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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
August 05 2016 02:14 GMT
#93041
Zimmerman punched, Roof beat up, Trump imploding, not too shabby for some karmic birthday presents for Obama.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42655 Posts
August 05 2016 03:52 GMT
#93042
On August 05 2016 10:00 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 09:09 TheYango wrote:
I'm actually kind of surprised that Johnson still has an 7 point lead over Stein in that age bracket, since 18-29 seems like the age range most likely to vote Green and least likely to vote Libertarian.


Trust me, young people are by far the most likely to vote Libertarian. Green as well, but those are very different young people.

I mean idealistically I like the libertarians and I think their vision for the world would be pretty great, but only operating in the social and economic equivalent of a frictionless vacuum for physicists. Where they lose me is when you point out that their model isn't a reflection of reality and then they double down on dogma. But in theory they can sign me up and probably would have signed me up 10 years ago.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
August 05 2016 04:46 GMT
#93043
I've lost a lot of respect for Trump over the past week or so
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-05 04:55:27
August 05 2016 04:49 GMT
#93044
I would not at all be surprised if there were a lot of young libertarians. Before there was the Sanders people making themselves known online, there was the Ron Paul folks. They weren't as successful in the primaries, but they were just as active online, plus all those 'money bombs.'

edit.
Yeah, this has been a pretty bad week for Trump.
If the Clinton campaign could figure out how to intentionally get him to dance to their tune, they could have him boxing at everything but Hillary (mixed metaphors for the win). He seems to react to everything like a kitten batting a toy, so if you could throw enough sympathetic people at him to take one pot shot at him, he currently seems to lack much in the way of self control and would lash out at the next thing that crossed his path. Throw everyone at him but Hillary and see what happens.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 05 2016 04:51 GMT
#93045
I've always seen him mostly as a "fuck you" to the Republican Party. Doing a great job in that role.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
August 05 2016 04:51 GMT
#93046
Does anyone see a path for Trump to the white House that doesn't involve an enormous Clinton scandal? I feel like he either wins by default or loses lol
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5583 Posts
August 05 2016 04:53 GMT
#93047
On August 05 2016 13:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I've lost a lot of respect for Trump over the past week or so

Did they run out of MAGA hats again?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13925 Posts
August 05 2016 05:01 GMT
#93048
On August 05 2016 13:51 Mohdoo wrote:
Does anyone see a path for Trump to the white House that doesn't involve an enormous Clinton scandal? I feel like he either wins by default or loses lol

I've seen a lot of werid polls coming out with trump being slightly competitive in some bluer states and hillary in some redder states.

conventional wisdom regarding the election doesn't really apply this season. I'd wait until 538 can stiffen up the picture a bit.

but to answer your question directly I can see Hillarys campaign struggling with turnout and trump not having the independents breaking for him with equal measure.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44313 Posts
August 05 2016 05:06 GMT
#93049
On August 05 2016 13:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I've lost a lot of respect for Trump over the past week or so


Out of curiosity, which of his statements or actions did you find particularly disappointing?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
August 05 2016 05:19 GMT
#93050
On August 05 2016 14:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 13:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I've lost a lot of respect for Trump over the past week or so


Out of curiosity, which of his statements or actions did you find particularly disappointing?


he lost it when he got hired by Correct the Record :^)
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
August 05 2016 07:24 GMT
#93051
On August 05 2016 13:51 Mohdoo wrote:
Does anyone see a path for Trump to the white House that doesn't involve an enormous Clinton scandal? I feel like he either wins by default or loses lol

He'd need to realize that the primaries are over and that he needs to act intelligently now
Apparently that's pretty hard to do for him
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-05 07:28:26
August 05 2016 07:24 GMT
#93052
Obamacare insurers seek premium hikes of up to 45% in Illinois.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20160802/NEWS03/160809970/illinois-insurers-seek-obamacare-premium-hikes-of-up-to-45-percent

(AP)—Health insurance premiums for Illinois residents who buy coverage through the Affordable Care Act's marketplace could increase by as much as 45 percent according to proposals submitted by insurers.

The leading insurer on Illinois' exchange, Blue Cross Blue Shield, is proposing increases for 2017 ranging from 23 percent to 45 percent for individual health care plans, according to proposals posted by Heathcare.gov. Another insurer, Coventry Health Care of Illinois, proposed rate increases as high as 21 percent.

Harken Health Insurance Company has proposed a nearly 29 percent hike in individual premiums and Health Alliance Medical Plans Inc. a more than 28 percent increase.

"However, that must be done in a sustainable way," the statement said. "Premium rates must cover the anticipated health care needs of our members, and consumer protections exist in the way of rebates if a certain percent of premiums do not go directly to covering medical services and quality programs. "

The proposed hikes have been expected because the health care law has been a financial drain for many companies.



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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
August 05 2016 07:29 GMT
#93053
Also, a question to people who know how the GOP works : what exactly, rules-wise, does being the GOP nominee mean? As in, could the Republicans hypothetically withdraw their support, both financial and political, and nominate someone else now that Trump's nominated?
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Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-05 08:03:27
August 05 2016 08:01 GMT
#93054
On August 05 2016 16:29 OtherWorld wrote:
Also, a question to people who know how the GOP works : what exactly, rules-wise, does being the GOP nominee mean? As in, could the Republicans hypothetically withdraw their support, both financial and political, and nominate someone else now that Trump's nominated?


From there own rules it would be really hard to dump trump by any means unless he withdraws himself

[quote]t “the Republican National Committee is hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all vacancies which may occur by reason of death, declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate for President of the United States or the Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States.”[./quote]

They literally have no rule about outright removing a candidate so they would have to create a new one just to do that. And i can Guarantee trump would take them to court if they did. They can only fill vacancies

Then there is the matter of state rules about ballots and the EC even if they could get trump out. Some states have laws that let the vote go to the party so they could just give the votes that trump would get to whoever they get to replace him but some states say the votes have to go to the person, does not matter if they are kicked. So if trump wanted to stay the Republicans would have to go to court to get the votes taken away from trump.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 05 2016 08:10 GMT
#93055
LAS VEGAS — Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid is quick to warn Hillary Clinton and her campaign of over-confidence in her battle against Donald Trump, but he expects the Democratic nominee to campaign in both Georgia and Arizona — both traditionally Republican states at the presidential level — before November.

“If you look at Georgia — Georgia, last re-elect for President Obama, he never stepped foot in Georgia, but yet he lost by about three percent. Georgia’s Hillary Clinton’s, and I’m glad she’s going to be campaigning there,” the Nevada senator told reporters here, noting that he also expects Clinton to campaign in Arizona. After introducing the Democratic nominee at a campaign rally held in an IBEW hall here, Reid also praised the campaign and super PAC’s decision to scale back advertising in Colorado and Virginia, which look to be trending Clinton’s way.

“This is unbelievable. Utah. Utah! Utah — you know, they don’t like Trump — he’s their nominee. I know that’s far-fetched, but I think they’re going to be sending people out to Utah."

“I hope the map is expanded,” he added, repeatedly cautioning that he wants Democrats not to grow too optimistic about their chances. “That’d be good for the country."


Source
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DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-05 08:14:47
August 05 2016 08:10 GMT
#93056
On August 05 2016 13:51 Mohdoo wrote:
Does anyone see a path for Trump to the white House that doesn't involve an enormous Clinton scandal? I feel like he either wins by default or loses lol


I think it would take something MAJOR for her to lose.

Like a career of dubious business dealings to enrich her and her husband's foundation, or constant lies and blatant pandering, an extremely spotty voting record of things Democrats care about, or maybe it turns out that the primaries were rigged heavily against her opponent.

Honestly, she's done so much shady shit, Americans who matter don't care about ethics in their elected politicians and those who do care don't matter.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
August 05 2016 08:48 GMT
#93057
On August 05 2016 13:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I've lost a lot of respect for Trump over the past week or so

Really? I always thought he was a great guy.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
August 05 2016 08:56 GMT
#93058
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2016/08/04/us/04reuters-usa-election-clinteastwood.html

Clint Eastwood, the 86-year-old four-time Oscar winner, excoriated the current generation of Americans as weak and overly sensitive while backing Donald Trump even though the Republican presidential hopeful has "said a lot of dumb things."

Eastwood, a prominent celebrity supporter of the Republican Party who appeared at its 2012 U.S. presidential nominating convention, offered a harsh assessment of Americans in an interview with Esquire magazine published on Wednesday.

"He's onto something because secretly everybody's getting tired of political correctness, kissing up," the acclaimed actor and director said of Trump. "That's the kiss-ass generation we're in right now. We're really in a pussy generation. Everybody's walking on eggshells."
Dating thread on TL LUL
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
August 05 2016 09:03 GMT
#93059
On August 05 2016 09:36 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2016 08:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Full statement here. It is scathing, no holds barred.

I likes when they used some parts of the indenpendence day president speech, but definitly didn't manage to make it. Anyways hillary will most likely win, and GGtemplar as i understand the pain on being dissapointed by a politician you believe will do good and you defended, i dont mind withdrawing the ban bet if you please mate.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
August 05 2016 09:09 GMT
#93060
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/04/hackers-for-hillary-attendance-black-hat-conference-trump

Oh and now hackers and cyber security folks are taking side for Hillary.

Curiously, asking America's most prominent ennemy to hack the US democracy was not a great idea at the end..

Man.. That's one hell of a trainwreck. Trump seem to be taking the grand slam of alienating every single category of the population..
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
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