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On October 02 2016 21:09 BallinWitStalin wrote:
Here's what gets me about the partisanship issue: Donald trump, because he doesn't stand for anything at all and has no coherent ideological belief systems, could easily have run as a democrat (didn't he even identify as a democrat in the 90s and early 2000s?).
If Donald Trump was the democratic candidate, you better fucking believe I would be voting for mitt Romney or John McCain. I might not vote for a Ted Cruz, but I sure as hell would be going third party. If the candidate was even remotely competent, I would absolutely be voting for the party presenting a reasonable candidate, even if I would normally "identify" as a democrat.
Yeah I'd vote for Cruz, with a clothespin on my nose, against Trump. I'd be unhappy about it, but mind you I'm not thrilled about Hillary, though she's a far sight better than Cruz. Honestly, I'd vote for literally anyone who ran for president this year, R, D, L, or G, over Trump. Quite a few of them would suck, but none were actual neo-fascists.
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Cheney says that he'll vote for Trump, that'll change some minds, right? 
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On October 02 2016 23:48 farvacola wrote:Cheney says that he'll vote for Trump, that'll change some minds, right?
Not sure if I care what Cheney thinks, at all.
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On October 02 2016 14:50 LegalLord wrote:
By the way, for those who were paying more attention than I was, what moments in the debate did Trump seem to be triggered? I saw two - "maybe you're not as rich as you say" and "Miss Piggy" - but I was watching very intermittently (and mostly audio) so I'm sure I missed quite a few more.
The first moment he seemed to be especially triggered was when she said that he wasn't a self made business man because he got a 14$ million loan from his father to start out. Lot of people in the press were saying that was the moment the debate appeared to turn
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On October 02 2016 18:47 Broetchenholer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2016 16:07 NukeD wrote:On October 02 2016 12:22 Sermokala wrote:On October 02 2016 09:26 LegalLord wrote:On October 02 2016 03:27 Sermokala wrote:
Calling the prevention of a large scale genocide in yugoslavia as an imperialist action is pretty stupid. Europe didn't want to get their hands dirty in the most obvious post cold war problem they could solve so America had to stop the war before it really kicked off.
The rest of that I pretty much agree with, nato has become a way for the us to cover for europes lack of military in exchange for increased Us influence on the world. As much as euroes like to parrot around about being free from US influence they only have a choice between the US and Russia. One will cut off their natural gas in the middle of winter and watch your people freeze to death while blaming you for it. Yugoslavia was a mess of a country whose demise was quite likely. As with quite a few Eastern European countries, there was quite a bit of ethnic strife that made it quite hard to exist as a single country. Part of the reason the USSR even had such a substantial security apparatus was that there were quite a few conflicts within an unstable part of the world (though that apparatus did have a number of key weaknesses of note since it was established in a less sane and more paranoid environment). However, it is also true that NATO, in Yugoslavia as in multiple other countries in their operating zones, pushed to escalate those conflicts into civil war and to end those civil wars on terms more favorable to parties that were pro-Western. Yugoslavia was a special case simply because of when it happened - in the decade after the collapse of the USSR, when Russia really did not have the ability to oppose this intervention. It has moderate geopolitical importance due to its location, but more importantly the intervention there was a diplomatically aggressive move that destroyed any hopes of a genuine reset with Russia and led to a very neocon-esque approach to American FP. Rather imperialist. You're ignoreing the very real genocide happening along not even just religious lines. the USSR was incapable of acting outside of its borders as it was collapsing from the inside. Europe tried to "intervene" and got PTSD from WW1. That left the USA as the only one capable in the world of stopping a massive civil war in the middle of europe from spiralling out of control and very possibly starting WW3. The USSR was able to keep civil unrest from happening in eastern europe by keeping a powerful army ready to slaughter any resistance to communist rule. When this was removed the balkans did what the balkans have been doing for hundreds of years and went to war with eachother. Why the fuck Russia would oppose the intervention? At the very least we saved them from a black eye FP wise that would have lasted for centuries and at the best we gave them a semblance of slavic brotherhood with serbia and greece to counter our croatian-albaian-turkic allies. Anyone who says the Balkans has moderate Geopolitical importance due to its location has never read European history, or looked at a map. Will someone please enlighten me what was the US intervention that ended the war? They did stop the genocide at Kosovo a few years after Serbia basically capitulated. During the war itself from 1991-1995 we had some NATO troops here which were notorious for not doing anything as they were ordered not to intervene so as far as I know the main part of the war went on without US or European intervention. There is also truth to LegalLord's claims how the US had its fingers in breaking up Yugoslavia. Nato started "Operation something" after a massacre of bosnian people by serbian troops, effectively bombing and shelling serbian troops for about a month, long enough for the ground forces of Bosnia and Croatian partisans to break the siege. NATO did nothing for 3 years because they were too scared, Blue Helmet troops were nothing but cover for the different parties and couldn't stop anything. So, yes, you are true. And of course in cold war times USA or maybe even Nato tried to find ways to hurt the communist block. But that does not mean the war that nato almost did not fight was imperialistic. I can't tell what would have happened if Yugoslavia had been completely isolated before and after the break up of the UDSSR, but i bet it wouldn't have been pretty as well.
As the saying goes, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. Often the delineation is made along lines of political/imperial expediency.
Not that that is particularly morally wrong or unusual, it's just representative of how nations frame their FP to their citizenry. In this case though, it was a telling shift in the purpose of NATO towards a neoconservative political alignment and away from the possibility of genuine reconciliation rather than unstable peace with Russia.
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I think these tax returns are one of Trump's children's attempt to euthanize the campaign.
Reading the transcripts of his recent rallies, he's completely losing his mind. Talking about bleach and movies and dates and all this utterly weird, completely unrelated stuff. Then toss in the fact that he's accusing Hilary of not being loyal. Wtf.
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So apparently, some hackers illegally broke into private accounts and leaked some audio that shows that Hillary Clinton actually might just understand the plight of the anti-establishment and disenfranchised millennial citizen? Because based on this transcript, she clearly understands things 
" "Some are new to politics completely. They’re children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents’ basement," she said. "They feel they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they don’t see much of a future."
Clinton added: "If you’re feeling like you’re consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesn’t pay a lot, and doesn’t have some other ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing." "
~ http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-supporters-audio-leak-228997
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On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: Show nested quote +BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NN3ARcc.jpg) The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/
When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist.
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On October 03 2016 01:31 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/ When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist.
I'm impressed at the amount of shit that they're throwing at the wall. The quantity has far surpassed my expectations.
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On October 03 2016 01:31 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/ When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist.
What do you mean when all else fails? He was incredibly successful in tanking his campaign this week, with or without that story which is the first I'm hearing of
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On October 03 2016 01:35 Dan HH wrote:
What do you mean when all else fails? He was incredibly successful in tanking his campaign this week, with or without that story which is the first I'm hearing of
Yeah I'm not sure where the need to take these strange lines of attack is coming from when Trump has done a good job of shooting himself in the foot already.
The strategy of "hand him the gun and let him shoot himself" seems to be far more effective than these odd attempts at a more aggressive attack on his character.
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On October 03 2016 01:37 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 01:35 Dan HH wrote:
What do you mean when all else fails? He was incredibly successful in tanking his campaign this week, with or without that story which is the first I'm hearing of Yeah I'm not sure where the need to take these strange lines of attack is coming from when Trump has done a good job of shooting himself in the foot already. The strategy of "hand him the gun and let him shoot himself" seems to be far more effective than these odd attempts at a more aggressive attack on his character.
These bizarre Twitter rants do a lot more to damage Trump's character than the obviously biased "Trump is the devil himself" muckraking going on here.
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On October 02 2016 14:54 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2016 08:04 Nyxisto wrote:On October 02 2016 07:00 IgnE wrote:On October 02 2016 04:41 zlefin wrote:On October 02 2016 03:19 IgnE wrote:On October 02 2016 03:05 zlefin wrote:On October 02 2016 02:55 IgnE wrote:On October 01 2016 08:06 zlefin wrote:On October 01 2016 07:59 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 07:49 zlefin wrote:
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you are saying Clinton is sociopathic, correct?
and if so, what do you mean by that? are you using the clinical definition of sociopathy, or some other? It is pretty apparent to me the way she speaks. No emotion, everything is forced or faked. She isn't actually a person, just pretending to be one all the time. The reason bernie or trump energize their base to a large extent is because they actually believe in something. That is my overall impression of her. Then you add in the email scandal, benghazi, making 150 million from producing absolutely nothing. Her responses are well calculated, and she is able to lie without flinching. My assessment of her is that she doesn't give a shit about other people, but is extremely power hungry to go down in history as the first woman president. That is her primary objective, everything else is secondary. If I had to guess her meyer's briggs it would probably be an INTJ/INTP. She is a robot pretending to be a person. aren't a lot of politicians intj/intp? There's a difference between low emotion and sociopathy. and the other things you cite don't really add up to a claim of sociopathy. of course a lot of leaders tend to score high on sociopathy tests anyways. and why isn't Trump a sociopath? and again, what definition of sociopath are you using? and why would sociopathy be more disqualifying than other disorders, given its prevalence, and evident usefulness in high level positions? whoa dude are you defending sociopathy tout court as societally useful especially among our leaders? how come everyone in this thread cares more about biologymajor's deficient understanding of human beings than this radical suggestion? I think you have a typo in your first paragraph, or something which autocorrected wrong, which makes me unable to tell what your statement is so I can respond to it. the part where you say "tout court" nah its not a typo, maybe i should have italicized it. b. tout court /tu kur/ , in short, in little, simply, without qualification or addition. 1747 H. Walpole Let. 26 June in Corr. (1955) XIX. 420 My eagle is arrived—my eagle tout court, for I hear nothing of the pedestal. 1888 R. Kipling Wee Willie Winkie 38 Judy was officially ‘Miss Judy’; but Black Sheep was never anything but Black Sheep tout court. 1928 C. Dawson Age of Gods xii. 262 There are grave objections to the identification tout court of the Nordic race with the Indo-European stock. 1958 Oxf. Mag. 15 May 435/1 Hove, instead of asking for Psychology tout court, has a course by a Harley Street psychiatrist. 1981 J. Sutherland Bestsellers xxiv. 240 Len Deighton's..history tout court of the Second World War (Bomber and Fighter). http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/203980?redirectedFrom=tout court#eid163706549 hmm, never seen that one before. In that case, the short answer is yes. a longer answer would get into things like "to an extent", elaborations and limitations and uncertainties. why would you want a sociopath as a political leader when politics is an essentially human endeavor with irrational premises? Who says that this is what politics is? Lee Kuan Yew turned Singapore from a swamp into a first world nation by treating politics as what you could call 'rational management' how is what he did political?
How isn't it? He approached politics pragmatical and did whatever it took to better the material conditions of the country one day at a time. Why is that not enough?
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On October 03 2016 01:31 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/ When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist.
"When all else fails" is a phrase used only for when other things are failing. Trump is already incredibly guilty in plenty of other scandals. I would recommend replacing "When all else fails-" with "And on top of all the other immoral and illegal bullshit that Trump has done, it might be the case that-".
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On October 03 2016 02:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 01:31 oBlade wrote:On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/ When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist. "When all else fails" is a phrase used only for when other things are failing. Trump is already incredibly guilty in plenty of other scandals. I would recommend replacing "When all else fails-" with "And on top of all the other immoral and illegal bullshit that Trump has done, it might be the case that-".
I consider it a "while Trump looks like a fool and people are unlikely to give him the benefit of the doubt, let's see what else we can get to stick as a slight against his character."
2016 is a hell of a year for elections.
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On October 03 2016 01:35 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 01:31 oBlade wrote:On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/ When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist. What do you mean when all else fails? He was incredibly successful in tanking his campaign this week, with or without that story which is the first I'm hearing of
hey its strategic tanking. just like his taxes showed a strategic loss.
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On October 03 2016 02:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 01:31 oBlade wrote:On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/ When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist. "When all else fails" is a phrase used only for when other things are failing. Trump is already incredibly guilty in plenty of other scandals. I would recommend replacing "When all else fails-" with "And on top of all the other immoral and illegal bullshit that Trump has done, it might be the case that-".
I mean exactly what I said, we've been spammed with the fact that he's a broke, sexist, racist bully for a year but he still manages to be a viable candidate who keeps the polls tight. The reaction is always to just keep heaping more outlandish stuff.
On October 03 2016 02:23 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 01:35 Dan HH wrote:On October 03 2016 01:31 oBlade wrote:On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/ When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist. What do you mean when all else fails? He was incredibly successful in tanking his campaign this week, with or without that story which is the first I'm hearing of hey its strategic tanking. just like his taxes showed a strategic loss.
It's more the accounting that's strategic, not the losses.
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On October 03 2016 02:34 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 02:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 03 2016 01:31 oBlade wrote:On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/ When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist. "When all else fails" is a phrase used only for when other things are failing. Trump is already incredibly guilty in plenty of other scandals. I would recommend replacing "When all else fails-" with "And on top of all the other immoral and illegal bullshit that Trump has done, it might be the case that-". I mean exactly what I said, we've been spammed with the fact that he's a broke, sexist, racist bully for a year but he still manages to be a viable candidate who keeps the polls tight. The reaction is always to just keep heaping more outlandish stuff.
Well, there's on reason to stop telling people he's a broke sexist just because the polls are tight or that's been mentioned in the past. Especially as there are indeed people who are only just tuning into the election.
I mean, "the media has already smeared him" isn't actually a real defense. It doesn't mean anything or refute allegations in any meaningful way.
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On October 03 2016 02:42 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 02:34 oBlade wrote:On October 03 2016 02:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 03 2016 01:31 oBlade wrote:On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/ When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist. "When all else fails" is a phrase used only for when other things are failing. Trump is already incredibly guilty in plenty of other scandals. I would recommend replacing "When all else fails-" with "And on top of all the other immoral and illegal bullshit that Trump has done, it might be the case that-". I mean exactly what I said, we've been spammed with the fact that he's a broke, sexist, racist bully for a year but he still manages to be a viable candidate who keeps the polls tight. The reaction is always to just keep heaping more outlandish stuff. Well, there's on reason to stop telling people he's a broke sexist just because the polls are tight or that's been mentioned in the past. Especially as there are indeed people who are only just tuning into the election. I mean, "the media has already smeared him" isn't actually a real defense. It doesn't mean anything or refute allegations in any meaningful way.
I think the angle that the same politicians grilling him for not paying taxes may be the ones who enabled it. Sums up this election pretty well.
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On October 03 2016 02:42 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 02:34 oBlade wrote:On October 03 2016 02:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 03 2016 01:31 oBlade wrote:On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/ When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist. "When all else fails" is a phrase used only for when other things are failing. Trump is already incredibly guilty in plenty of other scandals. I would recommend replacing "When all else fails-" with "And on top of all the other immoral and illegal bullshit that Trump has done, it might be the case that-". I mean exactly what I said, we've been spammed with the fact that he's a broke, sexist, racist bully for a year but he still manages to be a viable candidate who keeps the polls tight. The reaction is always to just keep heaping more outlandish stuff. Well, there's on reason to stop telling people he's a broke sexist just because the polls are tight or that's been mentioned in the past. Especially as there are indeed people who are only just tuning into the election. I mean, "the media has already smeared him" isn't actually a real defense. It doesn't mean anything or refute allegations in any meaningful way.
Some people are suggesting he had this man killed back in the period when his casinos and airline were losing tons of money. Especially with his established mob ties, who knows? Anything's possible:
Kashiwagi regularly played baccarat for large sums, betting 100,000 or 200,000 dollars a hand, for hours at a time. He later got into a legal wrangle with Donald Trump's Atlantic City casino in 1990 over a deal in which Kashiwagi was to bet $12 million. Kashiwagi left the casino with two million dollars in chips, having lost ten million. He claimed the casino had failed to hold up its end of the deal.
On January 3, 1992, Kashiwagi was killed, stabbed as many as 150 times with a samurai sword. His body was discovered in his home in Japan near Mount Fuji. At the time of his death, Kashiwagi still had casino debts in the millions of dollars. The murder was never solved.
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