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On October 03 2016 22:18 Trainrunnef wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 22:12 Acrofales wrote:On October 03 2016 22:06 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 03 2016 21:29 GoTuNk! wrote:
Can't you simply condemn this categorically evil organization? Or you feel the need to put the blame on something else, like the CIA? Look at this Afghanistan chart.The massive drop in 2001 is when the taliban banned opium production. Current production is around 40 times higher than 2001. If you wanted to win the war on drugs wouldn't it make sense to cut supply at the source? Especially if you've invaded said country that produces 97% of the worlds crop? ![[image loading]](http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Opium-Afghanistan-chart.jpg) What? You realize Afghanistan and Colombia have absolutely nothing to do with each other, right?! Also, cocaine (EDIT: and its derivatives) is not opium in case that was also being conflated.
No conflation between the different drugs, just saying that opium production in Afghanistan is up 40x since the US invasion in 2001 (when the Taliban banned opium production) so don't expect any interruption in drugs from Columbia.The Govt will do whatever it can to keep the lines open.
Any comments from Plansix or kwizach on the latest wikileaks post? This is most likely why Assange cancelled his planned London balcony announcement instead now preferring to go with the video feed option.
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I don’t think anyone should be shocked that many governments want to deal with Assange and wikileaks. Arrest or otherwise. They have done a good job playing themselves up “champions of free information,” but they shown zero regard for the innocent people they may harm by releasing un-redacted information. Assange wouldn’t bat an eyelash at releasing information that could get innocent people killed if it furthered his political gains.
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Assange has Putin's hand so far up his ass that Putin's moving his mouth for him.
It's not even political gain really, it's self aggrandizement.
Meanwhile, another wheel falls off the Trump train. The Iran deal was very bad! The Donald could have gotten a better one, after all he's worked with the Iranians before...
Trump’s organization did business with Iranian bank later linked to terrorism
Donald Trump’s real estate organization rented New York office space from 1998 to 2003 to an Iranian bank that U.S. authorities have linked to terrorist groups and Iran’s nuclear program.
Trump inherited Bank Melli, one of Iran’s largest state-controlled banks, as a tenant when he purchased the General Motors Building on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, according to public records reviewed by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and the Center for Public Integrity. The Trump Organization kept the bank on as a tenant for four more years after the U.S. Treasury Department designated Bank Melli in 1999 as being controlled by the Iranian government.
U.S. officials later alleged that Bank Melli had been used to obtain sensitive materials for Iran’s nuclear program. U.S. authorities also alleged that the bank had been used between 2002 and 2006 to funnel money to a unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that has sponsored terrorist attacks — a period that overlapped with the time the bank rented office space from Trump.
The Trump Organization’s dealings with the Iranian bank shed more light on Trump’s wide-ranging business interests, which sometimes stand at odds with his blunt declarations on the campaign trail. Trump has denounced Iran as a “big enemy,” blasted Hillary Clinton for not taking a harder line against the Iranian regime and charged that donations from foreign governments to the Clinton Foundation amounted to evidence of corruption. His five-year stint as Bank Melli’s landlord provides an example of the Trump Organization itself doing business with a government hostile to the United States.
“It’s a pretty hypocritical position to take,” said Richard Nephew, who served from 2013 to 2015 as principal deputy coordinator of sanctions policy at the U.S. State Department and spent nearly a decade working on Iran sanctions in the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. “It suggests that his principles are pretty flexible when it comes to him getting paid.”
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On October 03 2016 22:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:(From wikileaks official twitter) Hillary Clinton : Can't we just drone this guy? (assange) ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct1wSv6WEAAtX6X.jpg) https://twitter.com/wikileaks
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Now that's a classy response.
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On October 03 2016 22:30 ticklishmusic wrote:Assange has Putin's hand so far up his ass that Putin's moving his mouth for him. It's not even political gain really, it's self aggrandizement. Meanwhile, another wheel falls off the Trump train. The Iran deal was very bad! The Donald could have gotten a better one, after all he's worked with the Iranians before... Show nested quote +Trump’s organization did business with Iranian bank later linked to terrorism
Donald Trump’s real estate organization rented New York office space from 1998 to 2003 to an Iranian bank that U.S. authorities have linked to terrorist groups and Iran’s nuclear program.
Trump inherited Bank Melli, one of Iran’s largest state-controlled banks, as a tenant when he purchased the General Motors Building on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, according to public records reviewed by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and the Center for Public Integrity. The Trump Organization kept the bank on as a tenant for four more years after the U.S. Treasury Department designated Bank Melli in 1999 as being controlled by the Iranian government.
U.S. officials later alleged that Bank Melli had been used to obtain sensitive materials for Iran’s nuclear program. U.S. authorities also alleged that the bank had been used between 2002 and 2006 to funnel money to a unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that has sponsored terrorist attacks — a period that overlapped with the time the bank rented office space from Trump.
The Trump Organization’s dealings with the Iranian bank shed more light on Trump’s wide-ranging business interests, which sometimes stand at odds with his blunt declarations on the campaign trail. Trump has denounced Iran as a “big enemy,” blasted Hillary Clinton for not taking a harder line against the Iranian regime and charged that donations from foreign governments to the Clinton Foundation amounted to evidence of corruption. His five-year stint as Bank Melli’s landlord provides an example of the Trump Organization itself doing business with a government hostile to the United States.
“It’s a pretty hypocritical position to take,” said Richard Nephew, who served from 2013 to 2015 as principal deputy coordinator of sanctions policy at the U.S. State Department and spent nearly a decade working on Iran sanctions in the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. “It suggests that his principles are pretty flexible when it comes to him getting paid.”
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What I'm not seeing in that article is the prohibition on Bank Melli doing business, or having any presence, in the US while it was Trump's tenant.
Keep flinging that poo! Some of it is bound to stick eventually.
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On October 03 2016 22:30 ticklishmusic wrote:Assange has Putin's hand so far up his ass that Putin's moving his mouth for him. It's not even political gain really, it's self aggrandizement. Meanwhile, another wheel falls off the Trump train. The Iran deal was very bad! The Donald could have gotten a better one, after all he's worked with the Iranians before... Show nested quote +Trump’s organization did business with Iranian bank later linked to terrorism
Donald Trump’s real estate organization rented New York office space from 1998 to 2003 to an Iranian bank that U.S. authorities have linked to terrorist groups and Iran’s nuclear program.
Trump inherited Bank Melli, one of Iran’s largest state-controlled banks, as a tenant when he purchased the General Motors Building on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, according to public records reviewed by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and the Center for Public Integrity. The Trump Organization kept the bank on as a tenant for four more years after the U.S. Treasury Department designated Bank Melli in 1999 as being controlled by the Iranian government.
U.S. officials later alleged that Bank Melli had been used to obtain sensitive materials for Iran’s nuclear program. U.S. authorities also alleged that the bank had been used between 2002 and 2006 to funnel money to a unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that has sponsored terrorist attacks — a period that overlapped with the time the bank rented office space from Trump.
The Trump Organization’s dealings with the Iranian bank shed more light on Trump’s wide-ranging business interests, which sometimes stand at odds with his blunt declarations on the campaign trail. Trump has denounced Iran as a “big enemy,” blasted Hillary Clinton for not taking a harder line against the Iranian regime and charged that donations from foreign governments to the Clinton Foundation amounted to evidence of corruption. His five-year stint as Bank Melli’s landlord provides an example of the Trump Organization itself doing business with a government hostile to the United States.
“It’s a pretty hypocritical position to take,” said Richard Nephew, who served from 2013 to 2015 as principal deputy coordinator of sanctions policy at the U.S. State Department and spent nearly a decade working on Iran sanctions in the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. “It suggests that his principles are pretty flexible when it comes to him getting paid.”
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Wut? However much I dislike Trump, he is not responsible for the actions of people/companies who rent offices from him. The title alone has some spin in it which is completely unsubstantiated in the article. "Doing business with" implies a lot more than "this bank once rented office space in one of his buildings".
Unless there is some reason to assume Trump knew what was happening and let it happen in his building, I really don't see anything wrong here.
How about we stick to the giant pile of shit that is already sticking to Trump, instead of distracting people with this kind of non-news.
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On October 03 2016 22:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:(From wikileaks official twitter) Hillary Clinton : Can't we just drone this guy? (assange) https://twitter.com/wikileaks
Disgusting...
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On October 03 2016 22:41 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 22:30 ticklishmusic wrote:Assange has Putin's hand so far up his ass that Putin's moving his mouth for him. It's not even political gain really, it's self aggrandizement. Meanwhile, another wheel falls off the Trump train. The Iran deal was very bad! The Donald could have gotten a better one, after all he's worked with the Iranians before... Trump’s organization did business with Iranian bank later linked to terrorism
Donald Trump’s real estate organization rented New York office space from 1998 to 2003 to an Iranian bank that U.S. authorities have linked to terrorist groups and Iran’s nuclear program.
Trump inherited Bank Melli, one of Iran’s largest state-controlled banks, as a tenant when he purchased the General Motors Building on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, according to public records reviewed by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and the Center for Public Integrity. The Trump Organization kept the bank on as a tenant for four more years after the U.S. Treasury Department designated Bank Melli in 1999 as being controlled by the Iranian government.
U.S. officials later alleged that Bank Melli had been used to obtain sensitive materials for Iran’s nuclear program. U.S. authorities also alleged that the bank had been used between 2002 and 2006 to funnel money to a unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that has sponsored terrorist attacks — a period that overlapped with the time the bank rented office space from Trump.
The Trump Organization’s dealings with the Iranian bank shed more light on Trump’s wide-ranging business interests, which sometimes stand at odds with his blunt declarations on the campaign trail. Trump has denounced Iran as a “big enemy,” blasted Hillary Clinton for not taking a harder line against the Iranian regime and charged that donations from foreign governments to the Clinton Foundation amounted to evidence of corruption. His five-year stint as Bank Melli’s landlord provides an example of the Trump Organization itself doing business with a government hostile to the United States.
“It’s a pretty hypocritical position to take,” said Richard Nephew, who served from 2013 to 2015 as principal deputy coordinator of sanctions policy at the U.S. State Department and spent nearly a decade working on Iran sanctions in the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. “It suggests that his principles are pretty flexible when it comes to him getting paid.”
Source What I'm not seeing in that article is the prohibition on Bank Melli doing business, or having any presence, in the US while it was Trump's tenant. Keep flinging that poo! Some of it is bound to stick eventually.
Let's imagine that Obama did this. What would your reaction be?
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The sources life is in danger.A very good reason.Hardly comparable to the stuff Trump is talking about.
But if you followed the link there is proof that the meeting discussing wikileaks took place in November as stated in the text.
Subject of the memo was "Possible legal and non-legal strategies re : wikileaks" (What were the "Non-legal" strategies?)
![[image loading]](http://i0.wp.com/truepundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/shortccc.jpg?resize=768%2C647)
Everything points to this being real.
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On October 03 2016 22:45 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 22:41 xDaunt wrote:On October 03 2016 22:30 ticklishmusic wrote:Assange has Putin's hand so far up his ass that Putin's moving his mouth for him. It's not even political gain really, it's self aggrandizement. Meanwhile, another wheel falls off the Trump train. The Iran deal was very bad! The Donald could have gotten a better one, after all he's worked with the Iranians before... Trump’s organization did business with Iranian bank later linked to terrorism
Donald Trump’s real estate organization rented New York office space from 1998 to 2003 to an Iranian bank that U.S. authorities have linked to terrorist groups and Iran’s nuclear program.
Trump inherited Bank Melli, one of Iran’s largest state-controlled banks, as a tenant when he purchased the General Motors Building on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, according to public records reviewed by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and the Center for Public Integrity. The Trump Organization kept the bank on as a tenant for four more years after the U.S. Treasury Department designated Bank Melli in 1999 as being controlled by the Iranian government.
U.S. officials later alleged that Bank Melli had been used to obtain sensitive materials for Iran’s nuclear program. U.S. authorities also alleged that the bank had been used between 2002 and 2006 to funnel money to a unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that has sponsored terrorist attacks — a period that overlapped with the time the bank rented office space from Trump.
The Trump Organization’s dealings with the Iranian bank shed more light on Trump’s wide-ranging business interests, which sometimes stand at odds with his blunt declarations on the campaign trail. Trump has denounced Iran as a “big enemy,” blasted Hillary Clinton for not taking a harder line against the Iranian regime and charged that donations from foreign governments to the Clinton Foundation amounted to evidence of corruption. His five-year stint as Bank Melli’s landlord provides an example of the Trump Organization itself doing business with a government hostile to the United States.
“It’s a pretty hypocritical position to take,” said Richard Nephew, who served from 2013 to 2015 as principal deputy coordinator of sanctions policy at the U.S. State Department and spent nearly a decade working on Iran sanctions in the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. “It suggests that his principles are pretty flexible when it comes to him getting paid.”
Source What I'm not seeing in that article is the prohibition on Bank Melli doing business, or having any presence, in the US while it was Trump's tenant. Keep flinging that poo! Some of it is bound to stick eventually. Let's imagine that Obama did this. What would your reaction be?
I'd probably read more into it given Obama's obsession with capitulating to Iran.
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On October 03 2016 22:49 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:The sources life is in danger.A very good reason.Hardly comparable to the stuff Trump is talking about. But if you followed the link there is proof that the meeting discussing wikileaks took place in November as stated in the text. Subject of the memo was "Possible legal and non-legal strategies re : wikileaks" (What were the "Non-legal" strategies?) Everything points to this being real.
No. Everything points to a meeting taking place. There is quite a difference.
But lets face it, we all know that the US would drone the hell out of Assange if they could get away with it. I don't think that's a good thing, btw. I also don't think it's a good thing that drone strikes are used to play executioner without a trial on other targets. In fact, in terms of foreign policy, the US drone policy is downright atrocious. But lets not act all indignant that the US would drone a white man in a white country, when it's standard fare to drone brown people.
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On October 03 2016 22:24 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 22:18 Trainrunnef wrote:On October 03 2016 22:12 Acrofales wrote:On October 03 2016 22:06 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 03 2016 21:29 GoTuNk! wrote:
Can't you simply condemn this categorically evil organization? Or you feel the need to put the blame on something else, like the CIA? Look at this Afghanistan chart.The massive drop in 2001 is when the taliban banned opium production. Current production is around 40 times higher than 2001. If you wanted to win the war on drugs wouldn't it make sense to cut supply at the source? Especially if you've invaded said country that produces 97% of the worlds crop? What? You realize Afghanistan and Colombia have absolutely nothing to do with each other, right?! Also, cocaine (EDIT: and its derivatives) is not opium in case that was also being conflated. Any comments from Plansix or kwizach on the latest wikileaks post? This is most likely why Assange cancelled his planned London balcony announcement instead now preferring to go with the video feed option.
If you genuinely believe that Clinton actually considered using a drone strike against Assange, I have a bridge to sell you. Also: great source. It's not like it's a conspiracy theory websi... oh.
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On October 03 2016 22:49 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:The sources life is in danger.A very good reason.Hardly comparable to the stuff Trump is talking about. But if you followed the link there is proof that the meeting discussing wikileaks took place in November as stated in the text. Subject of the memo was "Possible legal and non-legal strategies re : wikileaks" (What were the "Non-legal" strategies?) Everything points to this being real.
What I find believable: Hillary saying that
What I don't find believable: someone in that room that could quote her on it gave this exclusive information to small time alt-right blogger True Pundit, rather than this fellow inferring the whole thing from that email
Also you seem to be suggesting that non-legal is the same as outside the law. Non-legal strategies means any strategy that doesn't involve dragging wikileaks through courts, which could include something illegal but not necessarily so.
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ye when I see that wikileaks quote, I basically think (in this order)
1: That's fucking awful
2: I've seen wikileaks tweets before that when I fact-checked them, did not hold up to scrutiny at all. So they can't really be trusted.
3: But maybe this is real. But maybe it's taken out of context? A rare example of a Hillary-Joke? (And I said during the whole 'maybe the second amendment people can take care of that' debacle that I'd be totally fine with Trump making that joke in a private setting- it's the publicity of it that makes it dangerous)
and then 4:
Even if this is completely real, there's no context, no element of joke, that she was seriously advocating that Assange should be unlawfully executed..Then I still consider her preferable to Trump in virtually every single way.
Sadly, I find it very likely that when Trump supporters are confronted with Trump statements they find awful, their mind basically goes through the same checklist. I really hope our separate realities can merge together again after the election..
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Is this wiki leaks big reveal? If so lol...
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On October 03 2016 18:49 Broetchenholer wrote:
That's right, but you do realize that the pages she uses, the facebook stories she reads, they are there and they have millions of visitors. She is probably one in thousands regarding how severe her delusions are, but there are still millions of Americans that believe Obama is a muslim African. That alone is worrying.
Not if the dank memes I see are anything to go by. 'Zyklon' Ben Garrison, for example, always draws Michelle with a package. Michelle being trans is there with birtherism.
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On October 03 2016 20:37 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 14:30 xDaunt wrote:On October 03 2016 12:22 Nyxisto wrote:
Also genuine question, why do these people act like America constantly owes them something given that they feel nothing but contempt for everybody who isn't living in 'real America'? You're talking about a group of people -- a large group -- who have been maligned and marginalized in pretty much every way imaginable: economically, culturally, and religiously. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that this group is now lashing out. Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 15:00 xDaunt wrote:On October 03 2016 14:43 Nyxisto wrote:On October 03 2016 14:30 xDaunt wrote:On October 03 2016 12:22 Nyxisto wrote:
Also genuine question, why do these people act like America constantly owes them something given that they feel nothing but contempt for everybody who isn't living in 'real America'? You're talking about a group of people -- a large group -- who have been maligned and marginalized in pretty much every way imaginable: economically, culturally, and religiously. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that this group is now lashing out. Imagine every group in America that has had it hard would lash out like this. You'd live in a permanent riot. And these people are 'only' facing economic hardship, much of it due to how they've run their states and communities themselves. And they've still got a black guy in the white house who gives a fuck about them although they don't even acknowledge that he's American. I don't think that's reasonable at all. Yeah, you clearly don't understand the magnitude of the problem at all. man I had to doublecheck context and name to make sure it's not GH.
Nope, is white people troubles.
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On October 03 2016 22:50 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 22:45 ticklishmusic wrote:On October 03 2016 22:41 xDaunt wrote:On October 03 2016 22:30 ticklishmusic wrote:Assange has Putin's hand so far up his ass that Putin's moving his mouth for him. It's not even political gain really, it's self aggrandizement. Meanwhile, another wheel falls off the Trump train. The Iran deal was very bad! The Donald could have gotten a better one, after all he's worked with the Iranians before... Trump’s organization did business with Iranian bank later linked to terrorism
Donald Trump’s real estate organization rented New York office space from 1998 to 2003 to an Iranian bank that U.S. authorities have linked to terrorist groups and Iran’s nuclear program.
Trump inherited Bank Melli, one of Iran’s largest state-controlled banks, as a tenant when he purchased the General Motors Building on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, according to public records reviewed by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and the Center for Public Integrity. The Trump Organization kept the bank on as a tenant for four more years after the U.S. Treasury Department designated Bank Melli in 1999 as being controlled by the Iranian government.
U.S. officials later alleged that Bank Melli had been used to obtain sensitive materials for Iran’s nuclear program. U.S. authorities also alleged that the bank had been used between 2002 and 2006 to funnel money to a unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that has sponsored terrorist attacks — a period that overlapped with the time the bank rented office space from Trump.
The Trump Organization’s dealings with the Iranian bank shed more light on Trump’s wide-ranging business interests, which sometimes stand at odds with his blunt declarations on the campaign trail. Trump has denounced Iran as a “big enemy,” blasted Hillary Clinton for not taking a harder line against the Iranian regime and charged that donations from foreign governments to the Clinton Foundation amounted to evidence of corruption. His five-year stint as Bank Melli’s landlord provides an example of the Trump Organization itself doing business with a government hostile to the United States.
“It’s a pretty hypocritical position to take,” said Richard Nephew, who served from 2013 to 2015 as principal deputy coordinator of sanctions policy at the U.S. State Department and spent nearly a decade working on Iran sanctions in the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. “It suggests that his principles are pretty flexible when it comes to him getting paid.”
Source What I'm not seeing in that article is the prohibition on Bank Melli doing business, or having any presence, in the US while it was Trump's tenant. Keep flinging that poo! Some of it is bound to stick eventually. Let's imagine that Obama did this. What would your reaction be? I'd probably read more into it given Obama's obsession with capitulating to Iran.
Are we still doubling down on this delusion that the Iran deal was bad?
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In his years as a reality TV boss on "The Apprentice," Donald Trump repeatedly demeaned women with sexist language, according to show insiders who said he rated female contestants by the size of their breasts and talked about which ones he'd like to have sex with.
The Associated Press interviewed more than 20 people — former crew members, editors and contestants — who described crass behavior by Trump behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.
The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Trump's behavior toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign. Interviewed separately, they gave concurring accounts of inappropriate conduct on the set.
Eight former crew members recalled that he repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka.
Yahoo
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