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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
"I would rather not have to vote for her, although she is a friend I respect. A 70-year person with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy,not [sic] transformational, with a husband still dicking bimbos at home (according to the NYP)." Source. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
And I have no love for Powel. He was the guy who testified before congress and the UN making the case for the Iraq war. He is the guy who presented the evidence of WMDs and said it was sufficient proof Iraq had them. He convinced the Senate to authorize the war and was never charged or even asking about if he knew it was a lie. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9135 Posts
On September 15 2016 04:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Not so much trust but nobody watches the Mass Media anymore expect for older people in their 60's... We all 'watch' mass media, hell it would be difficult to avoid it even for someone intent on doing so. Information from the likes of CBS, WaPo, Fox News, etc is mass media regardless of whether you see it online or on tv or in print. There's a graph there about age + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/3tq9inhrquecdyh0rjjtua.png) | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
I could easily see big news companies possibly exploring the option of a bailout in a decade or more if they don't change quick enough. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Mercy13
United States718 Posts
sciencedebate.org In particular, I think Trump's response on climate change is pretty funny: There is still much that needs to be investigated in the field of “climate change.” Perhaps the best use of our limited financial resources should be in dealing with making sure that every person in the world has clean water. Perhaps we should focus on eliminating lingering diseases around the world like malaria. Perhaps we should focus on efforts to increase food production to keep pace with an ever-growing world population. Perhaps we should be focused on developing energy sources and power production that alleviates the need for dependence on fossil fuels. We must decide on how best to proceed so that we can make lives better, safer and more prosperous. People complaining that Clinton only talks about Trump and not policy should take a look at her answers. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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KwarK
United States43203 Posts
On September 15 2016 04:40 Mercy13 wrote: A group called ScienceDebate sent 20 science and technology questions to the presidential candidates, and the responses are illuminating: sciencedebate.org In particular, I think Trump's response on climate change is pretty funny: People complaining that Clinton only talks about Trump and not policy should take a look at her answers. Any attack on the Internet should be considered a provocative act that requires the utmost in protection and, at a minimum, a proportional response that identifies and then eliminates threats to our Internet infrastructure. Clinton's answer talked about how the nation needed to respond to the changing nature of warfare due to cyberterrorism and other advanced warfare. Trump thought the question was literally about someone launching a missile at the internet. Although it does make you question the whole "dearie me what is this server all the young kids are talking about" grandma Clinton narrative. Related Trump on government snooping I assume when I pick up my telephone, people are listening to my conversations anyway, you want to know the truth. It’s pretty sad commentary. But I err on the side of security. and for balance Trump on government snooping The United States government should not spy on its own citizens. That will not happen in a Trump administration. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
As for the falling credibility of mass media, I don't see why anyone would be surprised. For months mass media told us that only conspiracy kooks were questioning Hillary's health and that there was no cause for alarm. Clearly there's some egg on their faces now. People on the right have noticed the obvious shilling like this for decades. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On September 15 2016 04:49 xDaunt wrote: We're really talking about two different issues here. Traditional mass media consumption is clearly going down the toilet. Younger generations aren't interested in print newspapers or cable TV -- even those with money. Media consumption is going to be almost strictly online before long. As for the falling credibility of mass media, I don't see why anyone would be surprised. For months mass media told us that only conspiracy kooks were questioning Hillary's health and that there was no cause for alarm. Clearly there's some egg on their faces now. People on the right have noticed the obvious shilling like this for decades. I don't understand how a pneumonia infection Friday/last week makes all previous health questioning valid. That's as silly as people thinking teams bombing out of video game tournaments didn't deserve to be invited or that the winners should have been-it's backwards logic. That said, almost all information is more suspect now than ever. If there's one thing both sides can agree on, it's that the internet is flooded with shills. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On September 15 2016 04:49 xDaunt wrote: We're really talking about two different issues here. Traditional mass media consumption is clearly going down the toilet. Younger generations aren't interested in print newspapers or cable TV -- even those with money. Media consumption is going to be almost strictly online before long. As for the falling credibility of mass media, I don't see why anyone would be surprised. For months mass media told us that only conspiracy kooks were questioning Hillary's health and that there was no cause for alarm. Clearly there's some egg on their faces now. People on the right have noticed the obvious shilling like this for decades. Why do you act like the right doesn't have their MSM shills as well? Mass media were also the ones showing and giving people platforms to talk about Clinton's health. Its not like there were some heros of the internet trying to get the info on her health out there and were shut out. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21947 Posts
Sadly politics is so partisan that a state funded news organization would just become a politician fight over funding. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 15 2016 03:54 xDaunt wrote: Ok, so looking at this in combination with your earlier post about why you're likely to support Hillary, I'd classify you as a "nationalist liberal." And I find it interesting that many of the areas where you agree with Trump are where he's to the left of Hillary. EDIT: I missed this: Like what? That's an interesting grouping. Some grain of truth to it but also very hard to classify people into a group without generalizing to some extent. Liberalism has some utterly foolish ideas that are better seen in Europe, where genuine conservatism is very suppressed, than in the US which is very conservative by Western standards. A few of those include punitive taxes on the wealthy, the "open the floodgates" approach to immigration, economic exploitation of weaker nations through neoliberal economic arrangements, the attitude of "United Europe at any cost, no matter who gets stepped on in the process", an unreasonable aggression against religion and religious values, concept creep of the terms racism/xenophobe/sexist/Islamophobe/etc., an arrogant and short-sighted view of the merits of American hegemony, and so on. Only a few of those issues have crept strongly into the mainstream public policy of the US but they are very much in the mind of many American short-sighted liberals. There needs to be a viable counterbalance to prevent them from implementing the stupid. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 15 2016 04:49 xDaunt wrote: We're really talking about two different issues here. Traditional mass media consumption is clearly going down the toilet. Younger generations aren't interested in print newspapers or cable TV -- even those with money. Media consumption is going to be almost strictly online before long. As for the falling credibility of mass media, I don't see why anyone would be surprised. For months mass media told us that only conspiracy kooks were questioning Hillary's health and that there was no cause for alarm. Clearly there's some egg on their faces now. People on the right have noticed the obvious shilling like this for decades. Any claim that Hilary has some outstanding, terrible health conditions is still baseless speculation. Just like it would be if someone said the same about Trump. Pneumonia doesn’t change that any more than the flu would. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On September 15 2016 04:49 xDaunt wrote: We're really talking about two different issues here. Traditional mass media consumption is clearly going down the toilet. Younger generations aren't interested in print newspapers or cable TV -- even those with money. Media consumption is going to be almost strictly online before long. As for the falling credibility of mass media, I don't see why anyone would be surprised. For months mass media told us that only conspiracy kooks were questioning Hillary's health and that there was no cause for alarm. Clearly there's some egg on their faces now. People on the right have noticed the obvious shilling like this for decades. Yes, egg on their faces for not reporting in July that Hillary would come down with pneumonia in September. That's something that generally falls under "conspiracy kook". | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 15 2016 05:00 WolfintheSheep wrote: Yes, egg on their faces for not reporting in July that Hillary would come down with pneumonia in September. That's something that generally falls under "conspiracy kook". Everytime I hear the word shill from conservatives I find the lack of self awareness astounding.... you would think one would get used to it at some point. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 15 2016 04:56 Gorsameth wrote: The problem with US media is that they are all for profit organizations who need views more then they need 'the truth'. Sadly politics is so partisan that a state funded news organization would just become a politician fight over funding. News long ago stopped being about having a better informed public. The real sign of trouble was the creation of CNN, but you can see it building back in the 70s when they created the left vs right dynamic for ratings. | ||
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