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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
October 03 2016 16:33 GMT
#106001
On October 04 2016 01:22 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:09 xDaunt wrote:
On October 04 2016 00:56 TheDwf wrote:
On October 04 2016 00:28 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:
In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.

The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.

The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.

Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka.


Yahoo

Show me one man that doesn't talk about/rate/rank sexual aspects of attractive women with other men.

This article is about as useful as one saying, Trump breathes air.

Is this really your defence line? “Sexism is widespread so it's ok” ??

Essentially, yep. Men are wired to be pigs when it comes to women.


There are a lot of basic instincts that people are expected to suppress while they are at work. I don't think instinct is an acceptable defense of this behavior.

Clearly there are certain lines that cannot be crossed and that there's going to be disagreement over where some lines are. And while I don't think that what Trump apparently said is appropriate, I also don't think that it is so far out of bounds as to be worthy of outrage.


I think you are really underestimating how uncomfortable sexual comments like that can make someone. Sexuality/attractiveness are so close to someone's identity. Making an issue of that in a workplace can completely ruin someone's comfort at work. When you consider the enormous leaps we have made regarding respect for women over the past 50 years, I think it is important to recognize what seemed normal and acceptable at that time, then compare that to current day. People made similar arguments for what I am sure you would consider sexual harassment 50 years ago. We can do better and we should want to do better. I don't see the incentive to just accept making women uncomfortable at work.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42654 Posts
October 03 2016 16:39 GMT
#106002
It's unusually distasteful given it's a show in which he's meant to be mentoring young women who wish to be taken seriously as professionals.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 03 2016 16:40 GMT
#106003
On October 04 2016 01:28 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:
In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.

The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.

The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.

Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka.


Yahoo

Welcome to the bottom of the barrel.

And I thought dredging up being a landlord to some Iranian bank was already scraping that clean.


Alright so Trump accepting rent payments from an Iranian bank during a period where there was an embargo on doing so, is a non-issue.

And a boss openly being inappropriate to women in the workplace, when that boss is running for president and shows a pattern of sexism, is a non-issue.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17983 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-03 16:47:23
October 03 2016 16:44 GMT
#106004
On October 04 2016 01:40 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:28 Acrofales wrote:
On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:
In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.

The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.

The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.

Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka.


Yahoo

Welcome to the bottom of the barrel.

And I thought dredging up being a landlord to some Iranian bank was already scraping that clean.


Alright so Trump accepting rent payments from an Iranian bank during a period where there was an embargo on doing so, is a non-issue.

And a boss openly being inappropriate to women in the workplace, when that boss is running for president and shows a pattern of sexism, is a non-issue.


If there was an embargo with that bank, then it's an issue. But that's not what the article was harping on about. I haven't actually seen any evidence presented that Trump broke the embargo, although he has plenty of other dodgy business dealings, so it wouldn't surprise me. That said, even then, I doubt he even knew this bank was renting space in one of his buildings. He's still responsible as the managing director of the entire enterprise, but it's so far up the food chain, that he probably didn't know (however, he appointed incompetent people underneath him).

As for Trump's misogeny, there are already hundreds of examples, and better ones at that. If people are not yet convinced he's a sexist pig, then dragging out yet another example is not going to do anything. Nobody is going to go "eureka! all those soundbytes of him being a sexist prick to Megyn Kelly, Alicia Machado, Rosie O'Donnell and all his ex-wives were unconvincing, but him doing it on the set of his TV show is what sold me on the idea."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 03 2016 16:48 GMT
#106005
On October 04 2016 01:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:22 xDaunt wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:12 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:09 xDaunt wrote:
On October 04 2016 00:56 TheDwf wrote:
On October 04 2016 00:28 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:
In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.

The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.

The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.

Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka.


Yahoo

Show me one man that doesn't talk about/rate/rank sexual aspects of attractive women with other men.

This article is about as useful as one saying, Trump breathes air.

Is this really your defence line? “Sexism is widespread so it's ok” ??

Essentially, yep. Men are wired to be pigs when it comes to women.


There are a lot of basic instincts that people are expected to suppress while they are at work. I don't think instinct is an acceptable defense of this behavior.

Clearly there are certain lines that cannot be crossed and that there's going to be disagreement over where some lines are. And while I don't think that what Trump apparently said is appropriate, I also don't think that it is so far out of bounds as to be worthy of outrage.


I think you are really underestimating how uncomfortable sexual comments like that can make someone. Sexuality/attractiveness are so close to someone's identity. Making an issue of that in a workplace can completely ruin someone's comfort at work. When you consider the enormous leaps we have made regarding respect for women over the past 50 years, I think it is important to recognize what seemed normal and acceptable at that time, then compare that to current day. People made similar arguments for what I am sure you would consider sexual harassment 50 years ago. We can do better and we should want to do better. I don't see the incentive to just accept making women uncomfortable at work.

I have litigated workplace sexual harassment cases on behalf of plaintiffs, so I understand the issue better than most. I definitely get it.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
October 03 2016 16:48 GMT
#106006
On October 04 2016 01:09 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 00:56 TheDwf wrote:
On October 04 2016 00:28 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:
In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.

The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.

The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.

Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka.


Yahoo

Show me one man that doesn't talk about/rate/rank sexual aspects of attractive women with other men.

This article is about as useful as one saying, Trump breathes air.

Is this really your defence line? “Sexism is widespread so it's ok” ??

Essentially, yep. Men are wired to be pigs when it comes to women. Sure, some of us have better self-control than others, and we have a lot of self-imposed social constructs to constrain these male behaviors. But none of this changes the fact that, as a female friend of mine so eloquently put it, "men will fuck mud."

If we all freely followed our basic instinct 'Mans instinctual need for dominance' would cause WW3 by the end of the week as we establish the global alpha male.
Maybe we want someone to lead 'the greatest nation on earth' who has a little more self control. You know, something simple like not talking about wanted to fuck mud...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 03 2016 16:49 GMT
#106007
On October 04 2016 01:29 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:22 biology]major wrote:
You guys aren't actually mad at trumps "sexism", you are mad at him being Open about it. Which in a work environment is a legitimate reason, but outside its fair game.

So you're not going to defend his sexism? Honestly I expected a "well who can really say, you'd have to sit down with him and discuss which foreign leaders he'd most like to fuck" from you. Not this "well sure he's sexist but your motives for attacking his sexism are bad so let's talk about that" shit.


Again a diluted and meaningless word. If checking out women and rating them on their appearance is sexism, I am a proud sexist. Would I do it at work? Probably not.
Question.?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
October 03 2016 16:50 GMT
#106008
On October 04 2016 01:44 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:40 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:28 Acrofales wrote:
On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:
In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.

The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.

The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.

Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka.


Yahoo

Welcome to the bottom of the barrel.

And I thought dredging up being a landlord to some Iranian bank was already scraping that clean.


Alright so Trump accepting rent payments from an Iranian bank during a period where there was an embargo on doing so, is a non-issue.

And a boss openly being inappropriate to women in the workplace, when that boss is running for president and shows a pattern of sexism, is a non-issue.


If there was an embargo with that bank, then it's an issue. But that's not what the article was harping on about. I haven't actually seen any evidence presented that Trump broke the embargo, although he has plenty of other dodgy business dealings, so it wouldn't surprise me. That said, even then, I doubt he even knew this bank was renting space in one of his buildings. He's still responsible as the managing director of the entire enterprise, but it's so far up the food chain, that he probably didn't know (however, he appointed incompetent people underneath him).

As for Trump's misogeny, there are already hundreds of examples, and better ones at that. If people are not yet convinced he's a sexist pig, then dragging out yet another example is not going to do anything. Nobody is going to go "eureka! all those soundbytes of him being a sexist prick to Megyn Kelly, Alicia Machado, Rosie O'Donnell and all his ex-wives were unconvincing, but him doing it on the set of his TV show is what sold me on the idea."

Its about reinforcing the image and refreshing it in the minds of voters as early voting starts. New stories are more likely to be picked up then the reminder of a story from 6 months ago.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-03 16:53:12
October 03 2016 16:52 GMT
#106009
On October 04 2016 01:49 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:29 KwarK wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:22 biology]major wrote:
You guys aren't actually mad at trumps "sexism", you are mad at him being Open about it. Which in a work environment is a legitimate reason, but outside its fair game.

So you're not going to defend his sexism? Honestly I expected a "well who can really say, you'd have to sit down with him and discuss which foreign leaders he'd most like to fuck" from you. Not this "well sure he's sexist but your motives for attacking his sexism are bad so let's talk about that" shit.


Again a diluted and meaningless word. If checking out women and rating them on their appearance is sexism, I am a proud sexist. Would I do it at work? Probably not.

But thats the problem with Trump... We do lots of 'wrong' things like rating female co-workers sexually in our mind. And thats acceptable so long as it stays in our mind. Trump has no regulation between mouth and brain, no self control. I would like one of the most powerful people on the planet to have a little self control.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42654 Posts
October 03 2016 16:53 GMT
#106010
On October 04 2016 01:49 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:29 KwarK wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:22 biology]major wrote:
You guys aren't actually mad at trumps "sexism", you are mad at him being Open about it. Which in a work environment is a legitimate reason, but outside its fair game.

So you're not going to defend his sexism? Honestly I expected a "well who can really say, you'd have to sit down with him and discuss which foreign leaders he'd most like to fuck" from you. Not this "well sure he's sexist but your motives for attacking his sexism are bad so let's talk about that" shit.


Again a diluted and meaningless word. If checking out women and rating them on their appearance is sexism, I am a proud sexist. Would I do it at work? Probably not.

Again, diluted because it used to be the opinions of men that defined what was and was not sexist but then women showed up and watered it down with all their experiences of sexism.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 03 2016 16:53 GMT
#106011


It appears the Reagans are also not pleased with Trump. Telling people to vote down ticket for the GOP, but Trump cannot be in White House.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 03 2016 16:56 GMT
#106012
On October 04 2016 01:49 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:29 KwarK wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:22 biology]major wrote:
You guys aren't actually mad at trumps "sexism", you are mad at him being Open about it. Which in a work environment is a legitimate reason, but outside its fair game.

So you're not going to defend his sexism? Honestly I expected a "well who can really say, you'd have to sit down with him and discuss which foreign leaders he'd most like to fuck" from you. Not this "well sure he's sexist but your motives for attacking his sexism are bad so let's talk about that" shit.


Again a diluted and meaningless word. If checking out women and rating them on their appearance is sexism, I am a proud sexist. Would I do it at work? Probably not.

If you did it at work, your ass would be fired or subject your office to a hostile work environment claim if they didn’t can your ass.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 03 2016 16:57 GMT
#106013
On October 04 2016 01:49 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:29 KwarK wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:22 biology]major wrote:
You guys aren't actually mad at trumps "sexism", you are mad at him being Open about it. Which in a work environment is a legitimate reason, but outside its fair game.

So you're not going to defend his sexism? Honestly I expected a "well who can really say, you'd have to sit down with him and discuss which foreign leaders he'd most like to fuck" from you. Not this "well sure he's sexist but your motives for attacking his sexism are bad so let's talk about that" shit.


Again a diluted and meaningless word. If checking out women and rating them on their appearance is sexism, I am a proud sexist. Would I do it at work? Probably not.


Everyone checks out and rates to some level people they find attractive in their own mind, everyone. That's one thing as long as you're not a fucking creep about it. But no one else on the planet cares who or what you find attractive. There's no need to tell someone else you think Katie has got a bangin set of tits, keep it to yourself. The only reason to spread your rankings is if for some reason you need reassurance from other people on what you find attractive and that's actually quite sad. Like what you like, you don't need someone else's permission for that or their validation so just keep it to yourself.
LiquidDota Staff
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 03 2016 17:03 GMT
#106014
On October 04 2016 01:57 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:49 biology]major wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:29 KwarK wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:22 biology]major wrote:
You guys aren't actually mad at trumps "sexism", you are mad at him being Open about it. Which in a work environment is a legitimate reason, but outside its fair game.

So you're not going to defend his sexism? Honestly I expected a "well who can really say, you'd have to sit down with him and discuss which foreign leaders he'd most like to fuck" from you. Not this "well sure he's sexist but your motives for attacking his sexism are bad so let's talk about that" shit.


Again a diluted and meaningless word. If checking out women and rating them on their appearance is sexism, I am a proud sexist. Would I do it at work? Probably not.


Everyone checks out and rates to some level people they find attractive in their own mind, everyone. That's one thing as long as you're not a fucking creep about it. But no one else on the planet cares who or what you find attractive. There's no need to tell someone else you think Katie has got a bangin set of tits, keep it to yourself. The only reason to spread your rankings is if for some reason you need reassurance from other people on what you find attractive and that's actually quite sad. Like what you like, you don't need someone else's permission for that or their validation so just keep it to yourself.


Which is exactly what I said, people aren't actually mad about the "sexism" here, its only bothersome because it's out in the open. "Need reassurance", everyone needs validation lol, it's probably as strong a drive as sex. clearly you are a buddhist monk though, and are above such feelings.
Question.?
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 03 2016 17:04 GMT
#106015
On October 04 2016 02:03 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:57 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:49 biology]major wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:29 KwarK wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:22 biology]major wrote:
You guys aren't actually mad at trumps "sexism", you are mad at him being Open about it. Which in a work environment is a legitimate reason, but outside its fair game.

So you're not going to defend his sexism? Honestly I expected a "well who can really say, you'd have to sit down with him and discuss which foreign leaders he'd most like to fuck" from you. Not this "well sure he's sexist but your motives for attacking his sexism are bad so let's talk about that" shit.


Again a diluted and meaningless word. If checking out women and rating them on their appearance is sexism, I am a proud sexist. Would I do it at work? Probably not.


Everyone checks out and rates to some level people they find attractive in their own mind, everyone. That's one thing as long as you're not a fucking creep about it. But no one else on the planet cares who or what you find attractive. There's no need to tell someone else you think Katie has got a bangin set of tits, keep it to yourself. The only reason to spread your rankings is if for some reason you need reassurance from other people on what you find attractive and that's actually quite sad. Like what you like, you don't need someone else's permission for that or their validation so just keep it to yourself.


Which is exactly what I said, people aren't actually mad about the "sexism" here, its only bothersome because it's out in the open. "Need reassurance", everyone needs validation lol, it's probably as strong a drive as sex. clearly you are a buddhist monk though, and are above such feelings.


I need no validation to what I find attractive. I don't give a shit what your opinion is or anyone elses. I'm not a child.
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CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
October 03 2016 17:05 GMT
#106016
On October 04 2016 01:44 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:40 Doodsmack wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:28 Acrofales wrote:
On October 03 2016 23:57 Doodsmack wrote:
In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.

The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.

The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.

Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka.


Yahoo

Welcome to the bottom of the barrel.

And I thought dredging up being a landlord to some Iranian bank was already scraping that clean.


Alright so Trump accepting rent payments from an Iranian bank during a period where there was an embargo on doing so, is a non-issue.

And a boss openly being inappropriate to women in the workplace, when that boss is running for president and shows a pattern of sexism, is a non-issue.


If there was an embargo with that bank, then it's an issue. But that's not what the article was harping on about. I haven't actually seen any evidence presented that Trump broke the embargo, although he has plenty of other dodgy business dealings, so it wouldn't surprise me. That said, even then, I doubt he even knew this bank was renting space in one of his buildings. He's still responsible as the managing director of the entire enterprise, but it's so far up the food chain, that he probably didn't know (however, he appointed incompetent people underneath him).

As for Trump's misogeny, there are already hundreds of examples, and better ones at that. If people are not yet convinced he's a sexist pig, then dragging out yet another example is not going to do anything. Nobody is going to go "eureka! all those soundbytes of him being a sexist prick to Megyn Kelly, Alicia Machado, Rosie O'Donnell and all his ex-wives were unconvincing, but him doing it on the set of his TV show is what sold me on the idea."


At the time, the U.S. had a sweeping embargo in place which prohibited Americans from doing business with Iran, including receiving rent payments. However, some Iranian organizations were granted licenses exempting specific transactions from sanctions. If the payments were licensed, it may have been legally difficult for the Trump Organization to evict the bank.

The Treasury Department does not publicly disclose individual licenses granting companies exemptions from sanctions rules. The Treasury Department, the Trump campaign and Bank Melli all declined to answer whether the agency had issued a license to the Trump Organization or the bank permitting rent payments during Trump's ownership of the building.

The Trump campaign declined to answer any of ICIJ's questions about Bank Melli, but said Trump would take steps to avoid any conflicts of interest with his business dealings if he is elected president.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-group-did-business-iranian-bank-later-linked-terror-n657636

Yes to embargo, but perhaps Trump had a license but he won't say? Just one more turd for the Trump turd pile for now. Perhaps we will get a definitive answer one day.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 03 2016 17:06 GMT
#106017
On October 04 2016 02:04 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 02:03 biology]major wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:57 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:49 biology]major wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:29 KwarK wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:22 biology]major wrote:
You guys aren't actually mad at trumps "sexism", you are mad at him being Open about it. Which in a work environment is a legitimate reason, but outside its fair game.

So you're not going to defend his sexism? Honestly I expected a "well who can really say, you'd have to sit down with him and discuss which foreign leaders he'd most like to fuck" from you. Not this "well sure he's sexist but your motives for attacking his sexism are bad so let's talk about that" shit.


Again a diluted and meaningless word. If checking out women and rating them on their appearance is sexism, I am a proud sexist. Would I do it at work? Probably not.


Everyone checks out and rates to some level people they find attractive in their own mind, everyone. That's one thing as long as you're not a fucking creep about it. But no one else on the planet cares who or what you find attractive. There's no need to tell someone else you think Katie has got a bangin set of tits, keep it to yourself. The only reason to spread your rankings is if for some reason you need reassurance from other people on what you find attractive and that's actually quite sad. Like what you like, you don't need someone else's permission for that or their validation so just keep it to yourself.


Which is exactly what I said, people aren't actually mad about the "sexism" here, its only bothersome because it's out in the open. "Need reassurance", everyone needs validation lol, it's probably as strong a drive as sex. clearly you are a buddhist monk though, and are above such feelings.


I need no validation to what I find attractive. I don't give a shit what your opinion is or anyone elses. I'm not a child.


You lack self awareness, if you removed all the validation a person received, he/she would end up in a psych ward. Unless you spent your entire life trying to let go of it, but go ahead and pretend your not a child.
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-03 17:23:15
October 03 2016 17:07 GMT
#106018
On October 04 2016 02:06 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 02:04 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On October 04 2016 02:03 biology]major wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:57 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:49 biology]major wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:29 KwarK wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:22 biology]major wrote:
You guys aren't actually mad at trumps "sexism", you are mad at him being Open about it. Which in a work environment is a legitimate reason, but outside its fair game.

So you're not going to defend his sexism? Honestly I expected a "well who can really say, you'd have to sit down with him and discuss which foreign leaders he'd most like to fuck" from you. Not this "well sure he's sexist but your motives for attacking his sexism are bad so let's talk about that" shit.


Again a diluted and meaningless word. If checking out women and rating them on their appearance is sexism, I am a proud sexist. Would I do it at work? Probably not.


Everyone checks out and rates to some level people they find attractive in their own mind, everyone. That's one thing as long as you're not a fucking creep about it. But no one else on the planet cares who or what you find attractive. There's no need to tell someone else you think Katie has got a bangin set of tits, keep it to yourself. The only reason to spread your rankings is if for some reason you need reassurance from other people on what you find attractive and that's actually quite sad. Like what you like, you don't need someone else's permission for that or their validation so just keep it to yourself.


Which is exactly what I said, people aren't actually mad about the "sexism" here, its only bothersome because it's out in the open. "Need reassurance", everyone needs validation lol, it's probably as strong a drive as sex. clearly you are a buddhist monk though, and are above such feelings.


I need no validation to what I find attractive. I don't give a shit what your opinion is or anyone elses. I'm not a child.


You lack self awareness, if you removed all the validation a person received, he/she would end up in a psych ward. Unless you spent your entire life trying to let go of it, but go ahead and pretend your not a child.


Your reading comprehension is amazingly bad.

Lets try this 1 last time. No one should need outside validation in what they find sexually attractive. Whether you like dudes or chicks, big boobs, small boobs, dudes with peg legs, redheads, black chicks, pointy elbows, feet, giant butts, jacked asian guys, etc. I don't need permission or validation from you or anyone else for my internal personal ranking system because I'm not a child. I like what I like, you like what you like and no one on earth cares what either of us are into.

We're not talking validation from your boss that you're a good worker or validation from your kid that you're a good dad. We're talking validation as to what you find attractive which is the only reason someone would feel the need to share with others who they find hot and why they've got the sexiest ass or whatever.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-03 17:09:47
October 03 2016 17:09 GMT
#106019
I find it very hard to believe Trump declaring losses on his tax returns is merely smart usage of the laws on the books. More likely he's obfuscating behind a lawyer army and dampening the IRS's willingness to litigate it. That would be in keeping with his not-so-good-faith litigiousness.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 03 2016 17:20 GMT
#106020
On October 04 2016 02:09 Doodsmack wrote:
I find it very hard to believe Trump declaring losses on his tax returns is merely smart usage of the laws on the books. More likely he's obfuscating behind a lawyer army and dampening the IRS's willingness to litigate it. That would be in keeping with his not-so-good-faith litigiousness.

Nah, this IRS thing is a dud of a story. What he did was legal. And here's the other problem: even presuming that there are errors in the tax returns, Trump is going to be heavily insulated from liability by virtue of having CPAs handle all of this stuff.
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