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On September 15 2016 02:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 02:15 xDaunt wrote:On September 15 2016 02:09 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2016 02:05 xDaunt wrote:
If only Democrats showed as much interest in Hillary's health before she publicly collapsed as they are now showing in Trump's health. But hey, inquiries into her health were the stuff of conspiracy theories, right? Yes? Because she has pneumonia.....And people don't give much of a shit about Trumps health, just his choice of venue to get some level of credibility about the records he is releasing. You're still taking at face value what she says about anything that may affect her campaign? Haven't we all seen enough at this point to know that that isn't a good idea? I see little reason to lie at this point, the damage was done already. If she is concealing some horrible medical problem from me, I’m willing to risk that over voting for a self serving bully. I don’t completely trust Clinton. But that is not enough to make me even considering the pro-nationalist, xenophobic nightmare that is Trump and the people supporting him. That is not the path I want America to take.
You don't think that Hillary revealing that she has a serious neurological disorder like Parkinsons or repeated strokes would affect her candidacy?
And I certainly get why you'd vote for Hillary over Trump anyway -- even if she was in a coma. But that's not really the point.
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On September 15 2016 02:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 02:15 xDaunt wrote:On September 15 2016 02:09 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2016 02:05 xDaunt wrote:
If only Democrats showed as much interest in Hillary's health before she publicly collapsed as they are now showing in Trump's health. But hey, inquiries into her health were the stuff of conspiracy theories, right? Yes? Because she has pneumonia.....And people don't give much of a shit about Trumps health, just his choice of venue to get some level of credibility about the records he is releasing. You're still taking at face value what she says about anything that may affect her campaign? Haven't we all seen enough at this point to know that that isn't a good idea? I see little reason to lie at this point, the damage was done already. If she is concealing some horrible medical problem from me, I’m willing to risk that over voting for a self serving bully. I don’t completely trust Clinton. But that is not enough to make me even considering the pro-nationalist, xenophobic nightmare that is Trump and the people supporting him. That is not the path I want America to take.
I feel the same way. Clinton is not a saint, no politician or rich person is. However, she isn't bad either, and honestly I would vote for a wet paper bag over trump. If it was something silly like bernie vs trump or johnson vs trump, trump would look better, but still probably not good enough for me to vote for.
I honestly find myself to be to the right of the democrats on quite a few issues, especially things like what they claim to be racism which I feel often isn't, their problems with the police, minimum wage hikes which aren't always a good thing, and rent controls. However, I find myself utterly unable to vote republican, because every time I look at the republican party it looks more and more batshit crazy and out of touch with reality. I never thought it could get as bad as it is right now, with trump being a candidate, and having the guy from breitbart working for him, and I'm afraid it will only get worse.
When I read these forums, I get the same feeling, I see republicans, alt right, trump supporters, anti democrats, whatever they want to call themselves saying some of the most removed from reality things I've seen, and it makes me sad that the democratic party which I firmly disagree with on many things is the only reasonable option right now.
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On September 15 2016 02:28 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 02:22 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2016 02:15 xDaunt wrote:On September 15 2016 02:09 Plansix wrote:On September 15 2016 02:05 xDaunt wrote:
If only Democrats showed as much interest in Hillary's health before she publicly collapsed as they are now showing in Trump's health. But hey, inquiries into her health were the stuff of conspiracy theories, right? Yes? Because she has pneumonia.....And people don't give much of a shit about Trumps health, just his choice of venue to get some level of credibility about the records he is releasing. You're still taking at face value what she says about anything that may affect her campaign? Haven't we all seen enough at this point to know that that isn't a good idea? I see little reason to lie at this point, the damage was done already. If she is concealing some horrible medical problem from me, I’m willing to risk that over voting for a self serving bully. I don’t completely trust Clinton. But that is not enough to make me even considering the pro-nationalist, xenophobic nightmare that is Trump and the people supporting him. That is not the path I want America to take. You don't think that Hillary revealing that she has a serious neurological disorder like Parkinsons or repeated strokes would affect her candidacy? And I certainly get why you'd vote for Hillary over Trump anyway -- even if she was in a coma. But that's not really the point.
I 100% believe it would effect it and result in her losing. But I also have zero faith in Trump to tell me the same thing. He could have terminal cancer and I wouldn’t know. She could have Parkinsons and I won’t know. The problem with the argument that Clinton is untrustworthy is that Trumps suffers the same issue, but his lies come with a lot more malice and cases of fraud against poor people.
So the point is moot. Both candidates are levels of untrustworthy on this front, so I have chosen the one that isn’t bully trust fund baby with delusions that he is a good business man..
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Dr. Oz's packaging of infotainment and advertising as medical science has probably cost people their lives. The only reason he's still faculty at Columbia is because he actually is competent physician off-air, and I've heard multiple people who got degrees from Columbia say that he's a blight on the image of their institution in academic circles.
His congressional hearings about his misleading claims on-air give Clinton's FBI hearings a run for their money when it comes to "I can't recall" too.
He's the poster child for nonsense non-medicine. Never thought I'd see him defended by the right, Trump sure makes for strange bedfellows.
(also, do people even still watch Dr. Oz after Oprah dumped his radio show? I suppose it's part of Trump's "shoring up middle-aged white women" demographic strategy)
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On September 15 2016 02:17 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 02:13 Danglars wrote:
Between the Clinton family foundation, the emails, and the Clinton health stories, today's voters are getting a very clear picture of the way Hillary Clinton & husband operate and what the next four years could look like. The most transparent election, ever, I swear. No joke, the clear pattern from both of them tells you exactly what you're getting. so you name scandals that were created by the republican media machine and republican lawmakers, that were shot down and proven untrue, and say "see! she's untrustworthy!" This is the equivalent or trump taking a gun, shooting himself in the foot, and going "look what Clinton made me do!"
I freely admit you and others are dragging out the "vast right-wing conspiracy" like Bill Clinton was still getting blowjobs in the White House. I mean the health scandal is not even old, but it's another "shot down and proven untrue" nonscandal scandal in your eyes. And you credit the GOP with creating them? Clinton is the author and sustainer of her own missteps and lies. You're doing the equivalent of saying Trump's position on every issue has been the same from day one, and the Dems have created the impression of a changing policy plan from whole cloth. It's breathtaking and rivals the biggest Reddit/The_Donald Trump supporter.
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On September 15 2016 01:36 oBlade wrote:
He's never going to take it "back" because he believes he won by getting him to release something. That's why he hasn't brought it up for four years, Obama released his birth certificate so that was it. This is not about Trump, it's about not being a hypocrite.
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People who say they reluctantly support Hillary, then go right on ahead and shill for her, don't really have much credibility. Some self-awareness would go a long way in making a valid argument in favor of Hillary that isn't just "but trump so nothing else matters."
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Yea. I will take Clinton's baggage over Trumps's any day. Trump who is apparently so loose with his money he doesn't even know who he gives it to. Ok Trump pick one: you suck ass at business or you bought off people. The guy can't be both an amazing businessman and make those kind of mistakes.
So yeaaaaaaa the whole Trump University situation should sink anyone.....but yea he is getting hit hard by the media. I barely seeven much about how much of a fucking corrupt shit head he has been with pretty much everything attached to Trump University.
Guy laughs about buying people off. When he gets caught just mumbles about mistakes and not paying attention. Fuck you donald trump and the shit you are trying to peddle.
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There are plenty of pro-Hillary, non-reluctant voters who plan to vote for her for reasons other than those associated with Trump. This thread is not a good place to find them, however.
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On September 15 2016 02:48 LegalLord wrote:
People who say they reluctantly support Hillary, then go right on ahead and shill for her, don't really have much credibility. Some self-awareness would go a long way in making a valid argument in favor of Hillary that isn't just "but trump so nothing else matters."
There's nothing wrong with "Hillary or bust" as a position. What's problematic is ignoring or deliberately obfuscating her obvious shortcomings.
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On September 15 2016 02:48 LegalLord wrote:
People who say they reluctantly support Hillary, then go right on ahead and shill for her, don't really have much credibility. Some self-awareness would go a long way in making a valid argument in favor of Hillary that isn't just "but trump so nothing else matters."
which people are that? It's a common problem that we use here to vent our frustrations; so we're complaining about people who aren't here, and there's a lot of people that could be.
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On September 15 2016 02:50 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 02:48 LegalLord wrote:
People who say they reluctantly support Hillary, then go right on ahead and shill for her, don't really have much credibility. Some self-awareness would go a long way in making a valid argument in favor of Hillary that isn't just "but trump so nothing else matters." which people are that? It's a common problem that we use here to vent our frustrations; so we're complaining about people who aren't here, and there's a lot of people that could be.
Pretty much every liberal poster not named LegalLord or Igne.
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both of which are not liberal posters lol.
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On September 15 2016 02:53 farvacola wrote:
both of which are not liberal posters lol.
Would you prefer leftist as a term instead?
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On September 15 2016 02:50 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 02:48 LegalLord wrote:
People who say they reluctantly support Hillary, then go right on ahead and shill for her, don't really have much credibility. Some self-awareness would go a long way in making a valid argument in favor of Hillary that isn't just "but trump so nothing else matters." which people are that? It's a common problem that we use here to vent our frustrations; so we're complaining about people who aren't here, and there's a lot of people that could be.
I won't name names - I don't call people out unless they really, really deserve it - but let's just say that if you are a Hillary supporter who starts with "I don't like Hillary but..." and then go on to use her talking points as if they are reality, hyperbolically deny her most apparent flaws in their entirety (rather than just the hyperbole), and make similar hyperbolic attacks on Trump that are well beyond his real (severe and notable) weaknesses... then I'm talking about you.
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On September 15 2016 02:52 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 02:50 zlefin wrote:On September 15 2016 02:48 LegalLord wrote:
People who say they reluctantly support Hillary, then go right on ahead and shill for her, don't really have much credibility. Some self-awareness would go a long way in making a valid argument in favor of Hillary that isn't just "but trump so nothing else matters." which people are that? It's a common problem that we use here to vent our frustrations; so we're complaining about people who aren't here, and there's a lot of people that could be. Pretty much every liberal poster not named LegalLord or Igne.
I wasn't asking you. I asking the person I quoted.
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On September 15 2016 02:48 LegalLord wrote:
People who say they reluctantly support Hillary, then go right on ahead and shill for her, don't really have much credibility. Some self-awareness would go a long way in making a valid argument in favor of Hillary that isn't just "but trump so nothing else matters."
I think there is a difference between shilling and not buying into every single attack levied against her like it has merit. Or viewing the protected witch hunt in the House as anything but what it is.
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It doesn't matter what you call them because you don't know what you're talking about, you just like to try and curry favor with posters by carving them out from the general class of "everyone who disagrees with xDaunt is an idiot/shill/ignoramus."
A number of posters have identified pro-Hillary positions that are very much aware of Hillary's shortcomings, and no, that list doesn't include igne nor LL.
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On September 15 2016 02:55 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 02:50 zlefin wrote:On September 15 2016 02:48 LegalLord wrote:
People who say they reluctantly support Hillary, then go right on ahead and shill for her, don't really have much credibility. Some self-awareness would go a long way in making a valid argument in favor of Hillary that isn't just "but trump so nothing else matters." which people are that? It's a common problem that we use here to vent our frustrations; so we're complaining about people who aren't here, and there's a lot of people that could be. I won't name names - I don't call people out unless they really, really deserve it - but let's just say that if you are a Hillary supporter who starts with "I don't like Hillary but..." and then go on to use her talking points as if they are reality, hyperbolically deny her most apparent flaws in their entirety (rather than just the hyperbole), and make similar hyperbolic attacks on Trump that are well beyond his real (severe and notable) weaknesses... then I'm talking about you.
so, you're referring to certain people who are in the thread, who you prefer not to name?
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On September 15 2016 02:53 farvacola wrote:
both of which are not liberal posters lol.
They are closer to center than most other people in this thread. If we need to put people into categories.
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