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xDaunt
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Mohdoo
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Plansix
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Hexe
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Plansix
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On September 17 2016 05:43 Plansix wrote: That is the opposite of a news source. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 17 2016 05:47 Hexe wrote: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-campaign-manager-admits-birtherism-started/ boom The lady doth protest too much, methinks. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
It isn't death to the movement to admit she was the biggest original spreader, and move on to say Trump took it and ran with it later in an official way. It'll stick to Trump better if you stay to the truth path of history. All this obfuscation just makes it a bigger political wash. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
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On September 17 2016 05:01 Plansix wrote: Reality does have a liberal bias, so I can see how that would offend you. Lol really | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 17 2016 05:47 Hexe wrote: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-campaign-manager-admits-birtherism-started/ boom So an unpaid, volunteer coordinator forwarded a message that was sent to them. That person then got fired for forwarding it. Note: Did not originate it, was not paid and was fired. That is not proof. That is writing a headline and hoping no one reads the article. | ||
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xDaunt
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On September 17 2016 05:51 Danglars wrote: I thought people were all up in arms at her campaign spreading that junk for obvious reasons back when Obama wasn't guaranteed to win his primary? Now, the only sure thing is hardcore unassociated supporters were the originator. Like in campaigns past, she gets others to do the dirty work (contrast/compare with Trump). It isn't death to the movement to admit she was the biggest original spreader, and move on to say Trump took it and ran with it later in an official way. It'll stick to Trump better if you stay to the truth path of history. All this obfuscation just makes it a bigger political wash. I agree with this. If Hillary was smart, she'd just cede the issue and move on. By objecting so vociferously (as she always does whenever something like this happens to her), I can't help but think that she's setting herself up for problems further on down the road (as she always does whenever something like this happens to her). I think Colin Powell's comments are quite revelatory in that regard. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Doyle: So we — absolutely, the campaign nor Hillary did not start the Birther movement, period, end of story there. There was a volunteer coordinator, I believe, in late 2007, I believe, in December, one of our volunteer coordinators in one of the counties in Iowa — I don’t recall whether they were an actual paid staffer, but they did forward an email that promoted the conspiracy. A volunteer coordinator forwarded an email that promoted the conspiracy, wew lad such guilt I find it fucking funny that the conservative posters (with apologies to xDaunt who is a post-conservative-ive) don't actually Breitbart, they just cite it for the headlines. | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On September 17 2016 05:47 Hexe wrote: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-campaign-manager-admits-birtherism-started/ boom Do you read past the headline? If you take all of that as true, then it is proof that HRC didn't start birtherism. Doyle: So we — absolutely, the campaign nor Hillary did not start the Birther movement, period, end of story there. There was a volunteer coordinator, I believe, in late 2007, I believe, in December, one of our volunteer coordinators in one of the counties in Iowa — I don’t recall whether they were an actual paid staffer, but they did forward an email that promoted the conspiracy. Blitzer: The Birther conspiracy? Doyle: Yeah, Hillary made the decision immediately to let that person go. We let that person go. And it was so, beyond the pale, Wolf, and so not worthy of the kind of campaign that certainly Hillary wanted to run. FORWARD, meaning someone else wrote it and some volunteer in Iowa forwarded it. This person was then fired. That isn't starting the birther conspiracy. Check out the reporting on Andy Martin, the plausible candidate for actually starting birtherism shortly after Obama's 2004 speech. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304 | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On September 17 2016 05:53 xDaunt wrote: I agree with this. If Hillary was smart, she'd just cede the issue and move on. By objecting so vociferously (as she always does whenever something like this happens to her), I can't help but think that she's setting herself up for problems further on down the road (as she always does whenever something like this happens to her). I think Colin Powell's comments are quite revelatory in that regard. Campaign strategy by xDaunt: Accept all accusation Donald Trump makes against you. And you wonder why people are so dismissive of your posting? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
Like Bill calling "Make America Great Again" racist (it is), like he didn't use the same slogan. Like has been said, it's not even that she's a part of this kind of stuff, it's the asinine denials and obfuscation from her and her supporters which make them look ridiculous. | ||
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xDaunt
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On September 17 2016 05:55 WolfintheSheep wrote: Campaign strategy by xDaunt: Accept all accusation Donald Trump makes against you. And you wonder why people are so dismissive of your posting? She certainly shouldn't cede everything, but she needs to pick better battles. Do you really think that Hillary did herself any favors on the email issue? | ||
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Plansix
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On September 17 2016 05:55 WolfintheSheep wrote: Campaign strategy by xDaunt: Accept all accusation Donald Trump makes against you. And you wonder why people are so dismissive of your posting? The best part is how he keeps quote Powel, the guy who lied to congress about WMDs. Powel, who freely admits he is going to vote for Clinton because Trump is a nightmare. But he said some means stuff about Clinton, so XDaunt loves him. | ||
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hunts
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GreenHorizons
United States24504 Posts
On September 17 2016 06:06 hunts wrote: So GH are you voting for trump or just sitting out? I guess since you're in WA it doesn't matter either way, but just curious. Voting locally, haven't made up my mind on the Presidential race yet. I don't think I can vote for Clinton though, it would be giving the democrats a pass to do whatever they want and never fear losing votes (since republicans have no sign of ever fielding someone palatable). But I think pollsters starting to shift to 2004 electorate models indicates that there's a good chance she has lost a huge chunk of the Obama coalition and turnout will likely be down from '08 and probably '12 too. Edit: Plus Kissinger man... How progressives find themselves cheering on a democrat that's appealing to Kissinger for his support is beyond me. | ||
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hunts
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On September 17 2016 06:08 GreenHorizons wrote: Voting locally, haven't made up my mind on the Presidential race yet. I don't think I can vote for Clinton though, it would be giving the democrats a pass to do whatever they want and never fear losing votes (since republicans have no sign of ever fielding someone palatable). But I think pollsters starting to shift to 2004 electorate models indicates that there's a good chance she has lost a huge chunk of the Obama coalition and turnout will likely be down from '08 and probably '12 too. Aah. Honestly I've said it before but I think Hillary is fine, although not the best, probably not even anywhere close to the best, but at least acceptable. Sadly I'm living in Pullman for now and I don't really care about the local elections here since I'm from the seattle area (bothell then woodinville) and will be moving back once I finish college here anyway. | ||
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Antyee
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The press release on Trump's website ( https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/clintons-2008-campaign-manager-on-whether-they-promoted-rumors-about-obamas ) seems to only bring his getting fired in conrast with Mark Penn not being touched after this 'strategy' memo: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2008/08/penn-strategy-memo-march-19-2008/37952/ Obviously it's not literally the birther movement, but it shows that they targetted his "lack of American roots". | ||
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