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On September 20 2016 06:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:19 Mohdoo wrote:Once again, a terrorist turns out to be a complete loser:
Mr. McDermott said that Mr. Rahami’s father sued him, the mayor, the Council and some 20 police officers. Mr. McDermott said that in the lawsuit the elder Mr. Rahimi claimed that he had been discriminated against because of his race and ethnicity.
The mayor said: “It was neighbor complaints; it had nothing to do with his ethnicity or religion. It had to do with noise and people congregating on the streets.”
Mr. McDermott said a fragile truce was reached, whereby the restaurant would close at midnight or 1 a.m.
A few months ago, however, a for-sale sign appeared on the front, according to Mr. McDermott.
I am at least happy to know that he has led a life full of insecurity, anxiety, and general self doubt. source: http://nyti.ms/2ckyeNz I wouldn’t really be happy about that. It is likely the reason he was able to be turned. There is so much in common with terrorist recruiting and the way the espionage is conducted. He is the exact person they would target, unstable family life, feels separated from the community and so on. This is while the whole ban on Muslims thing is so irritating, since it would have done NOTHING in this case.
I know its likely a big reason he was able to be turned, but I also know that not every person who gets turned has a shitty life. Weren't the guys who blew up the Boston race basically privileged edgelords? IIRC, it is not uncommon for educated 2nd generation immigrant muslims to get salty as well. I'm simply pointing out that I am glad someone who did something shitty, only did so after a life of misery and uncertainty. Since nothing can change what happened, I at least smile knowing he was a generally very sad person.
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On September 20 2016 06:23 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 06:19 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:
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Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election.
He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking.
He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. And why do we give a shit if an autocrat like Putin likes Trump? Because Russian people are good people (I've lived there for 6 months), they like Putin a lot, and a peaceful world is generally a good thing? If you like peace with Russia why are you supporting the guy who says that he might not defend NATO allies against Russia? Serious question.
He's pointing out the fact that the US spends 3.5% of it's GDP on military spending, spending which is mostly meant for deterrent purposes, and has ships and submarines all across the world to help if certain conflict arises... And outside of the UK and France, EU countries spend around 1% of GDP.
Military presence is important, but it's also important to see that it needs to be a unified effort where military work should be intervened and modernized, to make it cheaper and for everyone to bear equal cost for what they can afford. Currently that's not being done.
He's very very clearly not hoping it comes to any of this, it's more of a hey guys, lets be real, we all need to contribute, and not be House Mormont of Bear Island. I don't think it should be interpreted as a threat, more of a simple way to bring up the talking point.
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On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
The reasons I dislike him are unchanged. He is still uninformed, deeply stupid and a man-baby that is unfit for office. Even if I ignore all the populist non-sense, he is still a garbage candidate due to his lack of knowledge and complete distain for people with knowledge. I don't think he is uninformed though. Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911. Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out. That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit. He is doing a lot of goods for the people. The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think.
Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success.
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Success is usually a poor teacher anyhow because by the time it gets around to starting class, the lesson is already over.
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On September 20 2016 06:30 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:28 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 06:19 Mohdoo wrote:Once again, a terrorist turns out to be a complete loser:
Mr. McDermott said that Mr. Rahami’s father sued him, the mayor, the Council and some 20 police officers. Mr. McDermott said that in the lawsuit the elder Mr. Rahimi claimed that he had been discriminated against because of his race and ethnicity.
The mayor said: “It was neighbor complaints; it had nothing to do with his ethnicity or religion. It had to do with noise and people congregating on the streets.”
Mr. McDermott said a fragile truce was reached, whereby the restaurant would close at midnight or 1 a.m.
A few months ago, however, a for-sale sign appeared on the front, according to Mr. McDermott.
I am at least happy to know that he has led a life full of insecurity, anxiety, and general self doubt. source: http://nyti.ms/2ckyeNz I wouldn’t really be happy about that. It is likely the reason he was able to be turned. There is so much in common with terrorist recruiting and the way the espionage is conducted. He is the exact person they would target, unstable family life, feels separated from the community and so on. This is while the whole ban on Muslims thing is so irritating, since it would have done NOTHING in this case. I know its likely a big reason he was able to be turned, but I also know that not every person who gets turned has a shitty life. Weren't the guys who blew up the Boston race basically privileged edgelords? IIRC, it is not uncommon for educated 2nd generation immigrant muslims to get salty as well. I'm simply pointing out that I am glad someone who did something shitty, only did so after a life of misery and uncertainty. Since nothing can change what happened, I at least smile knowing he was a generally very sad person.
Its not that their lives are shitty. It is that there is a specific profile for who want to get people to betray their country. Plenty of people who passed intelligence to the USSR were well off and had fine lives. But they still betrayed their country for money, some ideal, sex or just to be given purpose. The problem with the terrorism discussions in the US is we acts like it is something that is being sent here, but it really groups like ISIS and others are cultivating it in in the US citizens. Even if we removed all Muslims tomorrow, ISIS and other groups would just target other US citizens.
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On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:
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I don't think he is uninformed though.
Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911.
Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out.
That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit.
He is doing a lot of goods for the people.
The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success.
Certainly more successful than you.
Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population.
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On September 20 2016 06:39 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:
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Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election.
He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking.
He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Certainly more successful than you. Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population.
It isn't successful. It is average. Most estimates show that Trump could have just invested the money in a blind trust and it would have turned out he same or better. There is nothing exceptional about Trump. He is a silver spoon trust fund baby turned con-artist because he was never at talented as his father.
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On September 20 2016 06:31 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:23 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 06:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 06:19 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
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He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are.
Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship.
So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward.
You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. And why do we give a shit if an autocrat like Putin likes Trump? Because Russian people are good people (I've lived there for 6 months), they like Putin a lot, and a peaceful world is generally a good thing? If you like peace with Russia why are you supporting the guy who says that he might not defend NATO allies against Russia? Serious question. He's pointing out the fact that the US spends 3.5% of it's GDP on military spending, spending which is mostly meant for deterrent purposes, and has ships and submarines all across the world to help if certain conflict arises... And outside of the UK and France, EU countries spend around 1% of GDP. Military presence is important, but it's also important to see that it needs to be a unified effort where military work should be intervened and modernized, to make it cheaper and for everyone to bear equal cost for what they can afford. Currently that's not being done. He's very very clearly not hoping it comes to any of this, it's more of a hey guys, lets be real, we all need to contribute, and not be House Mormont of Bear Island. I don't think it should be interpreted as a threat, more of a simple way to bring up the talking point.
But the way to do that isn't to undermine the promise of American defence. That's the whole of it, that's what keeps it together. Deterrence is the value of NATO. If your roommates aren't doing their fair share of the dishes you don't burn the house down with all your shit still inside.
Also the direct comparison of military budget is extremely misleading. Different nations have different military commitments. The 3.5% of the United States is spread across the entire world, your average Estonian citizen is not deriving a great benefit from the US fleet in the straits of Taiwan, nor from the Iraq war. In terms of actual NATO obligations they're actually spending far more of their military budget and gdp on direct NATO obligations than the United States is.
Also the nations Trump actually named were in line with their NATO obligations at the time.
Also Trump's complaints were about them not meeting recommended figures, not actual obligations.
The entire thing was a foreign policy catastrophe. But to sum it up, you just don't publicly bring up the question of whether NATO allies will be defended. You just don't. There is absolutely no gain that could be derived from doing that which would outweigh the potential risk of getting dragged into a confrontation by leading an opponent to question your commitment to involvement.
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On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:
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I don't think he is uninformed though.
Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911.
Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out.
That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit.
He is doing a lot of goods for the people.
The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success.
Lol.
He did not start with anywhere close to $200M, the advantage he had is he could get loans where a normally person would not be able to.
But even if we use your numbers, which are absurdly absurdly wrong, because his inheritance was NOWHERE close to $200mil, and he didn't get that until 1999 anyway... Even if that was true, he netted a return of over 6% every year on average. And don't forget to include taxes in that, which is huge.
Not only did he go through trouble and have a bankruptcy that he recovered from, he was also a very successful TV star, book writer (say what you will, he sold a shit ton of books), and now one of the two people that will become President?
Please do send me your linkedin profile.
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On September 20 2016 06:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:39 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
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He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are.
Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship.
So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward.
You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Certainly more successful than you. Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population. It isn't successful. It is average. Most estimates show that Trump could have just invested the money in a blind trust and it would have turned out he same or better. There is nothing exceptional about Trump.
What is exceptional about Trump is that playground taunts and anti-intellectualism became fashionable at just the right time to maybe make him president
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On September 20 2016 06:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:
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Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election.
He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking.
He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Lol. He did not start with anywhere close to $200M, the advantage he had is he could get loans where a normally person would not be able to. But even if we use your numbers, which are absurdly absurdly wrong, because his inheritance was NOWHERE close to $200mil, and he didn't get that until 1999 anyway... Even if that was true, he netted a return of over 6% every year on average. Not only did he go through trouble and have a bankruptcy that he recovered from, he was also a very successful TV star, book writer (say what you will, he sold a shit ton of books), and now one of the two people that will become President? Please do send me your linkedin profile.
You understand that he didn't write his books, right?
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Before Trump, there was practically zero question as to the willingness of the US to intervene should a NATO country be attacked. Trump says that the US may back out of its NATO alliance-based obligations. Putin publicly praises Trump.
lol?
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On September 20 2016 06:45 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:41 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 06:39 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:
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It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said".
Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Certainly more successful than you. Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population. It isn't successful. It is average. Most estimates show that Trump could have just invested the money in a blind trust and it would have turned out he same or better. There is nothing exceptional about Trump. What is exceptional about Trump is that playground taunts and anti-intellectualism became fashionable at just the right time to maybe make him president
This is ironic considering one of the largest voting blocs supporting Hillary is culturally defined by anti-intellectualism.
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On September 20 2016 06:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
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He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are.
Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship.
So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward.
You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Lol. He did not start with anywhere close to $200M, the advantage he had is he could get loans where a normally person would not be able to. But even if we use your numbers, which are absurdly absurdly wrong, because his inheritance was NOWHERE close to $200mil, and he didn't get that until 1999 anyway... Even if that was true, he netted a return of over 6% every year on average. Not only did he go through trouble and have a bankruptcy that he recovered from, he was also a very successful TV star, book writer (say what you will, he sold a shit ton of books), and now one of the two people that will become President? Please do send me your linkedin profile. You understand that he didn't write his books, right?
And? It is his book, he's making royalties on it, and it was a NYT Best Seller for a year?
You do realize that most nobel laureates have sizeable portions of their work done by their understudies? Point is, he's credited for doing an enormous amount of work.
I'm sure that if you look at Hillary, there's a lot she did a lot of what she didn't come up with, and just got told, or advised, and she did it, and now she gets the praise or flak for it?
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On September 20 2016 06:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:
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Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election.
He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking.
He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Lol. He did not start with anywhere close to $200M, the advantage he had is he could get loans where a normally person would not be able to. But even if we use your numbers, which are absurdly absurdly wrong, because his inheritance was NOWHERE close to $200mil, and he didn't get that until 1999 anyway... Even if that was true, he netted a return of over 6% every year on average. And don't forget to include taxes in that, which is huge. Not only did he go through trouble and have a bankruptcy that he recovered from, he was also a very successful TV star, book writer (say what you will, he sold a shit ton of books), and now one of the two people that will become President? Please do send me your linkedin profile.
He inherited his fathers real estate firm, which was estimated to be worth about $200 million.
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On September 20 2016 06:39 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:
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Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election.
He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking.
He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Certainly more successful than you. Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population.
it certainly is a sort of success to become candidate. But there's a very big difference between big talk, and being able to actually produce quality results; for which Trump has not been notably impressive, and for which there is no real record at government work.
It's also of course a lot easier when you have a strong start.
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On September 20 2016 06:43 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:31 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 06:23 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 06:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 06:19 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:
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It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said".
Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. And why do we give a shit if an autocrat like Putin likes Trump? Because Russian people are good people (I've lived there for 6 months), they like Putin a lot, and a peaceful world is generally a good thing? If you like peace with Russia why are you supporting the guy who says that he might not defend NATO allies against Russia? Serious question. He's pointing out the fact that the US spends 3.5% of it's GDP on military spending, spending which is mostly meant for deterrent purposes, and has ships and submarines all across the world to help if certain conflict arises... And outside of the UK and France, EU countries spend around 1% of GDP. Military presence is important, but it's also important to see that it needs to be a unified effort where military work should be intervened and modernized, to make it cheaper and for everyone to bear equal cost for what they can afford. Currently that's not being done. He's very very clearly not hoping it comes to any of this, it's more of a hey guys, lets be real, we all need to contribute, and not be House Mormont of Bear Island. I don't think it should be interpreted as a threat, more of a simple way to bring up the talking point. But the way to do that isn't to undermine the promise of American defence. That's the whole of it, that's what keeps it together. Deterrence is the value of NATO. If your roommates aren't doing their fair share of the dishes you don't burn the house down with all your shit still inside. Also the direct comparison of military budget is extremely misleading. Different nations have different military commitments. The 3.5% of the United States is spread across the entire world, your average Estonian citizen is not deriving a great benefit from the US fleet in the straits of Taiwan, nor from the Iraq war. In terms of actual NATO obligations they're actually spending far more of their military budget and gdp on direct NATO obligations than the United States is. Also the nations Trump actually named were in line with their NATO obligations at the time. Also Trump's complaints were about them not meeting recommended figures, not actual obligations. The entire thing was a foreign policy catastrophe. But to sum it up, you just don't publicly bring up the question of whether NATO allies will be defended. You just don't. There is absolutely no gain that could be derived from doing that which would outweigh the potential risk of getting dragged into a confrontation by leading an opponent to question your commitment to involvement.
Hey man, when Trump says he might not defend NATO allies against a military attack, he's just lightly bringing up the talking point of financial contribution.
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On September 20 2016 06:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:45 Dan HH wrote:On September 20 2016 06:41 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 06:39 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:
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Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television.
He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Certainly more successful than you. Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population. It isn't successful. It is average. Most estimates show that Trump could have just invested the money in a blind trust and it would have turned out he same or better. There is nothing exceptional about Trump. What is exceptional about Trump is that playground taunts and anti-intellectualism became fashionable at just the right time to maybe make him president This is ironic considering one of the largest voting blocs supporting Hillary is culturally defined by anti-intellectualism.
Hilary isn't carrying the white male vote?
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On September 20 2016 06:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 20 2016 06:45 Dan HH wrote:On September 20 2016 06:41 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 06:39 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Certainly more successful than you. Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population. It isn't successful. It is average. Most estimates show that Trump could have just invested the money in a blind trust and it would have turned out he same or better. There is nothing exceptional about Trump. What is exceptional about Trump is that playground taunts and anti-intellectualism became fashionable at just the right time to maybe make him president This is ironic considering one of the largest voting blocs supporting Hillary is culturally defined by anti-intellectualism. Hilary isn't carrying the white male vote?
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United States43764 Posts
On September 20 2016 06:47 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:45 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 06:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:
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It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said".
Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Lol. He did not start with anywhere close to $200M, the advantage he had is he could get loans where a normally person would not be able to. But even if we use your numbers, which are absurdly absurdly wrong, because his inheritance was NOWHERE close to $200mil, and he didn't get that until 1999 anyway... Even if that was true, he netted a return of over 6% every year on average. Not only did he go through trouble and have a bankruptcy that he recovered from, he was also a very successful TV star, book writer (say what you will, he sold a shit ton of books), and now one of the two people that will become President? Please do send me your linkedin profile. You understand that he didn't write his books, right? And? It is his book, he's making royalties on it, and it was a NYT Best Seller for a year? You do realize that most nobel laureates have sizeable portions of their work done by their understudies? Point is, he's credited for doing an enormous amount of work. I'm sure that if you look at Hillary, there's a lot she did a lot of what she didn't come up with, and just got told, or advised, and she did it, and now she gets the praise or flak for it?
I just don't know why you're saying that he's a successful book writer when you know that he didn't write his book. That's confusing to me. Like if I were to claim I were a successful book writer (or author as we're known in the business) and when challenged I used Harry Potter as evidence of my claim you'd be a bit dubious about conceding that achievement to me on the grounds that I didn't write it.
When you claim that someone is a successful book writer then you don't just need to show that a book was successful, it also needs to be a book they actually wrote. Trump hasn't written one.
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