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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On July 26 2016 06:51 ticklishmusic wrote: People seem to be unable to disagree or debate in an adult manner. I call people children when they act and sound like children. It's a pretty easy distinction to make, unless of course you're a child.  Okay tough guy whatever you say | ||
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Sermokala
United States14102 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 26 2016 06:53 Sermokala wrote: I mean the thing that pisses me off is that I could vote for hillary is she said she was going to support and continue the policies that she supported and helped when bill clinton was in office. Everyone could come togeather and say "hey those days were really fucking good right lets get more of that yeah?" But instead theres nothing like that and we get this shitty campaign that no one has anything positive to say about hillary other then "not drumpf" Its because Trump doesn't talk about policy beyond "I will break bad deals and make better deals. I will make all the deals and they will be great. The jobs are coming back." Which is cool if you don't think about it for more than a minute. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45260 Posts
On July 26 2016 06:53 Sermokala wrote: I mean the thing that pisses me off is that I could vote for hillary is she said she was going to support and continue the policies that she supported and helped when bill clinton was in office. Everyone could come togeather and say "hey those days were really fucking good right lets get more of that yeah?" But instead theres nothing like that and we get this shitty campaign that no one has anything positive to say about hillary other then "not drumpf" I like this list, personally: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YGHxhAf.jpg) | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 26 2016 06:53 Sermokala wrote: I mean the thing that pisses me off is that I could vote for hillary is she said she was going to support and continue the policies that she supported and helped when bill clinton was in office. Everyone could come togeather and say "hey those days were really fucking good right lets get more of that yeah?" But instead theres nothing like that and we get this shitty campaign that no one has anything positive to say about hillary other then "not drumpf" It's pretty funny--people talk about how mismanaged Trump's campaign is and how it reflects poorly on his ability to "find the best people". But Hillary's campaign has to be astronomically more mismanaged if she actually manages to lose this election, given how much of an advantage she started with. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On July 26 2016 06:53 Sermokala wrote: I mean the thing that pisses me off is that I could vote for hillary is she said she was going to support and continue the policies that she supported and helped when bill clinton was in office. Everyone could come togeather and say "hey those days were really fucking good right lets get more of that yeah?" But instead theres nothing like that and we get this shitty campaign that no one has anything positive to say about hillary other then "not drumpf" Agreed, though while I think those policies would be alright, Bill Clinton might be a bit unfavorable at the advent of TPP and all that, and Trump complaining about NAFTA all the time. Unfortunately (depends how you look at it), all that the Democrats have going for them is the never Trump, and I truly believe that once more people get some more exposure to him in debates and just general care... They'll be like hey, this isn't the monster hitler that wants nobody but the 1% and white men to have rights, and they'll jump on board. I think the more the DNC tries to vilify him, the better it will play for Trump, because while he has so undesirable traits, he's so god damn far from the current description that they are trying to make of him. | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
It is from there that I can justify voting for Democrats and will continue to do so | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
This is a solid list and Trump and the RNC support none of those. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On July 26 2016 06:46 DeepElemBlues wrote: Trump destroyed everyone in the GOP debates except Ted Cruz in like 2 debates and Marco Rubio in 1 debate. He trolled so hard that they just couldn't keep up with him or maintain their balance and message. They were gotten to so hard and it showed, particularly guys like Jeb Bush. He's going to do the same to Hillary, it is up to her to keep her cool because if she doesn't... her main advantage over him is she is supposed to be the mature and professional adult. She loses that perception and she's in big trouble. Trump didn't get a substantial poll bounce from any of the debates as far as I know, so I don't know why you think he destroyed them (bar silly online polls about who won). Most of them consisted of people "foot-in-mouthing" their way out of the election. I guess I just feel like the debates were always about "who lost" rather than "who won." I don't think he did much trolling of other candidates either. He was generally pretty subdued during them actually, no huge slam dunk sound bites came out of him-those came from Christie if they came at all. As you say later, the biggest pitfall will definitely be if the moderators take sides (like they clearly were in some of the MSNBC debates) which allows Trump to monopolize bonus time and force one of the few messages he can talk at length about without struggling. On July 26 2016 06:52 Nevuk wrote: Aww, Bernie thinks any of these people care about him in the slightest. That fell by the wayside when you let the Clinton hatred fester in your campaign and insular communities despite saying otherwise in the debates. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
also I don't think MLK was a republican or a democrat, was he? | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On July 26 2016 06:57 FiWiFaKi wrote: Agreed, though while I think those policies would be alright, Bill Clinton might be a bit unfavorable at the advent of TPP and all that, and Trump complaining about NAFTA all the time. Unfortunately (depends how you look at it), all that the Democrats have going for them is the never Trump, and I truly believe that once more people get some more exposure to him in debates and just general care... They'll be like hey, this isn't the monster hitler that wants nobody but the 1% and white men to have rights, and they'll jump on board. I think the more the DNC tries to vilify him, the better it will play for Trump, because while he has so undesirable traits, he's so god damn far from the current description that they are trying to make of him. Climate change is on the democrats side for sure. Thats one area I hope Trump will change his stance on. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
Uhh... Do you think that he's just going to tear it all down? Fear mongering at best. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 26 2016 07:02 FiWiFaKi wrote: Uhh... Do you think that he's just going to tear it all down? Fear mongering at best. The RNC is against all of those things. They might back off of social security, but everything else they oppose. The vow every election to overturn Roe v Wade. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45260 Posts
On July 26 2016 07:00 CorsairHero wrote: Climate change is on the democrats side for sure. Thats one area I hope Trump will change his stance on. Also, I'm pretty sure that Tim Kaine is on the side of "cigarettes can kill you and Disney probably isn't a liberal feminist propaganda machine". That's a +1 too imo. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 26 2016 07:02 FiWiFaKi wrote: Uhh... Do you think that he's just going to tear it all down? Fear mongering at best. More than a few of those extend beyond just Trump but to the Republican agenda at large. Saying he'll tear all of it down is a gross exaggeration, but basically any Republican government would do more harm than good to the "progressive movement" given the state of the party. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On July 26 2016 07:00 CorsairHero wrote: Climate change is on the democrats side for sure. Thats one area I hope Trump will change his stance on. I think a lot of TLers are split on EPA and the environment. I think that the status quo, or a little bit less environment protection than currently is ideal (for me). I don't expect Trump to tear down all environmental policy, and will repeal a couple acts, leave and be less eager to join some international conventions like Kyoto or Paris, etc. | ||
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farvacola
United States18846 Posts
On July 26 2016 07:04 amazingxkcd wrote: To me, you're either voting for hillary because you rather ignore the insurmountable corruption surrounding her and her clinton foundation, focusing on feelings or you vote for trump to fix said corruptions and remove her taint from DC Assuming that there is only one reason for voting for the other candidate is stupid. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45260 Posts
On July 26 2016 07:02 FiWiFaKi wrote: Uhh... Do you think that he's just going to tear it all down? Fear mongering at best. ? Trump and the Republican Party are against these acts and reforms. They actively campaign against them, and they regularly threaten to remove them (or try to). It's not fearmongering; it's completely appropriate fear. | ||
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