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Amid widespread chatter that Donald Trump could drop out of the presidential race before Election Day, Republican insiders in key battleground states have a message for The Donald: Get out.
That’s according to The POLITICO Caucus — a panel of activists, strategists and operatives in 11 swing states. The majority of GOP insiders, 70 percent, said they want Trump to drop out of the race and be replaced by another Republican candidate — with many citing Trump’s drag on Republicans in down-ballot races. But those insiders still think it’s a long-shot Trump would actually end his campaign and be replaced by another GOP candidate.
“I’d rather take our chances with nearly anyone else than continue with this certain loser who will likely cost the Senate and much more,” said a New Hampshire Republican — who, like all respondents, completed the survey anonymously.
“The effect Trump is having on down-ballot races has the potential to be devastating in November,” added a Florida Republican. “His negative image among Hispanics, women and independents is something that could be devastating to Republicans. Trump’s divisive rhetoric to the Hispanic community at large has the potential to be devastating for years to come.”
Trump has given no indication that he’s considering quitting, and his campaign insists his perseverance is one of his best attributes. But two network reports recently suggested senior GOP leaders were eyeing how that process would work, just in case.
A Trump exit from the race after he’s been formally nominated would trigger a rarely used vacancy rule in the national Republican Party’s rulebook. That rule empowers the Republican National Committee — a 168-member panel that includes three GOP leaders from every state and territory — to select a replacement. The RNC is also authorized to reconvene the national convention, which would be all but logistically impossible.
The RNC is extremely sensitive to any suggestion that it — the party establishment — is attempting to supplant the will of grass-roots Republicans, so invoking this process is already fraught with peril. But if the RNC’s 168 members convened to pick a substitute candidate, each state’s votes would be weighted based on the size of their delegation to last month’s convention.
In this scenario, Republicans would likely struggle to find a consensus nominee, but immediate options would include Sen. Ted Cruz (the runner-up in the GOP primary), Trump running mate Mike Pence and House Speaker Paul Ryan.
Insiders suggested a handful of replacement candidates: A Florida Republican said Ryan “is the only one who can unite the party,” while multiple others plugged Ohio Gov. John Kasich.
That would mean the Republicans just forfeiting the Presidential race and hoping that they somehow hold on to the senate. But the reality is, the moment they do this, they are gonna lose support from the a major part of their own party base who support Trump and automatically lose the Senate as well.
Not gonna happen. Not even the slightest possibility.
Amid widespread chatter that Donald Trump could drop out of the presidential race before Election Day, Republican insiders in key battleground states have a message for The Donald: Get out.
That’s according to The POLITICO Caucus — a panel of activists, strategists and operatives in 11 swing states. The majority of GOP insiders, 70 percent, said they want Trump to drop out of the race and be replaced by another Republican candidate — with many citing Trump’s drag on Republicans in down-ballot races. But those insiders still think it’s a long-shot Trump would actually end his campaign and be replaced by another GOP candidate.
“I’d rather take our chances with nearly anyone else than continue with this certain loser who will likely cost the Senate and much more,” said a New Hampshire Republican — who, like all respondents, completed the survey anonymously.
“The effect Trump is having on down-ballot races has the potential to be devastating in November,” added a Florida Republican. “His negative image among Hispanics, women and independents is something that could be devastating to Republicans. Trump’s divisive rhetoric to the Hispanic community at large has the potential to be devastating for years to come.”
Trump has given no indication that he’s considering quitting, and his campaign insists his perseverance is one of his best attributes. But two network reports recently suggested senior GOP leaders were eyeing how that process would work, just in case.
A Trump exit from the race after he’s been formally nominated would trigger a rarely used vacancy rule in the national Republican Party’s rulebook. That rule empowers the Republican National Committee — a 168-member panel that includes three GOP leaders from every state and territory — to select a replacement. The RNC is also authorized to reconvene the national convention, which would be all but logistically impossible.
The RNC is extremely sensitive to any suggestion that it — the party establishment — is attempting to supplant the will of grass-roots Republicans, so invoking this process is already fraught with peril. But if the RNC’s 168 members convened to pick a substitute candidate, each state’s votes would be weighted based on the size of their delegation to last month’s convention.
In this scenario, Republicans would likely struggle to find a consensus nominee, but immediate options would include Sen. Ted Cruz (the runner-up in the GOP primary), Trump running mate Mike Pence and House Speaker Paul Ryan.
Insiders suggested a handful of replacement candidates: A Florida Republican said Ryan “is the only one who can unite the party,” while multiple others plugged Ohio Gov. John Kasich.
That would mean the Republicans just forfeiting the Presidential race and hoping that they somehow hold on to the senate. But the reality is, the moment they do this, they are gonna lose support from the a major part of their own party base who support Trump and automatically lose the Senate as well.
Not gonna happen. Not even the slightest possibility.
Agreed. They're far better off keeping Trump in and letting down-ballot Senators/Reps in competitive states campaign against him. Especially in every state he didn't pick up in the primary.
But you realize that their ratings are so shit atm? I doubt a lot of them will keep their seats in congress anyways with how many people will vote against them, unless they keep gerrymandering their ass in... which needs to get removed.
On August 06 2016 03:16 ShoCkeyy wrote: But you realize that their ratings are so shit atm? I doubt a lot of them will keep their seats in congress anyways with how many people will vote against them, unless they keep gerrymandering their ass in... which needs to get removed.
Amid widespread chatter that Donald Trump could drop out of the presidential race before Election Day, Republican insiders in key battleground states have a message for The Donald: Get out.
That’s according to The POLITICO Caucus — a panel of activists, strategists and operatives in 11 swing states. The majority of GOP insiders, 70 percent, said they want Trump to drop out of the race and be replaced by another Republican candidate — with many citing Trump’s drag on Republicans in down-ballot races. But those insiders still think it’s a long-shot Trump would actually end his campaign and be replaced by another GOP candidate.
“I’d rather take our chances with nearly anyone else than continue with this certain loser who will likely cost the Senate and much more,” said a New Hampshire Republican — who, like all respondents, completed the survey anonymously.
“The effect Trump is having on down-ballot races has the potential to be devastating in November,” added a Florida Republican. “His negative image among Hispanics, women and independents is something that could be devastating to Republicans. Trump’s divisive rhetoric to the Hispanic community at large has the potential to be devastating for years to come.”
Trump has given no indication that he’s considering quitting, and his campaign insists his perseverance is one of his best attributes. But two network reports recently suggested senior GOP leaders were eyeing how that process would work, just in case.
A Trump exit from the race after he’s been formally nominated would trigger a rarely used vacancy rule in the national Republican Party’s rulebook. That rule empowers the Republican National Committee — a 168-member panel that includes three GOP leaders from every state and territory — to select a replacement. The RNC is also authorized to reconvene the national convention, which would be all but logistically impossible.
The RNC is extremely sensitive to any suggestion that it — the party establishment — is attempting to supplant the will of grass-roots Republicans, so invoking this process is already fraught with peril. But if the RNC’s 168 members convened to pick a substitute candidate, each state’s votes would be weighted based on the size of their delegation to last month’s convention.
In this scenario, Republicans would likely struggle to find a consensus nominee, but immediate options would include Sen. Ted Cruz (the runner-up in the GOP primary), Trump running mate Mike Pence and House Speaker Paul Ryan.
Insiders suggested a handful of replacement candidates: A Florida Republican said Ryan “is the only one who can unite the party,” while multiple others plugged Ohio Gov. John Kasich.
That would mean the Republicans just forfeiting the Presidential race and hoping that they somehow hold on to the senate. But the reality is, the moment they do this, they are gonna lose support from the a major part of their own party base who support Trump and automatically lose the Senate as well.
Not gonna happen. Not even the slightest possibility.
Agreed. They're far better off keeping Trump in and letting down-ballot Senators/Reps in competitive states campaign against him. Especially in every state he didn't pick up in the primary.
Campaign against your own nominee and you'll get about the same result as Democrats in 2014 who didn't endorse Obama strongly enough and tried to distance themselves from him.
Yep. If you took the average approval rating of each Congressman in their own district/state it's far far higher than 20%.
For example, that one congressperson that is running for re-election who refused to endorse Trump and that he said was "doing worse" than him who is beating him by like 7% in the polls now.
Amid widespread chatter that Donald Trump could drop out of the presidential race before Election Day, Republican insiders in key battleground states have a message for The Donald: Get out.
That’s according to The POLITICO Caucus — a panel of activists, strategists and operatives in 11 swing states. The majority of GOP insiders, 70 percent, said they want Trump to drop out of the race and be replaced by another Republican candidate — with many citing Trump’s drag on Republicans in down-ballot races. But those insiders still think it’s a long-shot Trump would actually end his campaign and be replaced by another GOP candidate.
“I’d rather take our chances with nearly anyone else than continue with this certain loser who will likely cost the Senate and much more,” said a New Hampshire Republican — who, like all respondents, completed the survey anonymously.
“The effect Trump is having on down-ballot races has the potential to be devastating in November,” added a Florida Republican. “His negative image among Hispanics, women and independents is something that could be devastating to Republicans. Trump’s divisive rhetoric to the Hispanic community at large has the potential to be devastating for years to come.”
Trump has given no indication that he’s considering quitting, and his campaign insists his perseverance is one of his best attributes. But two network reports recently suggested senior GOP leaders were eyeing how that process would work, just in case.
A Trump exit from the race after he’s been formally nominated would trigger a rarely used vacancy rule in the national Republican Party’s rulebook. That rule empowers the Republican National Committee — a 168-member panel that includes three GOP leaders from every state and territory — to select a replacement. The RNC is also authorized to reconvene the national convention, which would be all but logistically impossible.
The RNC is extremely sensitive to any suggestion that it — the party establishment — is attempting to supplant the will of grass-roots Republicans, so invoking this process is already fraught with peril. But if the RNC’s 168 members convened to pick a substitute candidate, each state’s votes would be weighted based on the size of their delegation to last month’s convention.
In this scenario, Republicans would likely struggle to find a consensus nominee, but immediate options would include Sen. Ted Cruz (the runner-up in the GOP primary), Trump running mate Mike Pence and House Speaker Paul Ryan.
Insiders suggested a handful of replacement candidates: A Florida Republican said Ryan “is the only one who can unite the party,” while multiple others plugged Ohio Gov. John Kasich.
That would mean the Republicans just forfeiting the Presidential race and hoping that they somehow hold on to the senate. But the reality is, the moment they do this, they are gonna lose support from the a major part of their own party base who support Trump and automatically lose the Senate as well.
Not gonna happen. Not even the slightest possibility.
Agreed. They're far better off keeping Trump in and letting down-ballot Senators/Reps in competitive states campaign against him. Especially in every state he didn't pick up in the primary.
Campaign against your own nominee and you'll get about the same result as Democrats in 2014 who didn't endorse Obama strongly enough and tried to distance themselves from him.
Every Democrat who lost a competitive seats in 2014 was boned, whether they distanced themselves or not. Their biggest asset constituent-wise voted far less than they did in 2012, it crippled their chances.
Trump supporters will still vote in 2016, and they'll probably even still vote for people that don't support Trump just because they have an "R" next to their names.
Will be fun seeing Clinton elected as I don't like Usa, I am totally fine with it, or I should say: I would be fine with it if I would not be in the same planet, the perspective of a cold war between China/ Russia and the nice and good looking liberals Americans is worrying me a lot because the latters seem right know crazier than any dictators. If only I was an illumined absolutely sure that I am in the good side, it might be easier though.
A raft of new polls out this week carried almost unanimously good news for Hillary Clinton, staking the Democratic presidential nominee to significant leads over Donald Trump. But there’s one potential warning sign in these polls should the race narrow: Clinton’s lead over Trump shrinks when voters are allowed to choose one of the major third-party candidates in the race.
Yet the Libertarian Party’s presidential ticket — composed of former GOP Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico and former GOP Gov. Bill Weld of Massachusetts — appears to draw more from voters who might otherwise be aligned with Clinton, especially younger voters.
The same is true of Green Party nominee Jill Stein — though to a lesser degree, since Stein doesn’t earn nearly the same level of support as Johnson.
Here’s why Democrats should be concerned: As Trump’s support has dwindled in recent days — leaving the GOP nominee with just his fervent supporters — some soft voters might be moving into Clinton’s camp when asked on a two-way ballot, but defecting to a third candidate when given other options.
“Trump voters are mainly Trump voters, but Clinton voters are still not quite happy that they’re going to end up voting for her,” said Monmouth University pollster Patrick Murray, who has studied the role of third-party candidates in pre-election polls.
On August 06 2016 02:49 zlefin wrote: Some people just like to live very cheaply, and don't need that much stuff. Content personality trait ftw! (ck2 reference)
most people in cities spend money on services/rent/experiences not "stuff". the "i dont need to spend money on stuff" line of thought is only really appropriate when you live in cheap suburban sprawl or if you are an acquisitive baby boomer
some people don't care so much for services/experiences; though rent of course costs a lot.
The GOP wanting Trump to drop out is strategically questionable but somewhat likely. However, Trump agreeing to drop out seems very strange to me. He can't damage his reputation much further, and if he takes the time to sit down and draw a reasonable, serious and disciplined strategy with experienced people from the GOP, a strategy that involves his anti-establishment/fuck-human-decency stance while watering it down with more consensual views that appeals to regular GOP voters and independant, he might make the race not too one-sided. But dropping out would definitely kill any political future for him, make sure he's remembered as a joke, and surely damage his business.
Interviewer: Khan says you don't know sacrifice. What do you say to that?
Trump: Compared to him? I don't know sacrifice. His family made the ultimate, most honorable sacrifice you can make. But compared to Crooked Hilary, I know much more about sacrifice than she does. This is true for all topics. She knows nothing.
On August 06 2016 03:41 OtherWorld wrote: The GOP wanting Trump to drop out is strategically questionable but somewhat likely. However, Trump agreeing to drop out seems very strange to me. He can't damage his reputation much further, and if he takes the time to sit down and draw a reasonable, serious and disciplined strategy with experienced people from the GOP, a strategy that involves his anti-establishment/fuck-human-decency stance while watering it down with more consensual views that appeals to regular GOP voters and independant, he might make the race not too one-sided. But dropping out would definitely kill any political future for him, make sure he's remembered as a joke, and surely damage his business.
That assumes he is able to control his ego. He has shown no reason to believe he can.
Out of all the ridiculous things that Donald Trump has said and done, I think the most hypocritical, ironic, and game-ending disaster for him is the fact the Melania Trump illegally worked in America without the correct visa, which means she's a criminal and possibly an illegal immigrant.
On August 06 2016 03:51 Mohdoo wrote: Imagine if this happened:
Interviewer: Khan says you don't know sacrifice. What do you say to that?
Trump: Compared to him? I don't know sacrifice. His family made the ultimate, most honorable sacrifice you can make. But compared to Crooked Hilary, I know much more about sacrifice than she does. This is true for all topics. She knows nothing.
How different would things be looking right now
Incompatible, probably took everything he had not to say he's sacrificed more than anyone.
Meanwhile... When you accidentally admit you were breaking the rules during the primary you're saying was conducted according to the rules.
EDIT: If somehow Ivanka did replace Trump (she would be of age by the time of the vote) I think anyone arguing about voting for Hillary as "the lesser evil" would have to vote for Ivanka. Hell, I'd probably voter for her over Hillary too.
I still wouldn't be declaring victory, there's still 3 months to go. The polls that are a head to head are meaningless compared to polls that include Johnson and Stein.
On August 06 2016 04:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Out of all the ridiculous things that Donald Trump has said and done, I think the most hypocritical, ironic, and game-ending disaster for him is the fact the Melania Trump illegally worked in America without the correct visa, which means she's a criminal and possibly an illegal immigrant.
On August 06 2016 02:49 zlefin wrote: Some people just like to live very cheaply, and don't need that much stuff. Content personality trait ftw! (ck2 reference)
most people in cities spend money on services/rent/experiences not "stuff". the "i dont need to spend money on stuff" line of thought is only really appropriate when you live in cheap suburban sprawl or if you are an acquisitive baby boomer
Average salaries are adjusted for cost of living. If rent is more then you should be earning more. And I could spend my surplus on a bigger house but then I'd need to go to IKEA or whatever and furnish it and then clean it and do things that justify having all this extra space and create a home gym and then buy gym equipment and redo a kitchen and again it's just a second job. To me the idea of spending all this extra money is actually unpleasant. Much better to let it earn more money which is set up to automatically reinvest.
On August 06 2016 04:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Out of all the ridiculous things that Donald Trump has said and done, I think the most hypocritical, ironic, and game-ending disaster for him is the fact the Melania Trump illegally worked in America without the correct visa, which means she's a criminal and possibly an illegal immigrant.
On August 06 2016 04:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Out of all the ridiculous things that Donald Trump has said and done, I think the most hypocritical, ironic, and game-ending disaster for him is the fact the Melania Trump illegally worked in America without the correct visa, which means she's a criminal and possibly an illegal immigrant.
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