta@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 05:00 PM
To: Doug Band
Cc: terry@tdmca.com <terry@tdmca.com>; cheryl.mills@gmail.com <cheryl.mills@gmail.com>
Subject: Re:

You are perfecting your skills for understatement.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Doug Band <doug@presidentclinton.com> wrote:
> I just received a call from a close friend of wjcs who said that cvc told one of the bush 43 kids that she is conducting an internal investigation of money within the foundation from cgi to the foundation
> The bush kid then told someone else who then told an operative within the republican party
>
> I have heard more and more chatter of cvc and bari talking about lots of what is going on internally to people
>
> Not sm
art


I thought the not smart was referencing "cvc and bari" - whom I assume is Chelsea Victoria Clinton and Bari Lurie.

EDIT: And from what I gather they are talking about the internal workings of the foundation and not the investigation. But then again, with so little context it's rather worthless to guess.

It is one of my biggest complaints about these leaked emails. That wikileaks is editing them down to remove a lot of the context or follow up. It is hard to even talk about them since people can see exactly what they want. And that part is intentional by wikileaks.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
November 06 2016 14:43 GMT
#118852
Meh I think it has more to do with people working closely together writing short emails because the receiving part knows whats up. You wouldn't understand what I was talking with my mentor about if you merely read my emails. There are legitimate criticisms of Wikileaks, but you can hardly fault them for this.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 06 2016 14:46 GMT
#118853
On November 06 2016 23:43 Ghostcom wrote:
Meh I think it has more to do with people working closely together writing short emails because the receiving part knows whats up. You wouldn't understand what I was talking with my mentor about if you merely read my emails. There are legitimate criticisms of Wikileaks, but you can hardly fault them for this.


Sure but wikileaks takes the extra step of making the emails look even shittier.

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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 14:49:27
November 06 2016 14:49 GMT
#118854
I really can't wait for 4 years of more of the same. The last 8 years have been great.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 15:04:06
November 06 2016 15:02 GMT
#118855
We have to remember that some people read a Podesta email from March 2nd about needing to dump emails and assume he's talking about deleting emails...that were deleted 3 months ago...rather than Clinton's statement three days later about saying she would allow the FBI to show all her emails to the public.

Of course, if people believed journalists weren't all in on some sinister conspiracy, this would be immediately obvious in an article discussing the emails. But alas, we live in a world where thinking about something for more than half a second is forbidden if it changes your preconceived viewpoint. At least they've cried wolf so much that nobody outside their bubble gives a shit anymore.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 06 2016 15:21 GMT
#118856
wikileaks is obviously pushing a conspiratorial worldview. they are not serious about the truth just agitprop.

there is a significant portion of the far left that think bringing ruin onto america will lead to good things.

it will not, and it is highly irresponsible in ignoring the fiduciary duty of government for all the people. political power is not just power, it is a set of responsibility and a relation of trust. lying to the american people while plotting their destruction is not just, no matter how evil you conceive of corporate america or the upper middle class.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 06 2016 15:34 GMT
#118857
On November 07 2016 00:21 oneofthem wrote:
wikileaks is obviously pushing a conspiratorial worldview. they are not serious about the truth just agitprop.

there is a significant portion of the far left that think bringing ruin onto america will lead to good things.

it will not, and it is highly irresponsible in ignoring the fiduciary duty of government for all the people. political power is not just power, it is a set of responsibility and a relation of trust. lying to the american people while plotting their destruction is not just, no matter how evil you conceive of corporate america or the upper middle class.

Fiduciary ruin? Are you making the case that the far left plots the end of corporate power and the upper middle class and moreover counts it as just? I'm still a little confused.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-06 15:40:45
November 06 2016 15:38 GMT
#118858
I wonder whether politicians will feel comfortable brazenly lying as much in 2020 as they did in this election (pretty much everyone made some easily disprovable statements, though Trump takes the cake in any metric I've seen).

It's something when you can outright lie about both how another person treated a protester and then lie about how a protester at your own event was actually an assassin and no one cares, and have 0 repercussions because fuck holding humans to standards.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 06 2016 15:43 GMT
#118859
On November 07 2016 00:34 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2016 00:21 oneofthem wrote:
wikileaks is obviously pushing a conspiratorial worldview. they are not serious about the truth just agitprop.

there is a significant portion of the far left that think bringing ruin onto america will lead to good things.

it will not, and it is highly irresponsible in ignoring the fiduciary duty of government for all the people. political power is not just power, it is a set of responsibility and a relation of trust. lying to the american people while plotting their destruction is not just, no matter how evil you conceive of corporate america or the upper middle class.

Fiduciary ruin? Are you making the case that the far left plots the end of corporate power and the upper middle class and moreover counts it as just? I'm still a little confused.

yea. they see trump as bringing wealth destruction, inflation and all that.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
November 06 2016 15:44 GMT
#118860
On November 06 2016 23:12 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Just so much amazing stuff coming out via wikileaks.
Newest batch shows that Chelsea Clinton paid for her wedding with funds from the Clinton Foundation..

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52046
Show nested quote +

From:doug@presidentclinton.com
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
CC: terry@tdmca.com, cheryl.mills@gmail.com
Date: 2012-01-04 21:45
Subject: Re:

I learned from the best

The investigation into her getting paid for campaigning, using foundation resources for her wedding and life for a decade, taxes on money from her parents....

I hope that you will speak to her and end this
Once we go down this road....

It is you who are amazing. Its like you want to be deceived.

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