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On October 04 2016 00:53 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone care to make any guesses as to what the Assange bomb drop is gonna be? My instinct tells me it will involve Clinton cooperating militarily with a group that many people would consider a very bad thing. Either that or an open willingness to take civilian lives for some greater good. I think it will definitely be with regards to her time as SoS. I still can't decide if I expect it to be something as critical and damaging as he says, though. I certainly think it is possible that this election goes right back to tied or even Trump favored.
Whatever it is I'm gonna expect full Clinton goggles on everyone who posts here, while flinging shit back at trump. Then kwark can make another long post about how trump supporters are just delusional and deplorable or some shit.
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On October 04 2016 00:53 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone care to make any guesses as to what the Assange bomb drop is gonna be? My instinct tells me it will involve Clinton cooperating militarily with a group that many people would consider a very bad thing. Either that or an open willingness to take civilian lives for some greater good. I think it will definitely be with regards to her time as SoS. I still can't decide if I expect it to be something as critical and damaging as he says, though. I certainly think it is possible that this election goes right back to tied or even Trump favored.
Well he dropped a mental evaluation... of himself. He just comes across as a whiny little bitch tbh. He wants to be a martyr without the entire martyr part.
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On October 04 2016 00:57 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 00:53 Mohdoo wrote:
Anyone care to make any guesses as to what the Assange bomb drop is gonna be? My instinct tells me it will involve Clinton cooperating militarily with a group that many people would consider a very bad thing. Either that or an open willingness to take civilian lives for some greater good. I think it will definitely be with regards to her time as SoS. I still can't decide if I expect it to be something as critical and damaging as he says, though. I certainly think it is possible that this election goes right back to tied or even Trump favored. Whatever it is I'm gonna expect full Clinton goggles on everyone who posts here, while flinging shit back at trump. Then kwark can make another long post about how trump supporters are just delusional and deplorable or some shit.
Or, alternatively, we can recognize that Clinton is a flawed candidate without forcing ourselves into crazy leaps of faith like "well sure, Trump has been proven to discriminate against black people and sure, since then he's done and said an unbroken string of things which can be seen as racist but really unless you've sat down with him and had a talk about the negros who can really say if he's a racist". But nice false equivalency. Good job.
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Clinton could be Dukakis and I'd still vote for her over Trump.
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On October 04 2016 00:55 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 00:40 NukeD wrote:On October 04 2016 00:26 Doodsmack wrote:
Sounds like an excellent time for a candidate with a vested financial interest in having the Russian sanctions lifted to send a FP advisor to Russia to talk with government officials about the possibility of lifting them. That's the beginnings of a great deal - maybe Russia will offer such generous concessions as ceasing to bomb Syria aide workers and continuing with a 2000 agreement on nukes. Maybe US will be so generous to stop arming ISIS? See what i did there? Yes, we all can see that you like to gloss over details in the interest of making a poorly thought out point. Nice job 
Ah its so satisfying to get a little approval of my fellow forumers.
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On October 04 2016 00:56 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 00:28 Chewbacca. wrote:On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.
The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.
The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.
Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka. Yahoo Show me one man that doesn't talk about/rate/rank sexual aspects of attractive women with other men. This article is about as useful as one saying, Trump breathes air. Is this really your defence line? “Sexism is widespread so it's ok” ??
Essentially, yep. Men are wired to be pigs when it comes to women. Sure, some of us have better self-control than others, and we have a lot of self-imposed social constructs to constrain these male behaviors. But none of this changes the fact that, as a female friend of mine so eloquently put it, "men will fuck mud."
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Was listening to a piece where Sam Harris (yeah yeah) was going in on Trump and said he would vote for an American citizen taken completely at random over Trump. With how dumb, lazy and misinformed the general public is he'd still take that chance and I gotta say I wholeheartedly agree.
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On October 04 2016 01:10 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Was listening to a piece where Sam Harris (yeah yeah) was going in on Trump and said he would vote for an American citizen taken completely at random over Trump. With how dumb, lazy and misinformed the general public is he'd still take that chance and I gotta say I wholeheartedly agree.
Even someone like Sam Harris can be right about something once in a while
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On October 04 2016 01:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 00:56 TheDwf wrote:On October 04 2016 00:28 Chewbacca. wrote:On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.
The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.
The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.
Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka. Yahoo Show me one man that doesn't talk about/rate/rank sexual aspects of attractive women with other men. This article is about as useful as one saying, Trump breathes air. Is this really your defence line? “Sexism is widespread so it's ok” ?? Essentially, yep. Men are wired to be pigs when it comes to women.
There are a lot of basic instincts that people are expected to suppress while they are at work. I don't think instinct is an acceptable defense of this behavior.
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On October 04 2016 01:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 00:56 TheDwf wrote:On October 04 2016 00:28 Chewbacca. wrote:On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.
The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.
The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.
Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka. Yahoo Show me one man that doesn't talk about/rate/rank sexual aspects of attractive women with other men. This article is about as useful as one saying, Trump breathes air. Is this really your defence line? “Sexism is widespread so it's ok” ?? Essentially, yep. Men are wired to be pigs when it comes to women. Sure, some of us have better self-control than others, and we have a lot of self-imposed social constructs to constrain these male behaviors. But none of this changes the fact that, as a female friend of mine so eloquently put it, "men will fuck mud."
If I were to accept your argument that men are biologically incapable of respecting women then the logical conclusion would be to disqualify Trump purely for being a man and to vote for a woman every time I could. However I do not. I think that Trump's disrespect for women cannot be excused simply by saying "he's a man, all men are sexist" any more than his discrimination against African Americans can be dismissed by saying "it was the 80s, we all did it". Men are not intrinsically shit. Trump is unusually shit. Don't dismiss his flaws by trying to project them onto the rest of us. You may be content to be deplorable, I am not.
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I wonder if the purpose of these leaks is not so much to get Trump to win, but to damage Hillary's credibility once she actually takes office and lead to difficulty in pushing some of her less well-liked policies. Even the Trump fans in here would probably admit that he is not favored to win and really never was, and I'm not sure all this effort is merely for pushing an unlikely victory.
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On October 04 2016 01:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 00:56 TheDwf wrote:On October 04 2016 00:28 Chewbacca. wrote:On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.
The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.
The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.
Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka. Yahoo Show me one man that doesn't talk about/rate/rank sexual aspects of attractive women with other men. This article is about as useful as one saying, Trump breathes air. Is this really your defence line? “Sexism is widespread so it's ok” ?? Essentially, yep. Men are wired to be pigs when it comes to women. Sure, some of us have better self-control than others, and we have a lot of self-imposed social constructs to constrain these male behaviors. But none of this changes the fact that, as a female friend of mine so eloquently put it, "men will fuck mud."
You only get that type of wiring in the brain through consist behaviour. Not all men have it. Some women also have it. It is not an excuse for displaying that kind of deplorable behaviour in a professional environment. It is a sign that one has serious faults that one needs to work on. Somehow, Trump doesn't strike me as the kind of guy to work on his personal shortcomings.
Just because some types of behaviour may have a biological origin, doesn't mean that you can just display it all over people.
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You guys aren't actually mad at trumps "sexism", you are mad at him being Open about it. Which in a work environment is a legitimate reason, but outside its fair game.
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On October 04 2016 01:12 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 01:09 xDaunt wrote:On October 04 2016 00:56 TheDwf wrote:On October 04 2016 00:28 Chewbacca. wrote:On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.
The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.
The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.
Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka. Yahoo Show me one man that doesn't talk about/rate/rank sexual aspects of attractive women with other men. This article is about as useful as one saying, Trump breathes air. Is this really your defence line? “Sexism is widespread so it's ok” ?? Essentially, yep. Men are wired to be pigs when it comes to women. There are a lot of basic instincts that people are expected to suppress while they are at work. I don't think instinct is an acceptable defense of this behavior.
Clearly there are certain lines that cannot be crossed and that there's going to be disagreement over where some lines are. And while I don't think that what Trump apparently said is appropriate, I also don't think that it is so far out of bounds as to be worthy of outrage.
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On October 04 2016 01:18 LegalLord wrote:
I wonder if the purpose of these leaks is not so much to get Trump to win, but to damage Hillary's credibility once she actually takes office and lead to difficulty in pushing some of her less well-liked policies. Even the Trump fans in here would probably admit that he is not favored to win and really never was, and I'm not sure all this effort is merely for pushing an unlikely victory.
This statement makes me seriously wonder whether or not you have actually been reading this thread.
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On October 04 2016 01:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 01:09 xDaunt wrote:On October 04 2016 00:56 TheDwf wrote:On October 04 2016 00:28 Chewbacca. wrote:On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.
The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.
The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.
Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka. Yahoo Show me one man that doesn't talk about/rate/rank sexual aspects of attractive women with other men. This article is about as useful as one saying, Trump breathes air. Is this really your defence line? “Sexism is widespread so it's ok” ?? Essentially, yep. Men are wired to be pigs when it comes to women. Sure, some of us have better self-control than others, and we have a lot of self-imposed social constructs to constrain these male behaviors. But none of this changes the fact that, as a female friend of mine so eloquently put it, "men will fuck mud." If I were to accept your argument that men are biologically incapable of respecting women then the logical conclusion would be to disqualify Trump purely for being a man and to vote for a woman every time I could. However I do not. I think that Trump's disrespect for women cannot be excused simply by saying "he's a man, all men are sexist" any more than his discrimination against African Americans can be dismissed by saying "it was the 80s, we all did it". Men are not intrinsically shit. Trump is unusually shit. Don't dismiss his flaws by trying to project them onto the rest of us. You may be content to be deplorable, I am not.
It amazes me how quickly some “conservatives” can discard their ideal of personal responsibility when it comes to white dudes. But then switch right back to pushing for it comes to anyone who is not a white dude.
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On October 04 2016 01:23 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2016 01:18 LegalLord wrote:
I wonder if the purpose of these leaks is not so much to get Trump to win, but to damage Hillary's credibility once she actually takes office and lead to difficulty in pushing some of her less well-liked policies. Even the Trump fans in here would probably admit that he is not favored to win and really never was, and I'm not sure all this effort is merely for pushing an unlikely victory. This statement makes me seriously wonder whether or not you have actually been reading this thread.
Low-content snarker as always, aren't you?
Most of them have been pretty willing to acknowledge that he has a sub-50% chance of winning, albeit in very indirect ways.
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On October 04 2016 01:22 biology]major wrote:
You guys aren't actually mad at trumps "sexism", you are mad at him being Open about it. Which in a work environment is a legitimate reason, but outside its fair game.
What we're mad about doesn't matter. What matters is what women care about and he's getting slaughtered there. At this point his sexism is very real and deep rooted. This is just another nail in the female vote coffin.
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On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.
The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.
The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.
Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka. Yahoo
Welcome to the bottom of the barrel.
And I thought dredging up being a landlord to some Iranian bank was already scraping that clean.
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On October 04 2016 01:22 biology]major wrote:
You guys aren't actually mad at trumps "sexism", you are mad at him being Open about it. Which in a work environment is a legitimate reason, but outside its fair game.
So you're not going to defend his sexism? Honestly I expected a "well who can really say, you'd have to sit down with him and discuss which foreign leaders he'd most like to fuck" from you. Not this "well sure he's sexist but your motives for attacking his sexism are bad so let's talk about that" shit.
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