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On September 20 2016 06:03 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 05:50 On_Slaught wrote:On September 20 2016 05:46 oBlade wrote:On September 20 2016 05:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:25 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 05:06 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:04 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 05:00 RealityIsKing wrote:
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Okay but that's still a better candidate than Hillary though.
At least Trump is planning on doing more for Americans than her. No. He isn't. Straight up. Hilary and the democratic party plans to continue with things that make my life better. Trump wants to end them and cut taxes on people that make more in a year and I will in 15. There is no reason for me to vote for that man. Zero. Even without all the xenophobic bullshit, he offers me literally nothing. There is no reason for me to vote for him. So basically you are mad that he is going to tax people that makes more money than a certain amount? And you are apparently really rich and don't like that? Okay you can live in your "high class" life but the rest of us though, its a different story. ?????? He is going to cut taxes for the rich. ????????? Clearly there is some misunderstanding, state your points more clearly. Trump wants to end them and cut taxes on people that make more in a year and I will in 15 this wasn't particularly ambiguous, you just completely failed to read it Let's make this simple. Trump is going to massively slash taxes, particularly on the rich, while at the same time massively increasing spending on immigration enforcement, the military, the surveillance state, his wall and other vanity projects. This is a recipe for cutting essential services that the poor depend upon to survive while simultaneously increasing the national debt. I'd vote for the rotting corpse of Reagan before I voted for Trump. You do realize that 65%+ of the budget is spent on social security, health, and interest payments? Outside of military spending, everything else is a drop in the ocean. He can raise the budget on everything if he somehow restructures healthcare like he wants to. He's also been critical of military spending, despite saying he wants a better/stronger military, which people I guess automatically take as a synonym for spending more money. He had literally said he wants a bunch more planes, ships, and soldiers. You think that shit is free? Notably, the numbers he quoted after saying he wanted a bigger, better, more formidable military are actually lower than the current numbers of planes, ships, and soldiers we have. (add another point to the mental uninformed tally, please, thread)
During the speech and I thought he was moments away from pushing for the development of a walking tank that carries a nuke.
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On September 20 2016 06:04 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 05:50 On_Slaught wrote:On September 20 2016 05:46 oBlade wrote:On September 20 2016 05:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:25 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 05:06 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:04 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 05:00 RealityIsKing wrote:
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Okay but that's still a better candidate than Hillary though.
At least Trump is planning on doing more for Americans than her. No. He isn't. Straight up. Hilary and the democratic party plans to continue with things that make my life better. Trump wants to end them and cut taxes on people that make more in a year and I will in 15. There is no reason for me to vote for that man. Zero. Even without all the xenophobic bullshit, he offers me literally nothing. There is no reason for me to vote for him. So basically you are mad that he is going to tax people that makes more money than a certain amount? And you are apparently really rich and don't like that? Okay you can live in your "high class" life but the rest of us though, its a different story. ?????? He is going to cut taxes for the rich. ????????? Clearly there is some misunderstanding, state your points more clearly. Trump wants to end them and cut taxes on people that make more in a year and I will in 15 this wasn't particularly ambiguous, you just completely failed to read it Let's make this simple. Trump is going to massively slash taxes, particularly on the rich, while at the same time massively increasing spending on immigration enforcement, the military, the surveillance state, his wall and other vanity projects. This is a recipe for cutting essential services that the poor depend upon to survive while simultaneously increasing the national debt. I'd vote for the rotting corpse of Reagan before I voted for Trump. You do realize that 65%+ of the budget is spent on social security, health, and interest payments? Outside of military spending, everything else is a drop in the ocean. He can raise the budget on everything if he somehow restructures healthcare like he wants to. He's also been critical of military spending, despite saying he wants a better/stronger military, which people I guess automatically take as a synonym for spending more money. He had literally said he wants a bunch more planes, ships, and soldiers. You think that shit is free? The two parts of the US spending system that are COMPLETELY and UTTERLY fucked up are: -Healthcare spending -Military spending It completely screws us over too, since our average doctors back home are making $300,000 a year which is a very respectable salary back home for 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 years of education, where 4 of those years you're making $60,000 a year. One of my girlfriends cousins moved to the US and she's making $4,000,000USD a year as a dermatologists, wtf. And then the silly doctor unions here will be like well we have to pay our doctors more since they'll all leave to the US. Not only that, but you have a completely for profit healthcare system, and all Obamacare/ACA does is try to subsidize these huge costs instead of try to lower these costs. The US pays 17% of all its GDP on healthcare, we pay 10% in Canada... Our healthcare system is better for 99% of the population than for what you guys have in the US. If it wasn't for the US, we would be paying 7-8% of our GDP on healthcare. Our healthcare costs are only going to go up once TPP rolls out. You guys need a complete restructuring because you pay more for less. Military spending is also insanely messed up, and the budget doesn't tell the whole story, because wars and other things are not included, that's in some other spending category, and hence why your actual spending and your actual budget never line up at all. In the current system the US throws out all economics out the window in the military and just buy whatever Lockheed or one of the other large military suppliers says you need, it's bogus. There's no competition in the market, and you guys pay up the butt for your stuff. Fix that, and get others to bear some of your military costs, and you'll be golden. So yeah, you pay 600 billion a year for your military, or 3.5% of your GDP on military upkeep, and then add another 2-5% of GDP depending on how many military campaigns you have. The US has more or less achieved nothing in Syria so far, and you've already spent 300 billion on it... Studies suggest it'll cost 1.3 trillion by 2020 if it keeps going this way. And this is only for the one conflict. This is all due to a poorly planned system, and poor economic planning in terms of how money for the military is allocated.
Dunno where you're getting your numbers, but 4m puts her probably in the top 1,000 best paid physicians in the US. Typical range is about 150k for a GP to maybe 400k for a surgeon or radiologist.
Also, that's not how the ACA works. I'll make a longer post when I get off work. I don't disagree that the US healthcare system is really messed up though.
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On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
The reasons I dislike him are unchanged. He is still uninformed, deeply stupid and a man-baby that is unfit for office. Even if I ignore all the populist non-sense, he is still a garbage candidate due to his lack of knowledge and complete distain for people with knowledge. I don't think he is uninformed though. Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911. Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out. That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit. He is doing a lot of goods for the people. The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies.
I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary.
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Imagine the right's reaction if, in May 2015 before Trump entered the race, Hillary said she'd have to review a NATO ally's financial contribution before coming to their defense, and she'll increase military asset counts to counts that are less than we currently have.
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Feel a little bad for these people, but at the same time it's pretty funny
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On September 20 2016 06:09 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the right's reaction if, in May 2015 before Trump entered the race, Hillary said she'd have to review a NATO ally's financial contribution before coming to their defense, and she'll increase military asset counts to counts that are less than we currently have.
hey, gotta approach it like a business opportunity.
+ Show Spoiler +worked real well in flint, michigan didn't it
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Sorry, I apologize.
I should have looked closed at that number, it just seemed reasonable at first sight based on what I've seen other wars cost for the US.
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On September 20 2016 06:09 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the right's reaction if, in May 2015 before Trump entered the race, Hillary said she'd have to review a NATO ally's financial contribution before coming to their defense, and she'll increase military asset counts to counts that are less than we currently have.
It's so hypocritical that the GOPe would attack HRC over that but is totally enamored with Trump.
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On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
The reasons I dislike him are unchanged. He is still uninformed, deeply stupid and a man-baby that is unfit for office. Even if I ignore all the populist non-sense, he is still a garbage candidate due to his lack of knowledge and complete distain for people with knowledge. I don't think he is uninformed though. Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911. Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out. That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit. He is doing a lot of goods for the people. The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary.
How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything?
And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else.
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Once again, a terrorist turns out to be a complete loser:
Mr. McDermott said that Mr. Rahami’s father sued him, the mayor, the Council and some 20 police officers. Mr. McDermott said that in the lawsuit the elder Mr. Rahimi claimed that he had been discriminated against because of his race and ethnicity.
The mayor said: “It was neighbor complaints; it had nothing to do with his ethnicity or religion. It had to do with noise and people congregating on the streets.”
Mr. McDermott said a fragile truce was reached, whereby the restaurant would close at midnight or 1 a.m.
A few months ago, however, a for-sale sign appeared on the front, according to Mr. McDermott.
I am at least happy to know that he has led a life full of insecurity, anxiety, and general self doubt.
source: http://nyti.ms/2ckyeNz
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On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
The reasons I dislike him are unchanged. He is still uninformed, deeply stupid and a man-baby that is unfit for office. Even if I ignore all the populist non-sense, he is still a garbage candidate due to his lack of knowledge and complete distain for people with knowledge. I don't think he is uninformed though. Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911. Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out. That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit. He is doing a lot of goods for the people. The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary.
You do realize that Brazil has more money GDP/capita than Russia, and a larger economy overall. Even Canada or Australia with 25% of the population or Australia with 1/6th of the population of Russia are wealthier countries.
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On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
The reasons I dislike him are unchanged. He is still uninformed, deeply stupid and a man-baby that is unfit for office. Even if I ignore all the populist non-sense, he is still a garbage candidate due to his lack of knowledge and complete distain for people with knowledge. I don't think he is uninformed though. Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911. Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out. That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit. He is doing a lot of goods for the people. The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else.
And why do we give a shit if an autocrat like Putin likes Trump?
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On September 20 2016 06:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
The reasons I dislike him are unchanged. He is still uninformed, deeply stupid and a man-baby that is unfit for office. Even if I ignore all the populist non-sense, he is still a garbage candidate due to his lack of knowledge and complete distain for people with knowledge. I don't think he is uninformed though. Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911. Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out. That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit. He is doing a lot of goods for the people. The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. And why do we give a shit if an autocrat like Putin likes Trump?
Because Russian people are good people (I've lived there for 6 months), they like Putin a lot, and a peaceful world is generally a good thing?
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On September 20 2016 04:27 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
The reasons I dislike him are unchanged. He is still uninformed, deeply stupid and a man-baby that is unfit for office. Even if I ignore all the populist non-sense, he is still a garbage candidate due to his lack of knowledge and complete distain for people with knowledge. I don't think he is uninformed though. Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911. Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out. That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit. He is doing a lot of goods for the people. The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. While I don't agree with you, since Mexico is going to pay for the wall, but simply through Tariffs or some other trade means, not a hey, give us $1 billion dollars a year for the next while so we can build a wall... Plansix does take most things at absurdly face value, and hence it can be difficult to discuss anything politics with him. Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:26 TheYango wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are.
Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship.
So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward.
You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. The problem isn't whether or not Mexico will pay for the wall. The problem is that suggesting that a new wall will actually significantly impact illegal immigration in a productive way deeply misunderstands how illegal immigrants end up becoming illegal immigrants, and what effects putting up a wall would actually have. The wall is synonymous with increased border security. Anyone who imagines any kind of wall being erected and everything else staying the same is wrong. Trump and his advisors aren't/won't be stupid enough to spend billions of dollars for no reason whatsoever.
We like Trump because he's a straight talker! But yeah, don't take anything he says at face value. When he says Mexico will pay for the wall it's all bluster (pssssst, the Mexicans are too dumb to figure this out themselves). And while the whole idea of a wall is stupid, you shouldn't take that literally; it's a metaphor.
It's like whatever Trump says, you just make up whatever you actually want him to have said and imagine he said that instead...
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On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
The reasons I dislike him are unchanged. He is still uninformed, deeply stupid and a man-baby that is unfit for office. Even if I ignore all the populist non-sense, he is still a garbage candidate due to his lack of knowledge and complete distain for people with knowledge. I don't think he is uninformed though. Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911. Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out. That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit. He is doing a lot of goods for the people. The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary.
This statement does not live up to the motto that reality is king.
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On September 20 2016 06:21 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:19 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:
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I don't think he is uninformed though.
Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911.
Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out.
That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit.
He is doing a lot of goods for the people.
The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else. And why do we give a shit if an autocrat like Putin likes Trump? Because Russian people are good people (I've lived there for 6 months), they like Putin a lot, and a peaceful world is generally a good thing?
If you like peace with Russia why are you supporting the guy who says that he might not defend NATO allies against Russia? Serious question.
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On September 20 2016 06:19 Mohdoo wrote:Once again, a terrorist turns out to be a complete loser: Show nested quote +
Mr. McDermott said that Mr. Rahami’s father sued him, the mayor, the Council and some 20 police officers. Mr. McDermott said that in the lawsuit the elder Mr. Rahimi claimed that he had been discriminated against because of his race and ethnicity.
The mayor said: “It was neighbor complaints; it had nothing to do with his ethnicity or religion. It had to do with noise and people congregating on the streets.”
Mr. McDermott said a fragile truce was reached, whereby the restaurant would close at midnight or 1 a.m.
A few months ago, however, a for-sale sign appeared on the front, according to Mr. McDermott.
I am at least happy to know that he has led a life full of insecurity, anxiety, and general self doubt. source: http://nyti.ms/2ckyeNz
I wouldn’t really be happy about that. It is likely the reason he was able to be turned. There is so much in common with terrorist recruiting and the way the espionage is conducted. He is the exact person they would target, unstable family life, feels separated from the community and so on. This is while the whole ban on Muslims thing is so irritating, since it would have done NOTHING in this case.
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On September 20 2016 06:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 06:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 20 2016 05:49 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 05:30 KwarK wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
The reasons I dislike him are unchanged. He is still uninformed, deeply stupid and a man-baby that is unfit for office. Even if I ignore all the populist non-sense, he is still a garbage candidate due to his lack of knowledge and complete distain for people with knowledge. I don't think he is uninformed though. Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911. Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out. That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit. He is doing a lot of goods for the people. The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. It's pretty amusing to me that Trump supporters have to try so hard to change what Trump literally said in plain and unambiguous terms to be something more palatable. Especially when they ask him and he goes "nope, I literally meant what I said". Trump really is saying that he will get Mexico to write him a check for the wall. That's the plan. You might think "surely that cannot be the plan, that'd be really stupid" but it is the plan. That's where we are right now. Trump, on several occasions say that he changes his plans accordingly on national television. He have the potential to squeeze more benefits to the American in 4 years than Hillary, that's for sure. Absolutely not. Hillary already has a strong rapport internationally, and the rest of the world (minus, say, Russia and North Korea for obvious reasons) have absolutely no idea why or how this race is even remotely close. Hillary knows how to be diplomatic and work with other nations to get stuff done, because she's done it for years. She is respected globally. On the other hand, Trump is tactless and feckless and all he does is marginalize groups of people. He won't get shit done because he doesn't know how to act professionally. He'll push our allies away and make more enemies. I hope you realize that the two strongest nation beside USA (Russia + China) likes Trump's pragmatic approach way better than Hillary. How is Trump being "pragmatic" when he doesn't even have a basic understanding of... well, pretty much anything? And Putin loves the fact that Trump wants to be his little spoon. Nothing else.
Well Trump definitely knows more than you and I just judging by his success. You are over exaggerating like mad here.
Also you are distorting facts. Trump says that he wants to be peaceful with Russians just 3 days ago on Jimmy Fallon, not be buddy buddy with him.
Its much more nuanced than you think.
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