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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
October 18 2016 20:15 GMT
#112761
I would be a whole lot less sympathetic to the 'rigged election' claims if there weren't a clear pattern of the Clinton campaign skirting various campaign finance laws - coordinating with super-PACs, using paid speeches to raise funding in between hiring a campaign office and letting the FEC know she's running and the state party donation laundering during the primary.

Granted, Trump probably would have found a way to lose a completely fair election, but that's beside the point - the Clinton campaign felt the need to cheat anyway.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
October 18 2016 20:21 GMT
#112762
On October 19 2016 04:57 Nevuk wrote:


Suddenly all support gone from Republican senators.
Yargh
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 18 2016 20:24 GMT
#112763
On October 19 2016 05:21 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 04:57 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/TomLlamasABC/status/788466261348851712


Suddenly all support gone from Republican senators.

What support from Republican senators?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-18 20:33:54
October 18 2016 20:27 GMT
#112764
Jeff Sessions and his imaginary friends.

Just found this. Actual post on a WTOL (Toledo, OH) Facebook thread:
Oh stranger danger huh how about Hillarys continuously turning her back on stranger danger in her own home then can talk about what trump says you people are nuts guys talk like that with their friends all the time wake up

Greater by the minute.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 18 2016 21:11 GMT
#112765
On October 19 2016 05:21 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 04:57 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/TomLlamasABC/status/788466261348851712


Suddenly all support gone from Republican senators.

You think that's where the support he needs lies? The establishment he actively campaigned against?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 18 2016 21:21 GMT
#112766
On October 19 2016 05:15 Buckyman wrote:
I would be a whole lot less sympathetic to the 'rigged election' claims if there weren't a clear pattern of the Clinton campaign skirting various campaign finance laws - coordinating with super-PACs, using paid speeches to raise funding in between hiring a campaign office and letting the FEC know she's running and the state party donation laundering during the primary.

Granted, Trump probably would have found a way to lose a completely fair election, but that's beside the point - the Clinton campaign felt the need to cheat anyway.

pretty sure everyone violates FEC rules anyways, and that there's a known list of Trump violations in that regard as well. FEC has admitted it can't do anything to anyone who breaks the rules (or it had last I heard).
Also, those things aren't rigging an election, they're at most funding violations, which is VERY different from RIGGING an election.
The rigged election claims are dangerous trash.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 18 2016 21:22 GMT
#112767
On October 19 2016 06:11 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 05:21 JinDesu wrote:
On October 19 2016 04:57 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/TomLlamasABC/status/788466261348851712


Suddenly all support gone from Republican senators.

You think that's where the support he needs lies? The establishment he actively campaigned against?


There are no more votes to get from the anti establishment right wing crowd. So yeah, he needs the support of the establishment, the sane, the middle to win. He also needs their support if he were to somehow win the election. They've proven their pretty good at stopping the president from doing anything at all. He absolutely needs their support but he's too dumb to know it.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 18 2016 21:23 GMT
#112768
Trump had a much stronger argument for "this election is rigged" when he was winning the primary than when he is losing the general.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
October 18 2016 21:23 GMT
#112769
On October 19 2016 04:57 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/TomLlamasABC/status/788466261348851712


Trump advocating for term limits for congress? Finally one thing I can agree with him on.
Never Knows Best.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3257 Posts
October 18 2016 21:25 GMT
#112770
On October 19 2016 04:26 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 03:50 TheYango wrote:
I think it's plausible that the Clintons are corrupt, but given the connections that both no doubt already have in place from their terms as president/SoS, their high-profile charity that's consistently subject to scrutiny seems like just about the dumbest possible vehicle for said corruption available to them. If they wanted to do some questionable things why the hell would they do it through the Clinton Foundation?

There's an investigation now, and multiple records of ethics violations and improprieties that are made public long after the fact. Otherwise, what scrutiny? They ran it for years with aggressive fundraising from foreign governments without backlash for clear conflicts of interest.

Well, that and Hillary's inept handling of coverups and corruption seen in the email scandal. Hubris may still be the death of her.

I'm confused, I thought your position on the e-mails was that Hillary was just criminally negligent (i.e. unintentionally put government secrets at risk). If she lied afterward to avoid charges I can see where you get "coverup," but if it's unintentional then how is it corrupt?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 18 2016 21:36 GMT
#112771
On October 19 2016 06:23 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 04:57 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/TomLlamasABC/status/788466261348851712


Trump advocating for term limits for congress? Finally one thing I can agree with him on.

Clinton floated the idea of amending the Constitution to deal with election finance reform. I think both proposals have the same chances of success.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 18 2016 22:26 GMT
#112772
Mohamedou Ould Slahi, who was imprisoned by the United States in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, for more than 14 years, was released on Monday, according to the Pentagon.

Slahi returned to his home country of Mauritania. A YouTube video showed him at a family home in Nouakchott, Mauritania, reports the Miami Herald, "thanking God, his government and the Mauritanian people."

In 2005, Slahi wrote a 446-page handwritten account of his imprisonment, titled Guantanamo Diary. When it was published in January 2015, heavily redacted by government censors, the book made Slahi one of the best-known prisoners at Guantanamo. The memoir went on to be a best-seller in the U.S.

In an interview with NPR in January, Hina Shamsi, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, explained how Slahi came to be imprisoned in 2002.

"He wasn't captured on a battlefield," she said. "He voluntarily turned himself over to authorities in his native country of Mauritania for questioning."

Then, Shamsi said, Slahi was "subjected to one of the most brutal torture regimes at Guantanamo."

NPR's David Welna has reported that what Americans did to Slahi during his time in custody was "extraordinary" compared to interrogations of other Guantanamo detainees.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
October 18 2016 22:41 GMT
#112773
On October 19 2016 07:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Mohamedou Ould Slahi, who was imprisoned by the United States in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, for more than 14 years, was released on Monday, according to the Pentagon.

Slahi returned to his home country of Mauritania. A YouTube video showed him at a family home in Nouakchott, Mauritania, reports the Miami Herald, "thanking God, his government and the Mauritanian people."

In 2005, Slahi wrote a 446-page handwritten account of his imprisonment, titled Guantanamo Diary. When it was published in January 2015, heavily redacted by government censors, the book made Slahi one of the best-known prisoners at Guantanamo. The memoir went on to be a best-seller in the U.S.

In an interview with NPR in January, Hina Shamsi, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, explained how Slahi came to be imprisoned in 2002.

"He wasn't captured on a battlefield," she said. "He voluntarily turned himself over to authorities in his native country of Mauritania for questioning."

Then, Shamsi said, Slahi was "subjected to one of the most brutal torture regimes at Guantanamo."

NPR's David Welna has reported that what Americans did to Slahi during his time in custody was "extraordinary" compared to interrogations of other Guantanamo detainees.


Source


Thats what he gets for trying to cooperate. Dirty terrorist.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 18 2016 22:55 GMT
#112774
The Obama administration has won an early round in the legal battle over its drive to require local schools to allow transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms that correspond to the students' gender identity.

On Tuesday, a federal magistrate in Chicago recommended that a judge reject a preliminary injunction in which a group of students and parents sought to block enforcement of that policy and reverse local policies allowing a transgender girl to use girls' locker rooms at a high school in Palatine, Illinois.

“High school students do not have a constitutional right not to share restrooms or locker rooms with transgender students whose sex assigned at birth is different than theirs,” Magistrate Judge Jeffrey Gilbert wrote in an 82-page report. “In addition, sharing a restroom or locker room with a transgender student does not create a severe, pervasive, or objectively offensive hostile environment under Title IX given the privacy protections [the school district] has put in place in those facilities and the alternative facilities available to students who do not want to share a restroom or locker room with a transgender student.”

Gilbert also said he doubted the plaintiffs’ claim that the Education Department failed to abide by the Administrative Procedure Act when interpreting Title IX to include protections for transgender students.

U.S. District Court Judge Jorge Alonso, who is overseeing the case, is not legally required to follow Gilbert’s recommendations. Further litigation before Alonso is all but certain. However, district court judges usually adopt the preliminary rulings from magistrates.

The Obama administration’s interpretation of existing civil rights laws to provide protections for transgender students has received a mixed reception in the courts.

The Richmond, Va.-based 4th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled 2-1 in April that the administration acted within its authority when it used such reasoning to order a Gloucester County, Virginia, school to accommodate a transgender boy seeking to use the boys’ bathroom. The Supreme Court stayed that ruling temporarily pending a decision by the justices about whether to review the case.

In August, a federal district court judge in Texas issued a nationwide injunction against the administration, blocking Education Department and Labor Department enforcement of civil rights laws to protect transgender individuals. That judge has said he’s considering narrowing or clarifying the scope of his injunction, but he has not yet done so.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 18 2016 22:56 GMT
#112775
On October 19 2016 06:23 LegalLord wrote:
Trump had a much stronger argument for "this election is rigged" when he was winning the primary than when he is losing the general.


Well, if anything the primary was rigged in his favor when it came to initial delegate allocation (though if you count "being designed with rules that require you to not be incompetent at organization after the vote as held" as rigged against him, it was indeed rigged against him).

Just like now the general election is if anything rigged in his favor by attempted disenfranchisement of voting blocs that don't exactly like him very much.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 18 2016 22:59 GMT
#112776
The primary was rigged more so in that there were people who genuinely conspired to remove him from the ticket despite being the front runner. Whether or not you agree that they should have done it, that really could be argued as rigging.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-18 23:04:30
October 18 2016 23:04 GMT
#112777
Term limits? lol

That's a terrible idea.

Or, actually, it's a great idea, keep pushing for it.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 18 2016 23:05 GMT
#112778
On October 19 2016 07:59 LegalLord wrote:
The primary was rigged more so in that there were people who genuinely conspired to remove him from the ticket despite being the front runner. Whether or not you agree that they should have done it, that really could be argued as rigging.


Ah. Yes, but that had an insignificant effect compared to the massive advantage he gained from non-proportional delegate allocation, and would have been even more impossible than it ended up being if he had been competent at managing delegate slates.

Unless you're saying that him not being nominated with a plurality of delegates would have been rigging (and that's what you mean by removing him from the ticket), which I do not think is rigging in any sense of the word because it should not be guaranteed for the plurality delegate candidate to win the nomination.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
October 18 2016 23:06 GMT
#112779
Term limits in Michigan have practically guaranteed that the legislature is full of people who have no idea how to govern.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 18 2016 23:08 GMT
#112780
On October 19 2016 08:05 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2016 07:59 LegalLord wrote:
The primary was rigged more so in that there were people who genuinely conspired to remove him from the ticket despite being the front runner. Whether or not you agree that they should have done it, that really could be argued as rigging.


Ah. Yes, but that had an insignificant effect compared to the massive advantage he gained from non-proportional delegate allocation, and would have been even more impossible than it ended up being if he had been competent at managing delegate slates.

Unless you're saying that him not being nominated with a plurality of delegates would have been rigging (and that's what you mean by removing him from the ticket), which I do not think is rigging in any sense of the word because it should not be guaranteed for the plurality delegate candidate to win the nomination.

I don't personally think there was any rigging worth speaking of, but nevertheless it's something you could make an argument for. Here, it is just naked sore loser whining.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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