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On September 20 2016 06:39 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:
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Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election.
He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking.
He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Certainly more successful than you.Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population.
Performing below braindead investing is not successful. My investments have done significantly better than Trump's. You aren't understanding the situation at all.
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On September 20 2016 06:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
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He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are.
Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship.
So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward.
You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Lol. He did not start with anywhere close to $200M, the advantage he had is he could get loans where a normally person would not be able to. But even if we use your numbers, which are absurdly absurdly wrong, because his inheritance was NOWHERE close to $200mil, and he didn't get that until 1999 anyway... Even if that was true, he netted a return of over 6% every year on average. And don't forget to include taxes in that, which is huge. Not only did he go through trouble and have a bankruptcy that he recovered from, he was also a very successful TV star, book writer (say what you will, he sold a shit ton of books), and now one of the two people that will become President? Please do send me your linkedin profile. He inherited his fathers real estate firm, which was estimated to be worth about $200 million.
In 1999 when his father died he got the money, before then he was mostly borrowing against his future inheretence. So don't try to use some bullshit 50 year compound interest argument, since it wasn't. Also the inheritance was split, Trump didn't receive all of it.
Either way, if in 40 years Mark Z. was worth 1 trillion dollars, and you only looked at his life from 32 to 72, I'd hope you'd consider him a success.
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On September 20 2016 06:51 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:39 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
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He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are.
Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship.
So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward.
You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Certainly more successful than you.Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population. Performing below braindead investing is not successful. My investments have done significantly better than Trump's. You aren't understanding the situation at all.
This is laughable
I don't really expect you to disclose your net worth but the idea of "I'm way more successful than Trump in my investments! I have sooo much money!"
Literally guilty of one of the things you probably hate in Trump - bragging about fiscal success (online badass over here)
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On September 20 2016 06:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:51 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:39 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:
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It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said".
Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Certainly more successful than you.Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population. Performing below braindead investing is not successful. My investments have done significantly better than Trump's. You aren't understanding the situation at all. This is laughable I don't really expect you to disclose your net worth but the idea of "I'm way more successful than Trump in my investments! I have sooo much money!"Literally guilty of one of the things you probably hate in Trump - bragging about fiscal success (online badass over here)
you seem to be completely ignoring his actual point here. while there may be issues with his point, what you are doing does not in any way address the actual issues it has.
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On September 20 2016 06:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:51 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:39 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:
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It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said".
Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Certainly more successful than you.Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population. Performing below braindead investing is not successful. My investments have done significantly better than Trump's. You aren't understanding the situation at all. This is laughable I don't really expect you to disclose your net worth but the idea of "I'm way more successful than Trump in my investments! I have sooo much money!"Literally guilty of one of the things you probably hate in Trump - bragging about fiscal success (online badass over here)
You're missing the point. The point is that Trump's business success is extremely questionable given the benchmark that his investments ought to be at if they'd been set in an index fund is comparable to his suspected net worth.
Mohdoo isn't saying that he's richer than Trump, he's saying that Trump's wealth isn't evidence of anything more than a big inheritance and a long investment period and that if adjustments are made to compensate for those Mohdoo has outperformed him. The conclusion offered isn't that Mohdoo is a financial genius, it is that Trump is not.
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Trump, what a guy. Saying it's sad we are not horrible monsters like the terrorist. That we treat wounded people and give them trials. That is it sad we don't punish them like we used to. You know what he means. The good old days.
Disgusting. The man bemoans the Constitution that prohibits cruel and unusual a punishment.
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On September 20 2016 06:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:51 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:39 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:
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It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said".
Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Certainly more successful than you.Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population. Performing below braindead investing is not successful. My investments have done significantly better than Trump's. You aren't understanding the situation at all. This is laughable I don't really expect you to disclose your net worth but the idea of "I'm way more successful than Trump in my investments! I have sooo much money!"Literally guilty of one of the things you probably hate in Trump - bragging about fiscal success (online badass over here)
Point isn't that anyone else is better than Trump.
It's that Trump's ROI and interest rates are quite bad compared to the market average.
Assuming he has as much money as he says now, since he won't release any tax info.
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On September 20 2016 06:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:51 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:39 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:
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It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said".
Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Certainly more successful than you.Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population. Performing below braindead investing is not successful. My investments have done significantly better than Trump's. You aren't understanding the situation at all. This is laughable I don't really expect you to disclose your net worth but the idea of "I'm way more successful than Trump in my investments! I have sooo much money!"Literally guilty of one of the things you probably hate in Trump - bragging about fiscal success (online badass over here)
I don't consider myself wildly successful and I don't consider him to be either. I certainly do very well for myself, but I'm no big shot. I consider entertainment to be an empty accomplishment, so only going off of networth.
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On September 20 2016 06:57 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 20 2016 06:51 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:39 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:33 Mohdoo wrote:On September 20 2016 06:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:
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Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television.
He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here. Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him. Its much more nuanced than you think. Turning $200M from 1976 into $4B in 2016 is not success. Certainly more successful than you.Any man that became a candidate of a USA political party is more successful than 95% of the population. Performing below braindead investing is not successful. My investments have done significantly better than Trump's. You aren't understanding the situation at all. This is laughable I don't really expect you to disclose your net worth but the idea of "I'm way more successful than Trump in my investments! I have sooo much money!"Literally guilty of one of the things you probably hate in Trump - bragging about fiscal success (online badass over here) Point isn't that anyone else is better than Trump. It's that Trump's ROI and interest rates are quite bad compared to the market average. Assuming he has as much money as he says now, since he won't release any tax info.
Guess what, it is much worst. Trump is likely a very shitty business man who wasted a ton of money on terrible business plans based on fraud. We have the court cases against him to show how bad they are.
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On September 20 2016 06:56 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/777971370567331840Trump, what a guy. Saying it's sad we are not horrible monsters like the terrorist. That we treat wounded people and give them trials. That is it sad we don't punish them like we used to. You know what he means. The good old days. Disgusting. The man bemoans the Constitution that prohibits cruel and unusual a punishment.
61% of the US population supports the death penalty (at least in principle). Obviously it's fairly prohibitive in terms of cost.
What is wrong with you calling 60% of the population disgusting? Maybe you should start to realize a sizeable majority of the US just straight up don't agree with you, so maybe you should change your outlook on the world and that it doesn't revolve around you instead of shitting on everyone?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/186218/solid-majority-continue-support-death-penalty.aspx
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Are all your counter arguments this shitty? Like could you be more disingenuous if you fucking tried?
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On September 20 2016 07:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:56 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/777971370567331840Trump, what a guy. Saying it's sad we are not horrible monsters like the terrorist. That we treat wounded people and give them trials. That is it sad we don't punish them like we used to. You know what he means. The good old days. Disgusting. The man bemoans the Constitution that prohibits cruel and unusual a punishment. 61% of the US population supports the death penalty (at least in principle). Obviously it's fairly prohibitive in terms of cost. What is wrong with you calling 60% of the population disgusting? Maybe you should start to realize a sizeable majority of the US just straight up don't agree with you, so maybe you should change your outlook on the world and that it doesn't revolve around you instead of shitting on everyone? http://www.gallup.com/poll/186218/solid-majority-continue-support-death-penalty.aspx
This is literally an appeal to majority, as in the classic error of judgement. If 60% of x country support stoning adulterers, you would defend that I assume?
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On September 20 2016 07:01 Plansix wrote:Are all your counter arguments this shitty?
Dude, it's one thing if I come into this thread and say that all terrorists should be punished harshly in cruel and humiliating ways, because it's not an insane position with a lot of people.
But you straight up come here, and start to shit talk at times 80-90% of the population (in this case only 61%). That's like me coming here and saying that all people who don't believe black people should be slaves are hung.
You have no empathy or sympathy for people who have different opinions than you, even though in certain cases you are the odd one out.
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The vagueness of that statement is kind of hilarious. Is there even any reason why that guy couldn't face the death penalty? I thought it was still allowed on the federal level and that terrorism is considered a federal crime. Is Trump claiming that the US once had punishments worse than death?
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On September 20 2016 07:03 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 07:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 06:56 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/777971370567331840Trump, what a guy. Saying it's sad we are not horrible monsters like the terrorist. That we treat wounded people and give them trials. That is it sad we don't punish them like we used to. You know what he means. The good old days. Disgusting. The man bemoans the Constitution that prohibits cruel and unusual a punishment. 61% of the US population supports the death penalty (at least in principle). Obviously it's fairly prohibitive in terms of cost. What is wrong with you calling 60% of the population disgusting? Maybe you should start to realize a sizeable majority of the US just straight up don't agree with you, so maybe you should change your outlook on the world and that it doesn't revolve around you instead of shitting on everyone? http://www.gallup.com/poll/186218/solid-majority-continue-support-death-penalty.aspx This is literally an appeal to majority, as in the classic error of judgement. If 60% of x country support stoning adulterers, you would defend that I assume?
No, but in the same sense I wont go call 25% of the US population deplorable, or call 60% of the population disgusting.
That is not how you achieve unity.
Seriously, I come to this thread frequently enough, and Plansix is such an awful shit poster who just tries to demonize everyone who doesn't agree with him. It's a very uninviting environment to have a conversation in. Him not being banned from this thread truly boggles my mind, surely if he used his arguments to support the candidate who is less liked on TL (Trump), he would have not been here for quite some time.
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On September 20 2016 07:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:56 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/777971370567331840Trump, what a guy. Saying it's sad we are not horrible monsters like the terrorist. That we treat wounded people and give them trials. That is it sad we don't punish them like we used to. You know what he means. The good old days. Disgusting. The man bemoans the Constitution that prohibits cruel and unusual a punishment. 61% of the US population supports the death penalty (at least in principle). Obviously it's fairly prohibitive in terms of cost.
When the average American doesn't even have a 4 year degree, citing consensus as a justification for morality doesn't make much sense. Support of an idea being widespread does not make it morally justifiable. Consider the percentage of Egypt that supports various forms of barbarism that we scoff at. Sure, our country is significantly more educated, cultured and whatnot, but it is still an example of widespread support for complete horseshit. I know I don't need to bring up the typical example of slavery.
On September 20 2016 07:05 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 07:03 Dan HH wrote:On September 20 2016 07:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 06:56 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/777971370567331840Trump, what a guy. Saying it's sad we are not horrible monsters like the terrorist. That we treat wounded people and give them trials. That is it sad we don't punish them like we used to. You know what he means. The good old days. Disgusting. The man bemoans the Constitution that prohibits cruel and unusual a punishment. 61% of the US population supports the death penalty (at least in principle). Obviously it's fairly prohibitive in terms of cost. What is wrong with you calling 60% of the population disgusting? Maybe you should start to realize a sizeable majority of the US just straight up don't agree with you, so maybe you should change your outlook on the world and that it doesn't revolve around you instead of shitting on everyone? http://www.gallup.com/poll/186218/solid-majority-continue-support-death-penalty.aspx This is literally an appeal to majority, as in the classic error of judgement. If 60% of x country support stoning adulterers, you would defend that I assume? No, but in the same sense I wont go call 25% of the US population deplorable, or call 60% of the population disgusting. That is not how you achieve unity. Seriously, I come to this thread frequently enough, and Plansix is such an awful shit poster who just tries to demonize everyone who doesn't agree with him. It's a very uninviting environment to have a conversation in.
This is a discussion board, not the UN. No one is going for "unity" here. This is a place of philosophical/ethical/political discourse, not bringing people together around a common goal.
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Trump did shell out a decent amount in loans (since forgiven) to the campaign, so he's got that going for him as evidence for his wealth.
I'm just not convinced he did a particularly outstanding job with the resources that some higher power gave him. He's an okay poker player who got dealt great hands during a game and made some money off it. If he'd been a good or great player, he would have robbed the table by now.
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Trump is under the impression that the US used to utilize dementors as axmen.
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On September 20 2016 07:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 07:01 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 07:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 06:56 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/777971370567331840Trump, what a guy. Saying it's sad we are not horrible monsters like the terrorist. That we treat wounded people and give them trials. That is it sad we don't punish them like we used to. You know what he means. The good old days. Disgusting. The man bemoans the Constitution that prohibits cruel and unusual a punishment. 61% of the US population supports the death penalty (at least in principle). Obviously it's fairly prohibitive in terms of cost. What is wrong with you calling 60% of the population disgusting? http://www.gallup.com/poll/186218/solid-majority-continue-support-death-penalty.aspx Are all your counter arguments this shitty? Dude, it's one thing if I come into this thread and say that all terrorists should be punished harshly in cruel and humiliating ways, because it's not an insane position with a lot of people. But you straight up come here, and start to shit talk at times 80-90% of the population (in this case only 61%). That's like me coming here and saying that all people who don't believe black people should be slaves are hung. You have no empathy or sympathy for people who have different opinions than you, even though in certain cases you are the odd one out.
The only one taking shit here is you kid. I didn't say anything about the death penalty. Trump did some garbage word vomit about how sad it that we don't abuse terrorist in state custody and then you got all upset because I pointed that out.
And appealing to the majority and claiming someone making the counter argument lacks empathy for their view is peak disingenuous argument.
User was warned for calling people kid because KwarK thought it was dumb
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On September 20 2016 07:05 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 07:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 06:56 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/777971370567331840Trump, what a guy. Saying it's sad we are not horrible monsters like the terrorist. That we treat wounded people and give them trials. That is it sad we don't punish them like we used to. You know what he means. The good old days. Disgusting. The man bemoans the Constitution that prohibits cruel and unusual a punishment. 61% of the US population supports the death penalty (at least in principle). Obviously it's fairly prohibitive in terms of cost. When the average American doesn't even have a 4 year degree, citing consensus as a justification for morality doesn't make much sense. Support of an idea being widespread does not make it morally justifiable. Consider the percentage of Egypt that supports various forms of barbarism that we scoff at. Sure, our country is significantly more educated, cultured and whatnot, but it is still an example of widespread support for complete horseshit. I know I don't need to bring up the typical example of slavery. Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 07:05 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 07:03 Dan HH wrote:On September 20 2016 07:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 06:56 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/777971370567331840Trump, what a guy. Saying it's sad we are not horrible monsters like the terrorist. That we treat wounded people and give them trials. That is it sad we don't punish them like we used to. You know what he means. The good old days. Disgusting. The man bemoans the Constitution that prohibits cruel and unusual a punishment. 61% of the US population supports the death penalty (at least in principle). Obviously it's fairly prohibitive in terms of cost. What is wrong with you calling 60% of the population disgusting? Maybe you should start to realize a sizeable majority of the US just straight up don't agree with you, so maybe you should change your outlook on the world and that it doesn't revolve around you instead of shitting on everyone? http://www.gallup.com/poll/186218/solid-majority-continue-support-death-penalty.aspx This is literally an appeal to majority, as in the classic error of judgement. If 60% of x country support stoning adulterers, you would defend that I assume? No, but in the same sense I wont go call 25% of the US population deplorable, or call 60% of the population disgusting. That is not how you achieve unity. Seriously, I come to this thread frequently enough, and Plansix is such an awful shit poster who just tries to demonize everyone who doesn't agree with him. It's a very uninviting environment to have a conversation in. This is a discussion board, not the UN. No one is going for "unity" here. This is a place of philosophical/ethical/political discourse, not bringing people together around a common goal.
Alright, I've gotten a bit worked up, because some people have had really bad arguments for the last hour or two, so I apologize if I'm being a bit rude or harsh.
That said, I completely disagree with you on anything to do with 4 year degrees here. Capital punishment is a question of morality and philosophy, that is not something that anyone should have a bigger voice on than someone else for, regardless of how much more educated and how much more money they have. Dealing with foreign relations, sure, let the experts do that, dealing with deciding whether the Death Penalty is just? No.
As I understand it, that's the very basis of democracy. If the US has 55% of it that want to be barbarians, then the US will be a barbaric state, that's what democracy says.
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