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On June 09 2016 06:17 WhiteDog wrote:

Just look at the first page of the document you linked and tell me it's not propaganda lol.


You said it better than I could.

On June 09 2016 06:22 Plansix wrote:
Economic Policy Institute is not particularly known for being partisan

On June 09 2016 06:17 WhiteDog wrote:

Just look at the first page of the document you linked and tell me it's not propaganda lol.

On June 09 2016 04:56 SK.Testie wrote:
You can't have a chance at a happy life in Mexico? Sounds like those industrious workers should stay there and work on a way to Make Mexico Great Again.

On June 09 2016 05:54 pmh wrote:
That's an interesting story. I have also been puzzled by how effective walls have been through out history.
Many settlements in the middle ages had walls around them,some of which you can still see and visit today.
And then there is off course the castle, which is basicly a house with a big wall around it.
Maybe its the high ground advantage when standing on the wall and fighting people trying to climb it with ladders and siege towers,It also shiels from incoming projectiles a bit.There are probably a lot of things to it but it must have been at least somewhat succesfull as wall building is so wide spread.

On June 09 2016 06:26 WhiteDog wrote:

We've been over this discussion already : the economic effect of migration is not homogeneous. It's very different on the scale of income. There is already a lot to say about simply comparing the contribution to the state budget of migrants vs non migrants and believing that it is sufficient to argue anything : what you would actually need to do is prove that the overall gov. spending / taxation per capita is similar or better in the actual situation vs an hypothetical situation without migrants.

In a consequential shift to how House Speaker Paul Ryan hoped to proceed with House business, Republican leadership announced Wednesday it will limit the consideration of amendments, which Democrats had been using to inflict political chaos.

While the move to a so-called "structured rule" reeks of insidery wonky parliamentary maneuvering, it is a significant departure from how Ryan had promised to run the House. It is also implicitly a concession that Democratic efforts to make life miserable for House Republicans by introducing politically awkward amendments had been effective. The most prominent of those amendments -- one that preserved protections for LGBT Americans -- derailed a major energy appropriations bill last month.

With the change, members will not be able to freely introduce amendments without going through the House Rules Committee, a move that could limit the amendments considered on legislation. Any amendments will be approved through the House Rules committee prior to a vote hitting the floor, an attempt to stop controversial amendments from sinking the must-pass spending bills.

Any member can still submit amendments, but the Rules Committee will have the final say.

The shift signifies Ryan's reckoning with reality. When he took the Speaker's gavel, the former Budget Committee chairman pledged he was committed to opening up the legislative process even when that meant forcing members to take tough votes. But free-wheeling and politically charged amendments have made it a tough promise for Ryan to keep. A source in a Republican conference meeting told TPM that it became clear "Democrats will continue to offer contentious amendments, but then not support bills on final passage."

In May, the House of Representatives fought bitterly over an amendment that banned government contractors from discriminating against LGBT employees. At first, the amendment was introduced on the floor and failed to pass after some Republicans flipped their votes. A week later the LGBT amendment passed, but it sunk the underlying energy and water appropriations bill.

Ryan accused Democrats of sabotaging the process and promised he would meet with his conference when members returned from recess to decide how he would move forward.

“The Democrats were not looking to advance an issue," he said at the time. "They were looking to sabotage the appropriations process. ... They are trying to stop the appropriations process in its tracks."

Wednesday it was announced that there would be structured rules for the rest of the year's appropriations process, which stoked anxieties within conservative ranks and upset Democrats. Ryan's call for a more open process had been one of the key reasons conservatives supported his rise to be speaker in the first place. It had been a convincing argument for the House Freedom Caucus, who criticized Boehner as not being receptive enough to them.

But, the clock is ticking. Congress must approve the spending bills by Sept. 30 to avert a government shutdown.

On June 09 2016 07:11 WhiteDog wrote:

I'm amazed at this comment.



http://www.s4.brown.edu/cen2000/SchoolPop/SPReport/SPDownload.pdf

This is exaggerated to you ?

On June 09 2016 05:04 kwizach wrote:

Immigrants (both legal and illegal) overall have a net positive impact on government finances. Also, Lord Tolkien is right on the impact of a wall.

On June 09 2016 07:30 oBlade wrote:

These links don't seem to isolate illegal immigration, which it looks like he was talking about.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The names of CIA personnel could have been compromised not only by hackers who may have penetrated Hillary Clinton's private computer server or the State Department system, but also by the release itself of tens of thousands of her emails, security experts say.

Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, turned over to the State Department 55,000 emails from her private server that were sent or received when she was secretary of state. Some contained information that has since been deemed classified, and those were redacted for public release with notations for the reason of the censorship.

At least 47 of the emails contain the notation "B3 CIA PERS/ORG," which indicates the material referred to CIA personnel or matters related to the agency. And because both Clinton's server and the State Department systems were vulnerable to hacking, the perpetrators could have those original emails, and now the publicly released, redacted versions showing exactly which sections refer to CIA personnel.

"Start with the entirely plausible view that foreign intelligence services discovered and rifled Hillary Clinton's server," said Stewart Baker, a Washington lawyer who spent more than three years as an assistant secretary of the Homeland Security Department and is former legal counsel for the National Security Agency.

If so, those infiltrators would have copies of all her emails with the names not flagged as being linked to the agency.

In the process of publicly releasing the emails, however, classification experts seem to have inadvertently provided a key to anyone who has the originals. By redacting names associated with the CIA and using the "B3 CIA PERS/ORG" exemption as the reason, "Presto — the CIA names just fall off the page," Baker said.

The CIA declined to comment.

On June 09 2016 07:33 kwizach wrote:

Point 9 of the EPI factsheet (first link).

Under our baseline assumptions, the average fiscal impact (net present value) of an immigrant with less than a high school education is -$13,000, and that for an immigrant with more than a high school education is +$198,000.