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Just sent in my ballot-by-mail today.
First time voting. Feels good man. I encourage you all to vote.
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On October 03 2016 03:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Just sent in my ballot-by-mail today.
First time voting. Feels good man. I encourage you all to vote.
Unless you're in a state that goes out of it's way to make it harder for you to vote or isn't meeting their obligations. In which case, just keep praying your democracy includes you.
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Scott Walker has been a real boon to that state.
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On October 03 2016 01:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:So apparently, some hackers illegally broke into private accounts and leaked some audio that shows that Hillary Clinton actually might just understand the plight of the anti-establishment and disenfranchised millennial citizen? Because based on this transcript, she clearly understands things  " "Some are new to politics completely. They’re children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents’ basement," she said. "They feel they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they don’t see much of a future." Clinton added: "If you’re feeling like you’re consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesn’t pay a lot, and doesn’t have some other ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing." " ~ http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-supporters-audio-leak-228997
I sure would expect a presidential candidate to be able to do such basic analysis, especially when it's already been done by plenty of analysts.
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Donald Trump's top surrogates on Sunday tried to spin a report suggesting the GOP presidential nominee could have avoided paying federal taxes for almost two decades as evidence why he would be the best candidate to overhaul the tax system.
"There's no one who's shown more genius in their way to maneuver around the tax code," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said in an interview on "Fox News Sunday."
Trump's campaign was playing defense after a New York Times story on Saturday revealed that Trump reported a $916 million loss on his 1995 income tax returns, allowing him to avoid paying federal income taxes for as long as 18 years. Trump has refused to release his tax returns.
"The headline should have been, 'Donald Trump takes advantage of legal provisions in tax code,'" former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani said on CNN's "State of the Union."
Christie, who is running Trump's presidential transition, said the story showed "what an absolute mess the federal tax code is, and that's why Donald Trump is the person best positioned to fix it."
"This is a perfectly legal application of the tax code," Giuliani said on ABC's "This Week." "And he would’ve been a fool not to take advantage of it. Not only that, he would’ve probably breached his fiduciary duty to his investors, to his business."
Source
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On October 03 2016 03:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Donald Trump's top surrogates on Sunday tried to spin a report suggesting the GOP presidential nominee could have avoided paying federal taxes for almost two decades as evidence why he would be the best candidate to overhaul the tax system.
"There's no one who's shown more genius in their way to maneuver around the tax code," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said in an interview on "Fox News Sunday."
Trump's campaign was playing defense after a New York Times story on Saturday revealed that Trump reported a $916 million loss on his 1995 income tax returns, allowing him to avoid paying federal income taxes for as long as 18 years. Trump has refused to release his tax returns.
"The headline should have been, 'Donald Trump takes advantage of legal provisions in tax code,'" former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani said on CNN's "State of the Union."
Christie, who is running Trump's presidential transition, said the story showed "what an absolute mess the federal tax code is, and that's why Donald Trump is the person best positioned to fix it."
"This is a perfectly legal application of the tax code," Giuliani said on ABC's "This Week." "And he would’ve been a fool not to take advantage of it. Not only that, he would’ve probably breached his fiduciary duty to his investors, to his business." Source
Surely that means we should vote for Trump's accountant, and not Trump himself...
And I'm pretty sure his accountant would make a better president.
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There has been precedent for benefactors of a corrupt system to use their thorough knowledge of the system to implement reforms that actually work. Whether or not Trump is one of those, is another matter entirely.
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On October 03 2016 03:45 LegalLord wrote:
There has been precedent for benefactors of a corrupt system to use their thorough knowledge of the system to implement reforms that actually work. Whether or not Trump is one of those, is another matter entirely.
So we're back to the same dichotomy that's defined the choice between Trump and Clinton: Trump is more likely to fix the broken system OR to break it further, while Clinton is more likely to do nothing and preserve a shitty status quo.
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On October 03 2016 02:34 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 02:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 03 2016 01:31 oBlade wrote:On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NN3ARcc.jpg) The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/ When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist. "When all else fails" is a phrase used only for when other things are failing. Trump is already incredibly guilty in plenty of other scandals. I would recommend replacing "When all else fails-" with "And on top of all the other immoral and illegal bullshit that Trump has done, it might be the case that-". I mean exactly what I said, we've been spammed with the fact that he's a broke, sexist, racist bully for a year but he still manages to be a viable candidate who keeps the polls tight. The reaction is always to just keep heaping more outlandish stuff.
I'm told he's only a viable candidate because the voting population is too dumb to evaluate Trump's scandals as worse than Clinton's, and too misanthropic to care about his hate. It's a very tight philosophy: It shouldn't be so close because he's so evil, but it is so close because his voters are so despicable.
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There is precedent for them being used as consultants to provide expertise attacking the problem from the other side. There isn't a precedent for putting them in charge. You get a burglar and ask them how they'd break into a house. You don't give the burglar the house and say "good luck". You keep someone in charge who actually wants to fix the problem and simply consult with the guy who is the problem.
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On October 03 2016 04:01 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 02:34 oBlade wrote:On October 03 2016 02:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 03 2016 01:31 oBlade wrote:On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/ When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist. "When all else fails" is a phrase used only for when other things are failing. Trump is already incredibly guilty in plenty of other scandals. I would recommend replacing "When all else fails-" with "And on top of all the other immoral and illegal bullshit that Trump has done, it might be the case that-". I mean exactly what I said, we've been spammed with the fact that he's a broke, sexist, racist bully for a year but he still manages to be a viable candidate who keeps the polls tight. The reaction is always to just keep heaping more outlandish stuff. I'm told he's only a viable candidate because the voting population is too dumb to evaluate Trump's scandals as worse than Clinton's, and too misanthropic to care about his hate. It's a very tight philosophy: It shouldn't be so close because he's so evil, but it is so close because his voters are so despicable.
This is actually the case. Trump's shittiness as a candidate only works because of the shittiness of the voter base he's appealing to.
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On October 03 2016 03:45 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 03:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Donald Trump's top surrogates on Sunday tried to spin a report suggesting the GOP presidential nominee could have avoided paying federal taxes for almost two decades as evidence why he would be the best candidate to overhaul the tax system.
"There's no one who's shown more genius in their way to maneuver around the tax code," New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said in an interview on "Fox News Sunday."
Trump's campaign was playing defense after a New York Times story on Saturday revealed that Trump reported a $916 million loss on his 1995 income tax returns, allowing him to avoid paying federal income taxes for as long as 18 years. Trump has refused to release his tax returns.
"The headline should have been, 'Donald Trump takes advantage of legal provisions in tax code,'" former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani said on CNN's "State of the Union."
Christie, who is running Trump's presidential transition, said the story showed "what an absolute mess the federal tax code is, and that's why Donald Trump is the person best positioned to fix it."
"This is a perfectly legal application of the tax code," Giuliani said on ABC's "This Week." "And he would’ve been a fool not to take advantage of it. Not only that, he would’ve probably breached his fiduciary duty to his investors, to his business." Source Surely that means we should vote for Trump's accountant, and not Trump himself... And I'm pretty sure his accountant would make a better president.
Carrying forward a loss isn't a tax move that people don't know
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On October 03 2016 04:01 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 02:34 oBlade wrote:On October 03 2016 02:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 03 2016 01:31 oBlade wrote:On October 02 2016 22:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:From firsthand accounts of Trump's models and financial and immigration records... Trump may very well be a human trafficker: BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
A United States senator just sent the Department of Homeland Security a letter asking for the immediate investigation of Donald Trump’s modeling agency after an August 30th publication by media outlet, Mother Jones, in which Trump’s company was accused of trafficking illegal immigrants willing to work as models. The investigation by Mother Jones uncovered countless cases of Trump ignoring immigration laws by employing illegal immigrants to work for Donald Trump’s Model Management. Mother Jones reported that: “Trump Model Management, has profited from using foreign models who came to the United States on tourist visas that did not permit them to work here, according to three former Trump models, all noncitizens, who shared their stories with Mother Jones. Financialand immigration records included in a recent lawsuit filed by a fourth former Trump model show that she, too, worked for Trump’s agency in the United States without a proper visa.” By law, people visiting the United States from a foreign land are not allowed to attain employment via an American company. Trump, however, is known for not only hiring illegals, but hiring them for the specific reason of not having to follow US labor laws. Models hired by Donald Trump’s Model Management have come out against the mogul, saying they were barely able to making ends meet after paying the high cost of rent and fees bestowed on them by the company. Trump profited $2 million dollars in the 17 years the company has been in existence. In response to the investigation, senator Barbara Boxer sent the following letter to US Citizenship and Immigration’s Leon Rodriguez: The openly anti-immigrant candidate is being accused of “illegally importing” women to work as models in his agency, and while this makes him look like a giant fool, it could also hold legal ramifications that would leave Trump paying a hefty fine, and possibly even serving jail time for human trafficking. Along with her letter, Boxer also tweeted out: Trump: tough on illegal immigration unless he’s importing foreign models to exploit. https://t.co/eahs6srlDE— Barbara Boxer (@BarbaraBoxer) August 31, 2016 This isn’t the first time that Trump has been accused of shipping immigrants in with the sole intention of exploiting them for near slave wages. One woman, in particular, was set to be on Trump’s cancelled MTV show “Girls of Hedsor Hall.” Earlier this summer, she spoke out against Trump, saying that he brought her here for no reason other than to be able to pay her less than minimum wage. Unfortunately for Republicans, they didn’t know the anti-immigrant Republican they nominated to lead their party was nothing more than a phony, showboating, trafficker of women. Despite the illusions Trump has cast out about his strict immigration policies, his past has proven to be far more telling than his mouth. http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/ When all else fails, the guy you don't like is a human trafficking child rapist. "When all else fails" is a phrase used only for when other things are failing. Trump is already incredibly guilty in plenty of other scandals. I would recommend replacing "When all else fails-" with "And on top of all the other immoral and illegal bullshit that Trump has done, it might be the case that-". I mean exactly what I said, we've been spammed with the fact that he's a broke, sexist, racist bully for a year but he still manages to be a viable candidate who keeps the polls tight. The reaction is always to just keep heaping more outlandish stuff. I'm told he's only a viable candidate because the voting population is too dumb to evaluate Trump's scandals as worse than Clinton's, and too misanthropic to care about his hate. It's a very tight philosophy: It shouldn't be so close because he's so evil, but it is so close because his voters are so despicable.
Well yes civilisation is a mile wide and an inch deep. Trump simply managed to agitate the part of the population that you'd not want to politicise in the first place
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If you want to claim that it takes a tax cheat to fix tax cheating, then you need to show how Trump's tax plan would result in him having a positive tax liability. Until then, he is just a cheat without a plan.
At this point, it looks like Trump has been cheating for years and claiming losses that he had other people take haircuts on. The IRS has been auditing him on a yearly basis for a reason.
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On October 03 2016 04:09 JW_DTLA wrote:
If you want to claim that it takes a tax cheat to fix tax cheating, then you need to show how Trump's tax plan would result in him having a positive tax liability. Until then, he is just a cheat without a plan.
At this point, it looks like Trump has been cheating for years and claiming losses that he had other people take haircuts on. The IRS has been auditing him on a yearly basis for a reason.
He has a plan. He's going to remove the estate tax. An old billionaire with a family business and fortune to pass onto his kids wants to remove the estate tax. Because he wants to make tax fairer and fix loopholes apparently. Nobody can argue with a straight face that Trump is trying to fix the tax code for anyone but himself.
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On October 03 2016 04:09 JW_DTLA wrote:
If you want to claim that it takes a tax cheat to fix tax cheating, then you need to show how Trump's tax plan would result in him having a positive tax liability. Until then, he is just a cheat without a plan.
At this point, it looks like Trump has been cheating for years and claiming losses that he had other people take haircuts on. The IRS has been auditing him on a yearly basis for a reason.
Even the NYT title says avoided. Learn the difference between tax evasion and avoidance. I've sold some stock this year at a loss and I'm going to use it to offset the capital gain in my tax return. Not cheating in any way whatsoever.
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On October 03 2016 04:09 JW_DTLA wrote:
If you want to claim that it takes a tax cheat to fix tax cheating, then you need to show how Trump's tax plan would result in him having a positive tax liability. Until then, he is just a cheat without a plan.
At this point, it looks like Trump has been cheating for years and claiming losses that he had other people take haircuts on. The IRS has been auditing him on a yearly basis for a reason.
It may be cheating in an existential way like it's not fair for a billionaire to pay no income taxes, but he would have been Caponed if it weren't legit.
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The survey, from Research & Polling Inc. for the Albuquerque Journal, showed a competitive three-way matchup, with Clinton at 35 percent, Trump at 31 percent, and former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson at 24 percent.
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inb4 New Mexico goes to 3rd Party
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NM resident here. I don't know a single person voting Johnson. Although I don't know a single person voting Trump either so my demographic is probably unusual.
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