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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 20 2016 09:59 GMT
#87081
On July 20 2016 18:00 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 16:09 Shingi11 wrote:
Trump could seek new law to purge government of Obama appointees

If he wins the presidency, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump would seek to purge the federal government of officials appointed by Democratic President Barack Obama and could ask Congress to pass legislation making it easier to fire public workers, Trump ally, Chris Christie, said on Tuesday.
Christie, who is governor of New Jersey and leads Trump's White House transition team, said the campaign was drawing up a list of federal government employees to fire if Trump defeats Democratic rival Hillary Clinton in the Nov. 8 presidential election


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-purge-exclusive-idUSKCN10003A

Maybe they will do that after the execute hillary for crimes against the state. I dont understand how we give go from giving romney the third degree for 2 off color but harmless comments to letting letting trump and his team get away with basically being Erdogan. In a little under 4 years at that.


If this news is accurate, this is terrifying to me.

The man has zero respect for the rule of law, so of course this would be his plan.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 12:51:51
July 20 2016 12:51 GMT
#87082
On July 20 2016 16:09 Shingi11 wrote:
Trump could seek new law to purge government of Obama appointees

Show nested quote +
If he wins the presidency, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump would seek to purge the federal government of officials appointed by Democratic President Barack Obama and could ask Congress to pass legislation making it easier to fire public workers, Trump ally, Chris Christie, said on Tuesday.
Christie, who is governor of New Jersey and leads Trump's White House transition team, said the campaign was drawing up a list of federal government employees to fire if Trump defeats Democratic rival Hillary Clinton in the Nov. 8 presidential election


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-purge-exclusive-idUSKCN10003A

Maybe they will do that after the execute hillary for crimes against the state. I dont understand how we give go from giving romney the third degree for 2 off color but harmless comments to letting letting trump and his team get away with basically being Erdogan. In a little under 4 years at that.


Scary, but I'd like to think that even Congress wouldn't go along with something like this. Ultimately it could be their (the Republicans) demise as well, post-Trump.

Like most things he's said, it isn't founded in reality or practicality. Of course he can still find other ways to do irreparable damage to our country.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 20 2016 13:02 GMT
#87083
On July 20 2016 21:51 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 16:09 Shingi11 wrote:
Trump could seek new law to purge government of Obama appointees

If he wins the presidency, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump would seek to purge the federal government of officials appointed by Democratic President Barack Obama and could ask Congress to pass legislation making it easier to fire public workers, Trump ally, Chris Christie, said on Tuesday.
Christie, who is governor of New Jersey and leads Trump's White House transition team, said the campaign was drawing up a list of federal government employees to fire if Trump defeats Democratic rival Hillary Clinton in the Nov. 8 presidential election


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-purge-exclusive-idUSKCN10003A

Maybe they will do that after the execute hillary for crimes against the state. I dont understand how we give go from giving romney the third degree for 2 off color but harmless comments to letting letting trump and his team get away with basically being Erdogan. In a little under 4 years at that.


Scary, but I'd like to think that even Congress wouldn't go along with something like this. Ultimately it could be their (the Republicans) demise as well, post-Trump.

Like most things he's said, it isn't founded in reality or practicality. Of course he can still find other ways to do irreparable damage to our country.


Come on man, this is all just liberal media hysteria, not the words coming out of the Trump campaign's mouth.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 20 2016 13:15 GMT
#87084
On July 20 2016 21:51 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 16:09 Shingi11 wrote:
Trump could seek new law to purge government of Obama appointees

If he wins the presidency, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump would seek to purge the federal government of officials appointed by Democratic President Barack Obama and could ask Congress to pass legislation making it easier to fire public workers, Trump ally, Chris Christie, said on Tuesday.
Christie, who is governor of New Jersey and leads Trump's White House transition team, said the campaign was drawing up a list of federal government employees to fire if Trump defeats Democratic rival Hillary Clinton in the Nov. 8 presidential election


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-purge-exclusive-idUSKCN10003A

Maybe they will do that after the execute hillary for crimes against the state. I dont understand how we give go from giving romney the third degree for 2 off color but harmless comments to letting letting trump and his team get away with basically being Erdogan. In a little under 4 years at that.


Scary, but I'd like to think that even Congress wouldn't go along with something like this. Ultimately it could be their (the Republicans) demise as well, post-Trump.

Like most things he's said, it isn't founded in reality or practicality. Of course he can still find other ways to do irreparable damage to our country.

I have zero faith in the current GOP to act against their own. They can't even get the debt ceiling raised without massive infighting.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 20 2016 13:19 GMT
#87085
Paul Ryan traded in his spine for the speaker's gavel. By all accounts it was a pretty good career move.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4461 Posts
July 20 2016 13:27 GMT
#87086
On July 20 2016 22:15 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 21:51 On_Slaught wrote:
On July 20 2016 16:09 Shingi11 wrote:
Trump could seek new law to purge government of Obama appointees

If he wins the presidency, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump would seek to purge the federal government of officials appointed by Democratic President Barack Obama and could ask Congress to pass legislation making it easier to fire public workers, Trump ally, Chris Christie, said on Tuesday.
Christie, who is governor of New Jersey and leads Trump's White House transition team, said the campaign was drawing up a list of federal government employees to fire if Trump defeats Democratic rival Hillary Clinton in the Nov. 8 presidential election


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-purge-exclusive-idUSKCN10003A

Maybe they will do that after the execute hillary for crimes against the state. I dont understand how we give go from giving romney the third degree for 2 off color but harmless comments to letting letting trump and his team get away with basically being Erdogan. In a little under 4 years at that.


Scary, but I'd like to think that even Congress wouldn't go along with something like this. Ultimately it could be their (the Republicans) demise as well, post-Trump.

Like most things he's said, it isn't founded in reality or practicality. Of course he can still find other ways to do irreparable damage to our country.

I have zero faith in the current GOP to act against their own. They can't even get the debt ceiling raised without massive infighting.

How dare they
Their number one priority should be to bankrupt the nation
Obamas legacy? Doubling of the debt from 10 Trill to 20 Trill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 20 2016 13:31 GMT
#87087
On July 20 2016 11:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I wonder what the reception to a speech that is rational, comprehensible, well-thought out, not big buzzwords, etc would be. I'd love to give it ago.

I'll let you know when I get high enough in politics ot make one. I'm not even in the low levels of town government yet though, so don't hold your breath.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
July 20 2016 13:33 GMT
#87088
Is there any recourse for the GOP to disavow tea party, and libertarian candidates that previously flew under the republican banner? The rift in the republican party between the moderates and the hard liners is becoming more and more of an issue as time goes on. If the GOP has a way to disengage from the more extreme candidates (state and local gov) and treat them as a 3rd party candidates I feel like they might be able to regain control of the situation and salvage the party. I think a big reason they are getting beaten in some of these state and local contests is because the more extremist candidates still get to put a big R in front of their name, when in reality they are something different, and if the public viewed them as something different the odds of election might change. Just my 2 cents.
- Not to mention the campaign funding assistance the GOP throws at some of these fringe members just because they have an R and the other guy is a D. etc...
I am, therefore I pee
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22699 Posts
July 20 2016 13:37 GMT
#87089
On July 20 2016 22:33 Trainrunnef wrote:
Is there any recourse for the GOP to disavow tea party, and libertarian candidates that previously flew under the republican banner? The rift in the republican party between the moderates and the hard liners is becoming more and more of an issue as time goes on. If the GOP has a way to disengage from the more extreme candidates (state and local gov) and treat them as a 3rd party candidates I feel like they might be able to regain control of the situation and salvage the party. I think a big reason they are getting beaten in some of these state and local contests is because the more extremist candidates still get to put a big R in front of their name, when in reality they are something different, and if the public viewed them as something different the odds of election might change. Just my 2 cents.
- Not to mention the campaign funding assistance the GOP throws at some of these fringe members just because they have an R and the other guy is a D. etc...

I think your underestimating the support of the tea party in their regions. Don't forget that a lot of Tea Party congressmen sniped the seat away from more moderate Republicans during the last elections.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 13:40:33
July 20 2016 13:39 GMT
#87090
deleted.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 20 2016 13:41 GMT
#87091
On July 20 2016 22:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 22:15 Plansix wrote:
On July 20 2016 21:51 On_Slaught wrote:
On July 20 2016 16:09 Shingi11 wrote:
Trump could seek new law to purge government of Obama appointees

If he wins the presidency, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump would seek to purge the federal government of officials appointed by Democratic President Barack Obama and could ask Congress to pass legislation making it easier to fire public workers, Trump ally, Chris Christie, said on Tuesday.
Christie, who is governor of New Jersey and leads Trump's White House transition team, said the campaign was drawing up a list of federal government employees to fire if Trump defeats Democratic rival Hillary Clinton in the Nov. 8 presidential election


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-purge-exclusive-idUSKCN10003A

Maybe they will do that after the execute hillary for crimes against the state. I dont understand how we give go from giving romney the third degree for 2 off color but harmless comments to letting letting trump and his team get away with basically being Erdogan. In a little under 4 years at that.


Scary, but I'd like to think that even Congress wouldn't go along with something like this. Ultimately it could be their (the Republicans) demise as well, post-Trump.

Like most things he's said, it isn't founded in reality or practicality. Of course he can still find other ways to do irreparable damage to our country.

I have zero faith in the current GOP to act against their own. They can't even get the debt ceiling raised without massive infighting.

How dare they
Their number one priority should be to bankrupt the nation
Obamas legacy? Doubling of the debt from 10 Trill to 20 Trill.


Man, I forgot that you jump into any thread that uses the word debt in relation any government.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9256 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 13:44:44
July 20 2016 13:44 GMT
#87092
On July 20 2016 16:32 acker wrote:
Did they actually talk about jobs today? I missed the stream.

They mostly talked about Clinton. "We will put coal miners and oil drillers back to work" is pretty much the only specific job-related thing they said in the hour I watched.
Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
July 20 2016 13:45 GMT
#87093
On July 20 2016 22:37 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 22:33 Trainrunnef wrote:
Is there any recourse for the GOP to disavow tea party, and libertarian candidates that previously flew under the republican banner? The rift in the republican party between the moderates and the hard liners is becoming more and more of an issue as time goes on. If the GOP has a way to disengage from the more extreme candidates (state and local gov) and treat them as a 3rd party candidates I feel like they might be able to regain control of the situation and salvage the party. I think a big reason they are getting beaten in some of these state and local contests is because the more extremist candidates still get to put a big R in front of their name, when in reality they are something different, and if the public viewed them as something different the odds of election might change. Just my 2 cents.
- Not to mention the campaign funding assistance the GOP throws at some of these fringe members just because they have an R and the other guy is a D. etc...

I think your underestimating the support of the tea party in their regions. Don't forget that a lot of Tea Party congressmen sniped the seat away from more moderate Republicans during the last elections.


Thats my point though. I feel that alot of the support comes from the fact that they are affiliated with the republican party, and a moderate republican will likely have an easier time voting for another republican rather than someone who is specifically and solely tea party. I dont doubt that they have significant support in some parts of the county, but the question is how much of that can be attributed to their affiliation. I think its a question the GOP really needs to ask itself because I think its losing its identity and by allowing the Tea Partiers membership they are complicit in that loss. Im not familiar enough with the process of campaign registration to know how someone becomes a candidate and if the party has any power to accept or deny it. I assume not.
I am, therefore I pee
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19399 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 13:56:13
July 20 2016 13:56 GMT
#87094
On July 20 2016 22:44 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 16:32 acker wrote:
Did they actually talk about jobs today? I missed the stream.

They mostly talked about Clinton. "We will put coal miners and oil drillers back to work" is pretty much the only specific job-related thing they said in the hour I watched.

For WV it's a major issue. Even if you care for the environment, killing coal puts a whole state out of business. Those workers don't have skills to perform other jobs and coal drives the WV economy. The transition has to be done better then, "We are saving earth, sorry about your jobs and lively hood".
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 20 2016 13:59 GMT
#87095
Agree that better transition plans are needed, especially for large regions with less diversified economies. from what i've heard, the death of coal has as much or more to do with improvements in natural gas production and pricing as with environmental regulation.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 20 2016 14:00 GMT
#87096
On July 20 2016 22:45 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 22:37 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 20 2016 22:33 Trainrunnef wrote:
Is there any recourse for the GOP to disavow tea party, and libertarian candidates that previously flew under the republican banner? The rift in the republican party between the moderates and the hard liners is becoming more and more of an issue as time goes on. If the GOP has a way to disengage from the more extreme candidates (state and local gov) and treat them as a 3rd party candidates I feel like they might be able to regain control of the situation and salvage the party. I think a big reason they are getting beaten in some of these state and local contests is because the more extremist candidates still get to put a big R in front of their name, when in reality they are something different, and if the public viewed them as something different the odds of election might change. Just my 2 cents.
- Not to mention the campaign funding assistance the GOP throws at some of these fringe members just because they have an R and the other guy is a D. etc...

I think your underestimating the support of the tea party in their regions. Don't forget that a lot of Tea Party congressmen sniped the seat away from more moderate Republicans during the last elections.


Thats my point though. I feel that alot of the support comes from the fact that they are affiliated with the republican party, and a moderate republican will likely have an easier time voting for another republican rather than someone who is specifically and solely tea party. I dont doubt that they have significant support in some parts of the county, but the question is how much of that can be attributed to their affiliation. I think its a question the GOP really needs to ask itself because I think its losing its identity and by allowing the Tea Partiers membership they are complicit in that loss. Im not familiar enough with the process of campaign registration to know how someone becomes a candidate and if the party has any power to accept or deny it. I assume not.

They used to. But in an effort to become more open to the public, the parties have let anyone run on their ticket. Which you have seen this election in both parties and the issues that come with that. I would not be surprised if there is a silent push within the GOP to separate themselves from the tea party in general. Their hold on congress has been large useless to them and the party due to the fact that the “freedom caucus” has stalled almost everything. And freeing themselves from the tea party would allow them to work with centrist democrats again.

Maybe someday we can get back to the era when the House and Senate were at war all the time and the president play referee. The system works much better with that dynamic.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22699 Posts
July 20 2016 14:01 GMT
#87097
On July 20 2016 22:56 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 22:44 Dan HH wrote:
On July 20 2016 16:32 acker wrote:
Did they actually talk about jobs today? I missed the stream.

They mostly talked about Clinton. "We will put coal miners and oil drillers back to work" is pretty much the only specific job-related thing they said in the hour I watched.

For WV it's a major issue. Even if you care for the environment, killing coal puts a whole state out of business. Those workers don't have skills to perform other jobs and coal drives the WV economy. The transition has to be done better then, "We are saving earth, sorry about your jobs and lively hood".

Do we blame politicians in Washington for not halting the reduction of coal use/mining or do we blame the state for not working to diversify their economy?

Not to say Washington should just ignore the concerns of the states but the downsides of coal have been known for a while. Coal regions across the world have been devastated when mines closed for decades, this isn't something new and WV knew its day would come.
But politicians are really good at shoving problems forward and hoping the next guy has to deal with it and not them.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 20 2016 14:02 GMT
#87098
On July 20 2016 22:56 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2016 22:44 Dan HH wrote:
On July 20 2016 16:32 acker wrote:
Did they actually talk about jobs today? I missed the stream.

They mostly talked about Clinton. "We will put coal miners and oil drillers back to work" is pretty much the only specific job-related thing they said in the hour I watched.

For WV it's a major issue. Even if you care for the environment, killing coal puts a whole state out of business. Those workers don't have skills to perform other jobs and coal drives the WV economy. The transition has to be done better then, "We are saving earth, sorry about your jobs and lively hood".

Coal is also not that desirable as an energy source with natural gas on the rise. And since WV has been one of the poorest states in the country even at the height of coal, I can’t help but think that it won’t help anyone there.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 20 2016 14:06 GMT
#87099
It was badly phrased, but the GOP would rather Hillary is dumb and/or evil enough to really say out loud she wants to just screw over WV as opposed to, y'know, helping them stand up an economy that works in the 21st century.
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 14:11:42
July 20 2016 14:10 GMT
#87100
Just to shift the narrative abit because I'd like to see what people have to say.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/19/us-air-strike-in-syria-kills-up-to-85-civilians-mistaken-for-isi/

Im going to throw in a bit of hyperbole for good measure..


Why doesn't every single American condemn this attack? Where was the drone pilot radicalized? Which websites did he go to? Who was his pastor? Is America truly a religion of peace?

Oh right sorry, just war things. Shit happens right ? They were harbouring terrorists anyway.
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