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farvacola
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OuchyDathurts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22291 Posts
On August 06 2016 00:25 farvacola wrote: I think there is good reason to think that Trump may go through with avoiding the debates altogether, particularly if the downward spiral continues. It will bury him just even harder then showing up will. He could afford to skip the last primary debate because he was winning and he could let the others attack each other while he sat out. He doesn't not have that luxury anymore. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22291 Posts
On August 06 2016 00:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Oh absolutely. There needs to be some sort of rule saying that you need to formally debate your opponents at least 2-3 times or else you're ineligible to win. The only way Trump can win is if he's still allowed to dodge responsibility and accountability and the reality that he needs to be able to think for himself. How is he going to dodge responsibility when every media platform will be repeating "Trump pulls out of debates"? | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
On August 06 2016 00:31 Gorsameth wrote: How is he going to dodge responsibility when every media platform will be repeating "Trump pulls out of debates"? The idea is that Trump's campaign may decide that the less he speaks, the better his chances, which would call his debate participation into question. While you're right to suggest that avoiding debates may be a sort of death knell in itself, the past week has shown us that Trump's campaign may already be close enough to death to justify such a thing. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
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Doodsmack
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45708 Posts
On August 06 2016 00:31 Gorsameth wrote: How is he going to dodge responsibility when every media platform will be repeating "Trump pulls out of debates"? Something like "the media is rigging everything blah blah blah". On August 06 2016 00:33 Doodsmack wrote: I'd like to see Trump in a one on one debate about the issues, rather than him talking about polls and the border. Against a crying baby or...? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45708 Posts
On August 06 2016 00:42 Doodsmack wrote: Let's not call Trump dead yet. I don't think that has happened. I don't think it's happened yet, but I think it might happen soon. Everyone- including his campaign staff- is tired of Trump. Do we think that Trump will even make it to November, especially considering the fact that he'll try to dodge all of the debates? | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On August 06 2016 00:42 Doodsmack wrote: Let's not call Trump dead yet. I don't think that has happened. His party is abandoning him. It's pretty hard to win an election when your own people hate you and you appear to be genetically engineered to always do the wrong thing. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The city of Flint is on an “upward trend” after a two-year water crisis, its mayor said on Thursday. Karen Weaver also said, however, that the Michigan city will need financial aid to fix problems stemming from widespread lead contamination. In her first state of the city speech, Weaver said a revitalization of Flint had been under way before the water crisis emerged. “Entrepreneurship was taking hold,” she said, “along with a growing faith in the future.” Opening her 35-minute address at Flint city hall, Weaver said: “While I’m well aware of many of the hurdles Flint still has to overcome, I want to start off by saying that we are making progress.” For one thing, she said, the people of Flint have regained control of their government after state-appointed emergency managers ran the city from 2011-2015. Residents have said the appointments by Michigan governor Rick Snyder were chiefly to blame for the water crisis. In summer 2013, an emergency manager moved to switch the city’s water source to a polluted river. Weaver acknowledged that a Snyder adviser, in the room for her speech, had been a designated point-person in the recovery efforts. The speech came after criminal charges were filed by the Michigan attorney general’s office. Half a dozen state environmental and health workers were charged with felonies and misdemeanors for their alleged involvement in exacerbating the water crisis. Source | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On August 06 2016 00:47 OuchyDathurts wrote: His party is abandoning him. It's pretty hard to win an election when your own people hate you and you appear to be genetically engineered to always do the wrong thing. When Paul Ryan abandons Trump, we can call it. But until Ryan officially distances himself (I don't think he will), there is still somewhat of a campaign happening. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9202 Posts
On August 06 2016 00:47 OuchyDathurts wrote: His party is abandoning him. It's pretty hard to win an election when your own people hate you and you appear to be genetically engineered to always do the wrong thing. Let's not count our chicken just yet, Hillary is more than capable of screwing this up and I doubt there won't be a couple more scandals until November. | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/29d7tbD.png) Taken from 538's now-cast (who would win if election held today). I can't see it getting better from here. Clinton just needs to keep her mouth shut and let Trump keep digging his own grave and she'll cruise to victory. How's Trump going to win when he not only has the Democratic party running against him but also Priebus, Ryan, McCain, et al. as well? Bets on a Reagan/Mondale style blowout? | ||
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pmh
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But seeing how the whole establishment is so anti trump I expect them to be rigged to a certain extend as well (for example only Clinton supporters in the audience ready to boo everything trumps say, or the line and nature of the questions. lots of options there to make it very difficult for trump) But ya, the race is over at this point. The media did a marvelous job in manufacturing consent. O well. Would not be the least surprised if the republicans then try to impeach Clinton in the next year or the year after. Based on currently not known info about email or whatever. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On August 05 2016 23:50 Gorsameth wrote: I don't believe it is the leader endorsement. No one outside of Washington cares about that. No, Trump made the mistake of treading on the most sacred of grounds. Veterans and those who died in service of the USA. His attack on the family of a dead US soldier is what finally broke the camels back. I find it pretty interesting that this attack disgusted a lot of voters, while his attack implying McCain was a loser because he had been captured and tortured in Vietnam didn't create enough disgust to bury his primary chances. Makes little sense to me. | ||
KwarK
United States43960 Posts
On August 06 2016 00:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Oh absolutely. There needs to be some sort of rule saying that you need to formally debate your opponents at least 2-3 times or else you're ineligible to win. The only way Trump can win is if he's still allowed to dodge responsibility and accountability and the reality that he needs to be able to think for himself. You understand that'd need to be a constitutional amendment, right? And that constitutional amendments aren't normally for small things like that? You've combined petty and a fundamental rule for the governing of the United States into one proposed change. | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On August 06 2016 01:01 OtherWorld wrote: I find it pretty interesting that this attack disgusted a lot of voters, while his attack implying McCain was a loser because he had been captured and tortured in Vietnam didn't create enough disgust to bury his primary chances. Makes little sense to me. I think it says a lot about Republican primary voters vs general public. | ||
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