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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 27 2016 12:12 plasmidghost wrote: One thing that seriously bothers me about Clinton is her support of banning weapons sales to people on a terror watch list. It sounds good, but is pretty awful. While I agree on gun restrictions in some ways, you should not and cannot deprive an American citizen of their constitutional rights without due process, especially since the terror watch list has little to no transparency they won't be banning them without due process. IF they put in that law, there will be some sort of due process/appeals system. otherwise everyone knows it'd get instabanned by the courts. part of the reason some gov't orgs dislike such a law is that it makes their determinations more subject to judicial review. whereas if gov't simply has a watch list and doesn't use it to actively deny you anything, you can't challenge their determination. | ||
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Yoav
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Monochromatic
United States1000 Posts
The most conservative said that the debate was awful, and was disappointed that Trump didn't push harder past the beginning. Blamed biased questions. A super libertarian though Trump barely won, although Clinton was coming back by the end. The third guy though it was "interesting" and neither candidate won. | ||
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oBlade
United States6669 Posts
On September 27 2016 12:14 zlefin wrote: they won't be banning them without due process. IF they put in that law, there will be some sort of due process/appeals system. otherwise everyone knows it'd get instabanned by the courts. That's highly suspect because due process is already going down the drain just with NICS background checks: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160122/no-way-out-feds-stop-processing-nics-denial-appeals | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On September 27 2016 12:14 zlefin wrote: they won't be banning them without due process. IF they put in that law, there will be some sort of due process/appeals system. otherwise everyone knows it'd get instabanned by the courts. part of the reason some gov't orgs dislike such a law is that it makes their determinations more subject to judicial review. whereas if gov't simply has a watch list and doesn't use it to actively deny you anything, you can't challenge their determination. That's what they said about warrantless surveillance, enhanced interrogation, and the no-fly list. Also, Clinton will be nominating two or three SC justices this cycle if she becomes President. Once again, this is an idea so bad the ACLU supported the NRA on condemning this issue. This does not happen often, to say the least. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On September 27 2016 12:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Chris Christie just said fact checkers have an agenda.... well they do have an agenda | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On September 27 2016 12:15 oBlade wrote: That's highly suspect because due process is already going down the drain just with NICS background checks: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160122/no-way-out-feds-stop-processing-nics-denial-appeals I think you're right but I don't think the full plan for the weapon ban was disclosed. If we had a normal debate then we could have heard more details but this is what we have. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 27 2016 12:15 oBlade wrote: That's highly suspect because due process is already going down the drain just with NICS background checks: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160122/no-way-out-feds-stop-processing-nics-denial-appeals you misrepresent what that said; not to mention the NRA's well documented biases. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On September 27 2016 12:19 zlefin wrote: you misrepresent what that said; not to mention the NRA's well documented biases. Does the ACLU have these biases you hate? Because they're backing up the NRA on this issue. | ||
Netscape9
United States139 Posts
On September 27 2016 11:39 TheTenthDoc wrote: I can't imagine how much more of a clusterfuck it would have been Johnson would have actually talked policy while the other two acted like children. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
what we need is for court stuff to get processed faster, so the already unconstitutional stuff gets fixed faster. | ||
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oBlade
United States6669 Posts
On September 27 2016 12:21 Netscape9 wrote: Johnson would have actually talked policy while the other two acted like children. Gary Johnson announcing his intention to talk policy at the debates: Debate transcript for people who can read: http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/26/everything-said-during-tonights-presidential-debate-between-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton/ | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On September 27 2016 12:19 zlefin wrote: you misrepresent what that said; not to mention the NRA's well documented biases. Please don't defend "no fly, no buy". It's just not worth it. Find better areas for gun control regulations, like subsidizing and requiring background checks for individual/online/gunshow purchases and exchanges. That would legitimately target a gaping hole in our current system of background checks. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 27 2016 12:23 Lord Tolkien wrote: Please don't defend "no fly, no buy". It's just not worth it. Find better areas for gun control regulations, like subsidizing and requiring background checks for individual/online/gunshow purchases and exchanges. I'm not actively defending no fly no buy, i'm debating various points about related legalities. Also, if I were in charge, the no fly list wouldn't have had these issues it has in the first place. And I already have plenty of sound gun plans of various sorts. | ||
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Plansix
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On September 27 2016 12:25 Plansix wrote: Trump just denied he said "that makes me smart" for not paying taxes. Bro, 11 million people just watched you do it. This is the umpteenth time he's denied reality, and he has become exceedingly efficient at it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 27 2016 12:07 Adreme wrote: Oh please let him do this. Please tell me he is going to try and somehow paint Bills affairs as her fault or even anyone's business. I will absolutely love every second of it. He bring it up and then she dives into how he cheated on all of his wives. | ||
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